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InvisibleUna
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A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists"
    #5418026 - 03/19/06 06:29 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

By Dan
March 1st 2006
Updated March 17th 2006

The Boogieman And You

To: "The Official Conspiracy Theory Supporters"
(Those of you who don't dare question the official story of 911. Yes you.)

From: The 911 Truth Movement
("Officials Killers Of Your Boogieman.")

You are a danger to America and you are preventing the victims families from learning what happened to their loved ones on September 11th. Yes you!

Why? Because you are a conspiracy theorist aiding and abetting the real criminals out of complete stupidity and lack of nuts. I can not say lack of knowledge because it is obvious you do not have the nuts to look at the evidence therefore the slang-word "nuts" has been used appropriately.

If you can not back up a conspiracy theory with irrefutable evidence then it remains a conspiracy theory until you can produce such evidence. Official theories hold no more weight then any other theories until they are backed up with evidence. The fact that you lack the balls to admit it changes nothing.

You were told things that were blatant lies backed up by no hard evidence and you do not care enough about your country to question your daddy government. Furthermore you do not care enough about the victims families to take 5 minutes to look at what they are complaining about. As far as your concerned the show was over after the towers blew up. In your ignorant mind the show is over and everything is back to normal. You have probably even complained that you have seen the collapse of those towers to many times. You don?t realize that this is done to keep you sleeping with your light on. To keep you frightened of the boogieman. They have even created a color code that is suppose to let you know how close the boogieman is. Indeed, they tell you how scared your suppose to be and you fucking eat it up like a 6 year old school girl. Yes you!

Your more concerned about being a part of the majority. You can not stand on your own two feet and trust your own rational thinking. Hilariously you will never be able to admit that you do not trust your own judgment because that might make you look like the lap dog that you are. Your afraid of what you might find if you open your eyes. Your completely incapable of considering that your government might not be telling you the truth. Yes You!

You happily accept the official story. You accept it because you have been shamed into believing it is the patriotic thing to do. It is the governments theory and it is backed up by the government under the auspices of ?The official Story? and you don?t give a damn that there is not a stitch of evidence to support it. Yes you!

The back of your mind has been telling you that something is strange about the whole 911 attack however you keep it suppressed in fear of being labeled a conspiracy theorist foolishly not realizing that the official story is the true conspiracy theory. You can not connect the dots that the official story is completely without evidence which makes it a conspiracy theory. Yes you!

You believe that a conspiracy theorist is someone that does not agree with the majority or the government. Your such a brainwashed follower that you don't realize that a conspiracy is nothing more then two or more people scheming or planning an event. While theory can be defined as: "Speculation" or "Without fact". Yes you!

Your simple mind can not compute this otherwise easily recognizable puzzle so we feel obliged to state the obvious. Bush administration is the conspiracy and the official story without a single proven fact is the theory. Now let's add these two ingredients into the common sense machine and see what it spits out.
"Governments official story + 0 facts = Conspiracy Theory." So you are a supporter of the "Conspiracy Theory".

The 911 truth movement is not interested in any of your ridiculous conspiracy theories that have not produced a single fact after 5 years.

When the truth does comes out you will be one of the sheep telling everyone that you knew it all the time. You will because the lack of backbone you have shown so far indicates that you won?t be able to stomach yourself when you see how easy this case is to crack and how only a complete moron can not understand that they have been lied to after being shown the evidence. Yes You!

You will never again be able to walk with your head up nor will you ever be able to shake the handle of a closed minded follower awaiting their masters orders on how they should think. Your not going to want others to know that you helped to put this country in the most serious danger in its history. Yes You!

You talk about how you would fight and die for your country but in reality you lack any sack whatsoever. This is evident in the way you cower to a make believe boogieman. You wave the American flag while the country is being stolen right out from under your nose by the real boogiemen. Your to smart and your to wise to believe that this could happen in America. You believe that someone in shining armor would come and save your country if this were true. Then you could go out and buy a yellow lapel ribbon or hang your flag to show everyone that you care about your country. Yes you!

