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Ozone Generator
#5419110 - 03/19/06 03:23 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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http://www.mold-kill.com/xtpower.html
I have been reading on this site about sterilizing a whole room using high ozone shock treatments. It says to take all living beings out of the room while preforming this shock.
Q: Would a high ozone shock be detrimental to mycelium? If so, to what degree of exposure?
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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: defcheck]
#5419437 - 03/19/06 05:10 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think it would affect mycelium, as far as I know it is only hazardous to animals. I was exposed to ozone once (very briefly) and it did some nasty damage to my lungs.
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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: kit_kat]
#5421057 - 03/20/06 01:27 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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O3 aka Ozone in high concentrations might be damaging to mycellium if it is not protected by something like a casing layer the 3rd oxygen molecule is preaty unstable and likes to bond with what ever it can. I'm not sure though I'm not a chemist or an expert on Ozone just what I remeber from chem classes
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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: blueferret]
#5423112 - 03/20/06 08:04 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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It will kill it.
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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: poboy]
#5426432 - 03/21/06 05:45 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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The pictures on that site are frightening. All that mold everywhere!!!!!!!!!
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I just bought an XT-6000. I'm going to use it on my entire house, and I'll run it continuosly in my grow room for 24 hours before I place my trays in the martha closets. I'll post contamination results.
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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: defcheck]
#5578681 - 05/01/06 08:14 PM (18 years, 22 days ago) |
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Ozone is hazardous to organic material. It will eat at your lungs and throat in high enough concentrations. I'm sure it would kill mycelium in large enough exposure too.
You say you are running this huge ozone generator to fill your entire home with ozone? Do you have any children or pets? What the hell are you thinking?
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Yeah ozone is pretty toxic, it will kill anything organic assuming the concentration is high enough, at very low concentrations it is generally ok (low low low concentrations) that XT model is waay to powerful, you're going to fuck up your lungs. You're best using a UV ozone generator as they don't put out much ozone.
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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: Elemicin]
#5597485 - 05/06/06 11:06 AM (18 years, 17 days ago) |
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It could work to kill bactera in the grow room before actually fruiting in there, but give the ozone a few hours after tretment to dissipate before using the room.
You wouldn't want to levae a big ozone generator like that running all the time, unless you wanted to neutralize odors from a different type of grow room, and hooked up a blower and ducting to move the ozone treated exaust from the room outside. If the other end of the unit looks the same as the fron end in the picture then you could probably hook it up "inline" into some ducting.
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How about the Ionic Breeze? It converts ozone to oxygen and kills anything that goes thru it.
Edit: I guess its a bad idea. Just read on the mold-kill website with problems with ionizinizers.
Edited by DisGqBoi (05/06/06 12:00 PM)
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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: DisGqBoi]
#5598464 - 05/06/06 06:15 PM (18 years, 17 days ago) |
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Man I dont like the idea of pumping ozone into your house! I'm into marine aquariums and ozone is one of the possible additions you can add to your tank. You have to make sure the outflow is ducted outside. Its pretty dangerous stuff. It has a sweet pungent odor. Notice on that video it says its place in an "unoccupied room". I fail to see how your family is more at risk from mould and mildew than residual ozone.
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At least one death has been attributed to application of ozone through insufflation in the U.S. "Air cleaners" which produce "activated oxygen", i.e., ozone, are often sold in the U.S. nonetheless.
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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: Feelers]
#5609916 - 05/09/06 07:09 PM (18 years, 14 days ago) |
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Ozone breaks apart quickly when exposed to normal household conditions. I have an ozone generator in my grow room and have never had a contamination since its purchase. I only let it run in short increments when I'm not present. The smell it leaves behind is clean and fresh like the air after a lightningstorm. In addition to being an ozone generator, the unit also contains a HEPA filter, UV light, and Ion generator. I love the damn thing, but to each his own.
Atleast one death has been attributed to the drug Caffeine. Coffee is often sold in the U.S. nonetheless
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ozone has a half life of roughly 30 mins - very reactive and very unstable. It will not kill spores but it will react with any moisture and things that contain moisture, such as your lungs and mycelia. it will bond with water to form h202 which is ok in small amounts but not so good in big amounts. you would probably be better off spending the dough on a vacuum cleaner.
by the way the death from ozone thing is about as likely as a death from a twinkie - it may happen but...
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where did you find such a sweet little item? Would you like to drop a brand name?
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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: Roker]
#5617843 - 05/11/06 04:01 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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Not being able to access how that ozone death occured I cant say for sure, but I imagine a person perhaps fell asleep next to one or something. Which could be a real possibility for someone who didnt know about how it worked.
