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Offlinehyphae
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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: Tweexican]
    #5725851 - 06/08/06 06:08 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

High ozone concentrations are detrimental to all living things plants and mushrooms included.


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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: hyphae]
    #5731299 - 06/09/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

So lets say you have a basement that needs to be turned into "we can grow in this place again" area.

(REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYY BAD Trichoderma outbreak)

After each grow, take an hour and do a high ozone concentration flood of the air in the room.

Of all people Hyphae, I'd figure you'd try to see the pros versus the cons with this thing.


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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: Tweexican]
    #5732316 - 06/09/06 09:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I've had plenty of experience with over doing ozone which cost me plenty. IME if trich spore loads are high you'll want to do a basic cleaning (floors , walls, surfaces :wink: ) then run a HEPA 24/7. After that you'll want to construct a smaller clean room out of plastic sheeting and run a HEPA 24/7 in there as well, this will almost guarantee you a clean room. Ozone flooding of your basement will I'm sure lower spore loads but can be very dangerous and a "cooldown" period will have to follow or your health will be directly affected. Now I suggest finding the reasons behind your trich outbreak so you will have control over your situation once and for all instead of just addressing the symptom. GL bro


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Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE

"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"

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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: hyphae]
    #5732481 - 06/09/06 10:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I have 2 hepas running 24/7. (Both holmes units. Yeah, i know they're not top of the line but they are plenty available at Goodwill and you can still buy filters for em at Wally World)

I have tried using a high concentration bleach solution as well as numerous cans of lysol to clean out my basement.

I have a 24x48 inch vertical flowhood with a plexiglass cover in which i do all of my g2g, and agar work in. I never have problems with these proceedures. My Spawn jar contamination rate is well below 10%.

When it comes to spawn running however, I encounter almost immediate trich/green mold outbreaks. All spawning mediums are pasteurized at 175 degree for 2 hours, let to cool and then spawned within 5 hours.

I have had many successful grows using this method but lately I have been unable to proficiently end the spawn run without mold taking foot.

My technique is as it has always been (if anything improved). My guess is that I have introduced a number of green mold spores into my basement and must clean them out of the air.

Hyphae, i know you can lend some advice other than sheeting up my basement.


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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: Tweexican]
    #5733166 - 06/10/06 03:10 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Tweexican, what would be wrong with sheeting up your basement?

I've just started to sheet a smaller room myself.

6miL sheeting @ Wal-Mart(similar rolls are 2/3/4 times the price at hardware stores)

With the sheeting up I'll be able to scrub it from top to bottom(with a few extra $'s you can really make it sturdy; making scrubbing it with some "elbow greese" less of a problem-for tears)and attack every square inch of it with Oust.

I'm using it as a still air room for now, but with a larger space, say a basement? One could have their entire workspace, chambers and facilities all readily accessible and easily cleaned for further use.

It's not 100% fullproof of course, but if you'd place a room with a room you're eliminating more chances of the source contaminating.


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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: toole]
    #5733223 - 06/10/06 04:04 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Why not scrub your basement down really good and then paint it with anti-fungal paint?

That should seal everything up pretty well with a surface that mold can't grow on or through. If you have bare concrete and a bare wood ceiling, then I don't think you'll ever be able to get it clean enough.

Ozone works pretty well to eliminate smells, but I wouldn't count on it to do much more. For one thing it's expensive to generate. If you have O3 concentrations high enough to kill everything in the room, it's dangerous and will probably cause other problems like making the plastic insulation on your wiring become brittle, etc.. It's just not worth it.


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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: fastfred]
    #5733229 - 06/10/06 04:10 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah in using that anti-fungal paint I read you have to apply it on surfaces with absolutely no dirt.

Is it an unfinished basement?

And what is added to the paint mixture to make it 'anti-fungal' ?


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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: toole]
    #5733455 - 06/10/06 08:13 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

toole said:
Yeah in using that anti-fungal paint I read you have to apply it on surfaces with absolutely no dirt.