Your fantasy of America being perfect can not be challenged so you don?t need to waste your time looking at any evidence that makes a mockery of the official story. You believe sitting on your torn couch half smashed and watching a FOX news report about soldiers being killed for reasons of your presidents high treasonous acts and making statements such as ?Fuck Iraq? christens you a patriot even though you have never even considered wearing the uniform for any of the United States armed forces. Yes you!

You are in a word pathetic. You are in a phrase, ?a pathetic liability to the future of this country?. You are in my book expendable. Yes You!

If you made it this far through the article then perhaps there is hope for you. Your country could use another pair of balls to help save it but first we want to tell you a little bit about what the victims families are going through.

Place yourself in this scenario. You drive up to your home to find it surrounded by policemen, firefighters and reporters. The mayor is present giving orders.

Your first thought is are my kids OK, are they out of the house?

You notice that a small amount of black sooty smoke was coming from a bathroom window. You notice that there is no damage to the bulk of your home but there is some damage to the bathroom area. Your told that the fire only burned hot for a few minutes then the smoke became black which indicates that the fire was starved for oxygen or fuel or both.

You immediately ask the authorities about your kids and they tell you, ?The people inside were told to stay where they were at. They are not near the fire and it has been determined that they are in no danger. Evacuating the home would place them in more danger then simply staying put?.

You hear a radio call from one of the firefighters that had made it to the bathroom where the fire was smoldering. The conversation goes something like this; ?Engine seven Battalion 1?. ?Go ahead engine 7? ?Yea Jerry we have a small isolated pocket of fire in the back bathroom, should be able to knock it down with one line, radio that.? ? Battalion 1 Engine 7 roger that.?

Then suddenly you feel the ground shake, you hear a huge explosion followed by several smaller explosions. You see the two by fours that make up the skeleton of your house shoot out horizontally hundreds of feet, you see huge clouds of dust shoot out from the base of your home and you watch your house collapse straight down into its own footprint in less then 1 second.

An hour or so after the collapse you are watching the mayor being interviewed and he says, ?We got a phone call that the house was going to collapse so we decided to evacuate our people from the home?. You hear the mail man say, ?I got a call and was told not to go near that home today because of security reasons?. There are news crews all over the place and everyone is talking about the explosions they heard, saw and felt just before and while your house was collapsing.

A couple hours later you hear more explosions, you see more giant clouds of dust shooting out from the base of a home about a block away. That house also collapses in less then one second. It collapses straight down into its own footprint creating a tiny pile of rubble. When the dust settles you notice that there is no concrete foundation left nor any stucco from the walls. You do not find a single piece of concrete or stucco because it has all turned to dust. It had been pulverized by the explosions you heard, felt and saw. The same explosions that firefighters were describing to the news crews that were there. The same explosions that policemen were describing to reporters on the seen. The same explosions that every major news network was talking about the rest of the day. The same explosions that killed people who were to close to the house.

You ask the mayor, ?who called you and warned you that the house was going to collapse and why didn?t my kids and those firefighters get the same warning?? His answer is, ?I don?t remember?.

Before all of the dust had settled FEMA is there and has set up an emergency operations headquarters. They immediately start loading the rubble onto trucks. Trucks that have been outfitted with GPS devices. You learn that the GPS devices were outfitted on those trucks specifically for this job and they were put there to make sure non of the truck drivers strayed off of their assigned routs to and from the barge. Indeed as soon as a truck is loaded it is sent to a nearby port and the rubble is loaded onto a waiting barge then shipped to Asia to be recycled.

Investigators arrive on the scene. These investigators are not allowed access to the rubble. The investigators are frustrated and they send a complaint to the mayors office. 3 days later the investigators are allowed a 5 minute chaperoned walk through of the rubble. The editor from the oldest and most respected fire fighter magazine complains that it is a federal crime to remove evidence from a crime scene. FEMA?s recovery personnel that are loading the trucks have authority over the investigators.