You are creating a temporary toxic gas in a room for a short peroid of time, and I can definately see that perhaps a pet or another person could be exposed to it unwittingly. http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/appliances/ionizing-air-cleaners-505/overview.htm
Add that to the fact that they hardly work too.
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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: Feelers]
#5618180 - 05/11/06 05:18 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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we use them at work. primarily for odor control.it destroys all living organic material. first signs of exposure to humans are numb throat followed up by a nose bleed. to much exposure can kill you. although if you get in a room with one. you will want to get out in a hurry. because of the smell
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The product I'm talking about is a Surround Air air purifying system. It's not a crazy hazardous industrial ozone generator, but it does have an ozone generating feature you can turn on and off. Not enough to do any noticable damage besides freshening the air. Still, I only run it when I'm not present.
http://www.surroundair.com/multi-tech-2.htm
Retail $200ish, but I scored one on Ebay for $40. new
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ozone generators are not very practicle for mushroom growth. think about it. when are you going to use it? before you start the grow operation would be the only time. spores and contaminates can still enter the room after the ozone treatment is done. even mold restoration companys don't normally use this. because it will not kill the spores inside pourous surfaces such as wood drywall.
use an air filtration device. and wipe down surfaces with disenfectants.
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found my little sheet on it. when ozone gas comes in contact with mouisture it forms hydrogen peroxide. so ur basicly just mildy bleaching the air because all air has mouisture in it. when dealing with contamintes don't be afraid to wipe down the walls with a disenfectant as well as the floor and other hard surfaces
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no no,
ozone hsa been shown (at high concentrations) to kill both bacteria and mold spores.
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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: Tweexican]
#5725851 - 06/08/06 06:08 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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High ozone concentrations are detrimental to all living things plants and mushrooms included.
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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: hyphae]
#5731299 - 06/09/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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So lets say you have a basement that needs to be turned into "we can grow in this place again" area.
(REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYY BAD Trichoderma outbreak)
After each grow, take an hour and do a high ozone concentration flood of the air in the room.
Of all people Hyphae, I'd figure you'd try to see the pros versus the cons with this thing.
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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: Tweexican]
#5732316 - 06/09/06 09:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've had plenty of experience with over doing ozone which cost me plenty. IME if trich spore loads are high you'll want to do a basic cleaning (floors , walls, surfaces ) then run a HEPA 24/7. After that you'll want to construct a smaller clean room out of plastic sheeting and run a HEPA 24/7 in there as well, this will almost guarantee you a clean room. Ozone flooding of your basement will I'm sure lower spore loads but can be very dangerous and a "cooldown" period will have to follow or your health will be directly affected. Now I suggest finding the reasons behind your trich outbreak so you will have control over your situation once and for all instead of just addressing the symptom. GL bro
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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: hyphae]
#5732481 - 06/09/06 10:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have 2 hepas running 24/7. (Both holmes units. Yeah, i know they're not top of the line but they are plenty available at Goodwill and you can still buy filters for em at Wally World)
I have tried using a high concentration bleach solution as well as numerous cans of lysol to clean out my basement.
I have a 24x48 inch vertical flowhood with a plexiglass cover in which i do all of my g2g, and agar work in. I never have problems with these proceedures. My Spawn jar contamination rate is well below 10%.
When it comes to spawn running however, I encounter almost immediate trich/green mold outbreaks. All spawning mediums are pasteurized at 175 degree for 2 hours, let to cool and then spawned within 5 hours.
I have had many successful grows using this method but lately I have been unable to proficiently end the spawn run without mold taking foot.
My technique is as it has always been (if anything improved). My guess is that I have introduced a number of green mold spores into my basement and must clean them out of the air.
Hyphae, i know you can lend some advice other than sheeting up my basement.
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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: Tweexican]
#5733166 - 06/10/06 03:10 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Tweexican, what would be wrong with sheeting up your basement?
I've just started to sheet a smaller room myself.
6miL sheeting @ Wal-Mart(similar rolls are 2/3/4 times the price at hardware stores)
With the sheeting up I'll be able to scrub it from top to bottom(with a few extra $'s you can really make it sturdy; making scrubbing it with some "elbow greese" less of a problem-for tears)and attack every square inch of it with Oust.
I'm using it as a still air room for now, but with a larger space, say a basement? One could have their entire workspace, chambers and facilities all readily accessible and easily cleaned for further use.
It's not 100% fullproof of course, but if you'd place a room with a room you're eliminating more chances of the source contaminating.
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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: toole]
#5733223 - 06/10/06 04:04 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why not scrub your basement down really good and then paint it with anti-fungal paint?