Is it an unfinished basement?

And what is added to the paint mixture to make it 'anti-fungal' ?



I have used this in the past in basements it's called whitewash and it does have anti-fungal properties but nowdays I use only high gloss white as it wipes down and cleans beautifully and you can spot molds much easier. Anyway heres some info on
Whitewash is a type of inexpensive paint made from slaked lime (Calcium hydroxide) and chalk (whiting). Other additives have historically included water glass, glue, salt, soap, milk and flour. Whitewash cures through a reaction with carbon dioxide in the atmosphere to form calcite.


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Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal :wink:
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE

"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"

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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: hyphae]
    #5733461 - 06/10/06 08:15 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Again,

what is added to generate these anti-fungal properties?

And I'll keep that in my hyp-


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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: toole]
    #5733526 - 06/10/06 08:45 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The properties of calcite are not conducive to fungal growth. What is added is already posted.


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Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal :wink:
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE

"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"

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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: hyphae]
    #5733577 - 06/10/06 09:13 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Ah I didn't know that was the ingrediant.

Thanks.


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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: hyphae] * 1
    #5733775 - 06/10/06 10:43 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I cultivate in a cement basement room. It was prone to being a tiny bit damp & musty. To cure that I used a big electric heater to heat the room to about 120F & ran it for several days. Once I was sure the walls, floor & ceiling was totally dry.

I painted the walls & floor with a cement sealer. Once that was dry, I gave the sheet rock ceiling, cement walls & floor two coats of white high gloss marine enamel paint.

That "cured" the structural mold issues. :grin:


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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: Tippinthru]
    #5734747 - 06/10/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Good advice Tippinthru. That's just what I would suggest/suggested. The only thing I would add is to use anti-fungal paint.

Hyphae, I wasn't talking about whitewash, although it's good to know that it has anti-fungal properties.
The historical mix (1899) for whitewash was:
one barrel lime, one pound bluing, one pound potash, ten pounds Russian tallow (animal fat or lard)

Toole, think hard and try to guess what gives paint anti-fungal qualities...


...Yep it's fungicide.

You don't see paint advertised as anti-fungal all that often. Perhaps only specialty stores advertise it as such. The easy thing to do is to simply have them mix your fungicide of choice into the paint. You can get this done at walmart or anywhere that they mix paint for people. YMMV with this approach, but you can target the type of mold you want to prevent. I recommend going with a professional anti-fungal paint.

"There is a specially formulated high viscosity encapsulant paint called Fosters 40-20 that is highly effective in killing the existing mold and is highly resistant to mold regrowth or grow-through. Fosters 40-20 is available through Bullseye Environmental (800-692-8557)."

This encapsulates surfaces, so it can cause problems with not letting wood breathe, etc.. Here are some other companies and brands of anti-fungal paint...

Fosters 40-20, EnviroCare, PCG, Aegis, NovaBioshield, Forticel
Forticel = www.4pcg.com
MicrobeGuard = www.microbeguardinc.com


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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: fastfred]
    #5742624 - 06/12/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

that paint is expensive. you can best apply with an airless paint sprayer though. do you have concrete block walls? and is it sealed for water. because if it is not you might have water coming threw the walls. creating a food source for mold. no matter what you do or how much disinfectant you spray you will not kill the mold because it has a water source. fosters 40-20 will not seal ur basment for water. you need a basement sealer. any hardware store.

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Re: Ozone Generator [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #5743069 - 06/12/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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that paint is expensive. you can best apply with an airless paint sprayer though. do you have concrete block walls? and is it sealed for water. because if it is not you might have water coming threw the walls. creating a food source for mold. no matter what you do or how much disinfectant you spray you will not kill the mold because it has a water source. fosters 40-20 will not seal ur basment for water. you need a basement sealer. any hardware store.



No doubt that would be step number one. Also anyone who owns a home and has a basement better have a dehumidifier going 24/7 during the summer or they have no business owning a home.


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