You learn that the FEMA team had arrived the day before your house blew up. They tell you it is just a coincidence. You wait and you pray that your kids will be found alive. You discover that just like the concrete and the stucco they were blown to smithereens. The president hits the airways and promises a thorough investigation of the collapse. He says ?But now is not the time, it is time to mourn the victims and pray for the families.?

A few days go by and rumors begin to surface. Those rumors say ?It was fire that caused those homes to collapse.? You are stunned, you are sure that these rumors will be extinguished immediately. You become angry when these rumors continue. You become irate when you realize that this rumor is being happily accepted by everyone. Confused, you go to the police who were at the scene and ask them to confirm they had heard bombs, they had seen explosions, they saw explosions and they felt explosions because they were there with you when your house blew up. The police tell you that the president had placed a gag order on them for reasons of national security. You say; ?Fine I will go to the firefighters and rescue workers who were at the scene they remember.? The police tell you that it won?t do you any good because they have also been placed under a strict gag order.

You are watching the discovery channel because they are going to show America how the houses collapsed. You can not believe it when there is no mention of bombs or explosions. They provide a scenario of the collapse that is scientifically impossible because it defies basic laws of physics.

Everyone on the planet has trumpeted this psychobabble fire theory as a well researched scientific investigation. An investigation that could not have taken place because you know that the rubble was shipped to Asia to be recycled and you know that your house was blown up with bombs. Something that you believed could go without saying has been flushed down the memory hole because nobody in the media has mentioned anything about bombs or explosions since the day your whole world blew up.

The reporters in the main stream media were trumpeting the fire theory. The same reporters that were there on the scene are talking about fires bringing down your home.

You have lost faith in your government. You have little faith left in the American people. Your only hope to find out what really happened to your kids and your home lays in the hands of the government. But this president has been doing everything he can to block the investigation that he promised would take place.

You join with other victims families because it has been over a year now and all the presidents men are dragging their feet and stonewalling an official investigation. Begrudgingly the president appoints someone to head the commission. You find out that he appoints Henry ?Watergate/Iran Contra/War Criminal/Neoconservative/Zionist/Mass Murderer? Kissinger.

Thankfully not even the slightest of minds is fooled by this appointment so Henry Kissinger is replaced by Thomas Kean who appoints the rest of the commission all except one of which have staggering conflicts of interests in the investigation. When the one person on the commission that does not have a conflict of interest cry's out that the entire commission is a scam and he won't allow it under his watch he is quickly replaced by another of the presidents lap dogs. You and the other victims families present a list of 400 questions to the commission and the commission says that those questions will be the guiding path to the commissions inquiry.

Meanwhile the funds that have been donated to the victims families have finally been made available to those families however the government places restrictions on those funds in that the families must sign documents stating that no further action can be taken against any government entities that may be found to be derelict in their duties or complicit in any other form regarding the events leading up to that day, on that day or after that day.

You turn to the American people for help and they tell you that you are crazy, you are a conspiracy theorist, it was a fire that brought down your home, they are experts because they saw it on the discovery channel and it made perfect sense to them.

You tell them you have evidence, you tell them something is wrong, you plead with them to just look at the evidence and they tell you they don?t need to look at any evidence from a crackpot conspiracy theorist because they already know the official story.

This is not even your IQ?s worth of what is happening in America right now. The above is comparable to what the victims families are going through right now although what they are going through is all of this and far worse. Further then your patriotic, never question your government, simple and closed mind can ever imagine. If this continues unchecked the only satisfaction we will get out of it is watching all you people who are to smart to consider that this can happen in America shrivel up and become little Neo Nazis as it is a cinch you will not have the sack to disobey your government daddy figure. We ask one favor of you "official conspiracy theorists supporters" while we try and save your country for you. Either look at the evidence the 911 truth movement has to offer or stop hawking the official story as if you know what your babbling about or until you can provide a piece of evidence to support it.