That should seal everything up pretty well with a surface that mold can't grow on or through. If you have bare concrete and a bare wood ceiling, then I don't think you'll ever be able to get it clean enough.
Ozone works pretty well to eliminate smells, but I wouldn't count on it to do much more. For one thing it's expensive to generate. If you have O3 concentrations high enough to kill everything in the room, it's dangerous and will probably cause other problems like making the plastic insulation on your wiring become brittle, etc.. It's just not worth it.
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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: fastfred]
#5733229 - 06/10/06 04:10 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah in using that anti-fungal paint I read you have to apply it on surfaces with absolutely no dirt.
Is it an unfinished basement?
And what is added to the paint mixture to make it 'anti-fungal' ?
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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: toole]
#5733455 - 06/10/06 08:13 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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toole said: Yeah in using that anti-fungal paint I read you have to apply it on surfaces with absolutely no dirt.
Is it an unfinished basement?
And what is added to the paint mixture to make it 'anti-fungal' ?
I have used this in the past in basements it's called whitewash and it does have anti-fungal properties but nowdays I use only high gloss white as it wipes down and cleans beautifully and you can spot molds much easier. Anyway heres some info on Whitewash is a type of inexpensive paint made from slaked lime (Calcium hydroxide) and chalk (whiting). Other additives have historically included water glass, glue, salt, soap, milk and flour. Whitewash cures through a reaction with carbon dioxide in the atmosphere to form calcite.
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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: hyphae]
#5733461 - 06/10/06 08:15 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Again,
what is added to generate these anti-fungal properties?
And I'll keep that in my hyp-
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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: toole]
#5733526 - 06/10/06 08:45 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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The properties of calcite are not conducive to fungal growth. What is added is already posted.
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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: hyphae]
#5733577 - 06/10/06 09:13 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ah I didn't know that was the ingrediant.
Thanks.
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#5733775 - 06/10/06 10:43 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I cultivate in a cement basement room. It was prone to being a tiny bit damp & musty. To cure that I used a big electric heater to heat the room to about 120F & ran it for several days. Once I was sure the walls, floor & ceiling was totally dry.
I painted the walls & floor with a cement sealer. Once that was dry, I gave the sheet rock ceiling, cement walls & floor two coats of white high gloss marine enamel paint.
That "cured" the structural mold issues.
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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: Tippinthru]
#5734747 - 06/10/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Good advice Tippinthru. That's just what I would suggest/suggested. The only thing I would add is to use anti-fungal paint.
Hyphae, I wasn't talking about whitewash, although it's good to know that it has anti-fungal properties. The historical mix (1899) for whitewash was: one barrel lime, one pound bluing, one pound potash, ten pounds Russian tallow (animal fat or lard)
Toole, think hard and try to guess what gives paint anti-fungal qualities...
...Yep it's fungicide.
You don't see paint advertised as anti-fungal all that often. Perhaps only specialty stores advertise it as such. The easy thing to do is to simply have them mix your fungicide of choice into the paint. You can get this done at walmart or anywhere that they mix paint for people. YMMV with this approach, but you can target the type of mold you want to prevent. I recommend going with a professional anti-fungal paint.
"There is a specially formulated high viscosity encapsulant paint called Fosters 40-20 that is highly effective in killing the existing mold and is highly resistant to mold regrowth or grow-through. Fosters 40-20 is available through Bullseye Environmental (800-692-8557)."
This encapsulates surfaces, so it can cause problems with not letting wood breathe, etc.. Here are some other companies and brands of anti-fungal paint...
Fosters 40-20, EnviroCare, PCG, Aegis, NovaBioshield, Forticel Forticel = www.4pcg.com MicrobeGuard = www.microbeguardinc.com
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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: fastfred]
#5742624 - 06/12/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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that paint is expensive. you can best apply with an airless paint sprayer though. do you have concrete block walls? and is it sealed for water. because if it is not you might have water coming threw the walls. creating a food source for mold. no matter what you do or how much disinfectant you spray you will not kill the mold because it has a water source. fosters 40-20 will not seal ur basment for water. you need a basement sealer. any hardware store.
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Quote:
preschooler said: that paint is expensive. you can best apply with an airless paint sprayer though. do you have concrete block walls? and is it sealed for water. because if it is not you might have water coming threw the walls. creating a food source for mold. no matter what you do or how much disinfectant you spray you will not kill the mold because it has a water source. fosters 40-20 will not seal ur basment for water. you need a basement sealer. any hardware store.
No doubt that would be step number one. Also anyone who owns a home and has a basement better have a dehumidifier going 24/7 during the summer or they have no business owning a home.
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