Better yet; sack up and join the 911 truth movement.

Love the 911 truth movement.
(Official Killers Of Your Boogieman)


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InvisibleRandalFlagg
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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: Una]
    #5418084 - 03/19/06 07:52 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Una said:
You are a danger to America and you are preventing the victims families from learning what happened to their loved ones on September 11th. Yes you!

Why? Because you are a conspiracy theorist aiding and abetting the real criminals out of complete stupidity and lack of nuts. I can not say lack of knowledge because it is obvious you do not have the nuts to look at the evidence

You were told things that were blatant lies backed up by no hard evidence and you do not care enough about your country to question your daddy government.

Furthermore you do not care enough about the victims families to take 5 minutes to look at what they are complaining about.




????

I have been exposed to about every "9/11 was a government operation" conspiracy theory and I have found them all to be paranoid bullshit with no basis in reality.


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5418125 - 03/19/06 08:25 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"Your such a brainwashed follower"

"Your simple mind can not compute"

"When the truth does comes out you will be one of the sheep telling everyone that you knew it all the time. You will because the lack of backbone you have shown so far indicates that you won?t be able to stomach yourself when you see how easy this case is to crack and how only a complete moron can not understand that they have been lied to after being shown the evidence. Yes You!"

"You are in a word pathetic. You are in a phrase, ?a pathetic liability to the future of this country?. You are in my book expendable. Yes You!"

There's more of this in this moron's screed but it all comes down to this.
"You are a deluded tool of the ChimpyMcBushalliburton hegemony. Yes You. Only by signing on to MY TRUTH can you be redeemed"

Beautiful stuff. Does this retard actually think he will convince anyone of anything with this bilge? "Oh you are so right Oh wise Master of Reality. Now I see the light. My eyes are open. Thank you thank you thank you. Now, when did you say that ship from Venus will be coming?"


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5418141 - 03/19/06 08:35 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

How hilarious is it that the author makes such blatant grammar mistakes?

"Your" should be "You're".


Duhh.....


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: Una]
    #5418144 - 03/19/06 08:37 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I think you give the US government too much credit.

The main thing that they lie about, is what a good job they're doing.

That's the big lie.

The fact is, all government does more harm than good. Sometimes it's because of corruption. Most of the time it's caused by incompetence. George W. Bush is just some overgrown frat boy, not a stupid evil genius.


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #5418148 - 03/19/06 08:38 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Baby_Hitler said:
George W. Bush is just some overgrown frat boy, not a stupid evil genius.





Your lying! Your brainwashed!

This brilliant opus of investigative journalism was written by the highly respected and renowned "Dan". Enough said.


Edited by RandalFlagg (03/19/06 08:58 AM)


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InvisibleUna
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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5418157 - 03/19/06 08:42 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

I think you give the US government too much credit.




And i think you are giving OBL way too much credit.


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: Una]
    #5418182 - 03/19/06 08:54 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You replied to the wrong person.


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: Una]
    #5418195 - 03/19/06 09:03 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Una said:
Quote:

I think you give the US government too much credit.




And i think you are giving OBL way too much credit.




Hate is a powerful thing.


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: Redstorm]
    #5418206 - 03/19/06 09:08 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"Dan" is a powerful thing.


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5418209 - 03/19/06 09:12 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Ignorance is an even more powerful thing.


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: Una]
    #5418212 - 03/19/06 09:12 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Una said:
Ignorance is an even more powerful thing.




Your right.


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5418241 - 03/19/06 09:32 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Stupidity>Ignorance


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: Una]
    #5418266 - 03/19/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"You were told things that were blatant lies backed up by no hard evidence and you do not care enough about your country to question your daddy government."

Okay I get the first half of that sentence, but I think the second half belongs to the other sides argument, silly billy.
Anyway although I haven't done a huge amount of researhch, I will not block the possibility of our government causing 9/11 simply because

1) The disaster allowed reason for war, resulting huge profits for haliburton (and obviously Mr. Bush got a slice of the pie)

2) It strengthened Bush's approval rating

3) The disaster is a perfect scare tactic to allow the government to expand it power

4) Bush had the report of a very accurate description of what would happen on the terrorist attack, and he left it alone and did not do anything to alert America

5) We all know the sworn testimony of Richard Clarke, he said this under oath.

"The president dragged me into a room with a couple of other people, shut the door and said, 'I want you to find whether Iraq did this.' I said, 'Mr. President, there's no connection.' He came back at me and said, "Iraq. Saddam. Find out if there's a connection.' We got together all the FBI experts, all the CIA experts. They all cleared the report, and we sent it up to the president and it got bounced by the national security advisor or deputy. It got bounced and was sent back saying, 'Wrong answer. Do it again.' And I don't think he" -- I'm continuing the quote from Richard Clarke -- "I don't think he, the president, sees memos that he wouldn't like the answer,"

6) I've seen two news reports, one saying that the ID card of a terrorist floated out from the plane and landed safely on the ground for police to conveniently find, and I've seen another report that said the black box, which could withstand explosions and fire of plane crashes, was in one report "not usable" because of damage according to the G.A. and in another "had unimportant information" according to the FBI. So how does one survive and not the other, so conviniently?

Hey I'm not saying it's true but I'm saying being totally loyal to your government would allow such an evil master plot to go unchecked and unnoticed. People have to remember that you have to have fear of your government, the fact of the matter is these rich snooty old white men had to step on a lot of people to get where they are today, so what makes you think they care about you? They're in it for themselves, not all of them, but when you're rich all your life, have gotten old and are close to dying, and are an ex-drug addict you may qualify for a person to

A) Not give a shit about the average American because you feel you are better

B) Not have any morals because that part of your brain is gone from drugs

C) Not care what they figure out in the future because your years are almost up

D) Gain profit with any means possible because that's what business men/mafia leaders do.


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InvisibleUna
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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5418275 - 03/19/06 09:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, i'm so stupid and ignorant.....You guys are right, it was all a big coincidence. I just found this piece and it seems the writer is right....all one big coincidence.

The Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11

Happy coincidenting!

That governments have permitted terrorist acts against their own people, and have even themselves been perpetrators in order to find strategic advantage is quite likely true, but this is the United States we're talking about.

That intelligence agencies, financiers, terrorists and narco-criminals have a long history together is well established, but the Nugan Hand Bank, BCCI, Banco Ambrosiano, the P2 Lodge, the CIA/Mafia anti-Castro/Kennedy alliance, Iran/Contra and the rest were a long time ago, so there?s no need to rehash all that. That was then, this is now!

That Jonathan Bush?s Riggs Bank has been found guilty of laundering terrorist funds and fined a US-record $25 million must embarrass his nephew George, but it's still no justification for leaping to paranoid conclusions.

That George Bush's brother Marvin sat on the board of the Kuwaiti-owned company which provided electronic security to the World Trade Centre, Dulles Airport and United Airlines means nothing more than you must admit those Bush boys have done alright for themselves.

That George Bush found success as a businessman only after the investment of Osama?s brother Salem and reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mahfouz is just one of those things - one of those crazy things.

That Osama bin Laden is known to have been an asset of US foreign policy in no way implies he still is.

That al Qaeda was active in the Balkan conflict, fighting on the same side as the US as recently as 1999, while the US protected its cells, is merely one of history's little aberrations.

The claims of Michael Springman, State Department veteran of the Jeddah visa bureau, that the CIA ran the office and issued visas to al Qaeda members so they could receive training in the United States, sound like the sour grapes of someone who was fired for making such wild accusations.

That one of George Bush's first acts as President, in January 2001, was to end the two-year deployment of attack submarines which were positioned within striking distance of al Qaeda's Afghanistan camps, even as the group's guilt for the Cole bombing was established, proves that a transition from one administration to the next is never an easy task.

That so many influential figures in and close to the Bush White House had expressed, just a year before the attacks, the need for a "new Pearl Harbor" before their militarist ambitions could be fulfilled, demonstrates nothing more than the accidental virtue of being in the right place at the right time.

That the company PTECH, founded by a Saudi financier placed on America?s Terrorist Watch List in October 2001, had access to the FAA?s entire computer system for two years before the 9/11 attack, means he must not have been such a threat after all.

That whistleblower Indira Singh was told to keep her mouth shut and forget what she learned when she took her concerns about PTECH to her employers and federal authorities, suggests she lacked the big picture. And that the Chief Auditor for JP Morgan Chase told Singh repeatedly, as she answered questions about who supplied her with what information, that "that person should be killed," suggests he should take an anger management seminar.

That on May 8, 2001, Dick Cheney took upon himself the job of co-ordinating a response to domestic terror attacks even as he was crafting the administration?s energy policy which bore implications for America's military, circumventing the established infrastructure and ignoring the recommendations of the Hart-Rudman report, merely shows the VP to be someone who finds it hard to delegate.

That the standing order which covered the shooting down of hijacked aircraft was altered on June 1, 2001, taking discretion away from field commanders and placing it solely in the hands of the Secretary of Defense, is simply poor planning and unfortunate timing. Fortunately the error has been corrected, as the order was rescinded shortly after 9/11.

That in the weeks before 9/11, FBI agent Colleen Rowley found her investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui so perversely thwarted that her colleagues joked that bin Laden had a mole at the FBI, proves the stress-relieving virtue of humour in the workplace.

That Dave Frasca of the FBI?s Radical Fundamentalist Unit received a promotion after quashing multiple, urgent requests for investigations into al Qaeda assets training at flight schools in the summer of 2001 does appear on the surface odd, but undoubtedly there's a good reason for it, quite possibly classified.

That FBI informant Randy Glass, working an undercover sting, was told by Pakistani intelligence operatives that the World Trade Center towers were coming down, and that his repeated warnings which continued until weeks before the attacks, including the mention of planes used as weapons, were ignored by federal authorities, is simply one of the many "What Ifs" of that tragic day.

That over the summer of 2001 Washington received many urgent, senior-level warnings from foreign intelligence agencies and governments - including those of Germany, France, Great Britain, Russia, Egypt, Israel, Morocco, Afghanistan and others - of impending terror attacks using hijacked aircraft and did nothing, demonstrates the pressing need for a new Intelligence Czar.

That John Ashcroft stopped flying commercial aircraft in July 2001 on account of security considerations had nothing to do with warnings regarding September 11, because he said so to the 9/11 Commission.

That former lead counsel for the House David Schippers says he?d taken to John Ashcroft?s office specific warnings he?d learned from FBI agents in New York of an impending attack ? even naming the proposed dates, names of the hijackers and the targets ? and that the investigations had been stymied and the agents threatened, proves nothing but David Schipper?s pathetic need for attention.

That Garth Nicolson received two warnings from contacts in the intelligence community and one from a North African head of state, which included specific site, date and source of the attacks, and passed the information to the Defense Department and the National Security Council to evidently no effect, clearly amounts to nothing, since virtually nobody has ever heard of him.

That in the months prior to September 11, self-described US intelligence operative Delmart Vreeland sought, from a Toronto jail cell, to get US and Canadian authorities to heed his warning of his accidental discovery of impending catastrophic attacks is worthless, since Vreeland was a dubious character, notwithstanding the fact that many of his claims have since been proven true.

That FBI Special Investigator Robert Wright claims that agents assigned to intelligence operations actually protect terrorists from investigation and prosecution, that the FBI shut down his probe into terrorist training camps, and that he was removed from a money-laundering case that had a direct link to terrorism, sounds like yet more sour grapes from a disgruntled employee.

That George Bush had plans to invade Afghanistan on his desk before 9/11 demonstrates only the value of being prepared.

The suggestion that securing a pipeline across Afghanistan figured into the White House?s calculations is as ludicrous as the assertion that oil played a part in determining war in Iraq.

That Afghanistan is once again the world?s principal heroin producer is an unfortunate reality, but to claim the CIA is still actively involved in the narcotics trade is to presume bad faith on the part of the agency.

Mahmood Ahmed, chief of Pakistan?s ISI, must not have authorized an al Qaeda payment of $100,000 to Mohammed Atta days before the attacks, and was not meeting with senior Washington officials over the week of 9/11, because I didn?t read anything about him in the official report.

That Porter Goss met with Ahmed the morning of September 11 in his capacity as Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence has no bearing whatsoever upon his recent selection by the White House to head the Central Intelligence Agency.

That Goss's congressional seat encompasses the 9/11 hijackers' Florida base of operation, including their flight schools, is precisely the kind of meaningless factoid a conspiracy theorist would bring up.

It's true that George HW Bush and Dick Cheney spent the evening of September 10 alone in the Oval Office, but what's wrong with old colleagues catching up? And it's true that George HW Bush and Shafig bin Laden, Osama's brother, spent the morning of September 11 together at a board meeting of the Carlyle Group, but the bin Ladens are a big family.

That FEMA arrived in New York on Sept 10 to prepare for a scheduled biowarfare drill, and had a triage centre ready to go that was larger and better equipped than the one that was lost in the collapse of WTC 7, was a lucky twist of fate.

Newsweek?s report that senior Pentagon officials cancelled flights on Sept 10 for the following day on account of security concerns is only newsworthy because of what happened the following morning.

That George Bush's telephone logs for September 11 do not exist should surprise no one, given the confusion of the day.

That Mohamed Atta attended the International Officer's School at Maxwell Air Force Base, that Abdulaziz Alomari attended Brooks Air Force Base Aerospace Medical School, that Saeed Alghamdi attended the Defense Language Institute in Monterey merely shows it is a small world, after all.

That Lt Col Steve Butler, Vice Chancellor for student affairs of the Defense Language Institute during Alghamdi's terms, was disciplined, removed from his post and threatened with court martial when he wrote "Bush knew of the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on terrorism. What is...contemptible is the President of the United States not telling the American people what he knows for political gain," is the least that should have happened for such disrespect shown his Commander in Chief.

That Mohammed Atta dressed like a Mafioso, had a stripper girlfriend, smuggled drugs, was already a licensed pilot when he entered the US, enjoyed pork chops, drank to excess and did cocaine, was closer to Europeans than Arabs in Florida, and included the names of defence contractors on his email list, proves how dangerous the radical fundamentalist Muslim can be.

That 43 lbs of heroin was found on board the Lear Jet owned by Wally Hilliard, the owner of Atta?s flight school, just three weeks after Atta enrolled ? the biggest seizure ever in Central Florida ? was just bad luck. That Hilliard was not charged shows how specious the claims for conspiracy truly are.

That Hilliard?s plane had made 30-round trips to Venezuela with the same passengers who always paid cash, that the plane had been supplied by a pair of drug smugglers who had also outfitted CIA drug runner Barry Seal, and that 9/11 commissioner Richard ben-Veniste had been Seal?s attorney before Seal?s murder, shows nothing but the lengths to which conspiracists will go to draw sinister conclusions.

Reports of insider trading on 9/11 are false, because the SEC investigated and found only respectable investors who will remain nameless involved, and no terrorists, so the windfall profit-taking was merely, as ever, coincidental.

That heightened security for the World Trade Centre was lifted immediately prior to the attacks illustrates that it always happens when you least expect it.

That Hani Hanjour, the pilot of Flight 77, was so incompetent he could not fly a Cessna in August, but in September managed to fly a 767 at excessive speed into a spiraling, 270-degree descent and a level impact of the first floor of the Pentagon, on the only side that was virtually empty and had been hardened to withstand a terrorist attack, merely demonstrates that people can do almost anything once they set their minds to it.

That none of the flight data recorders were said to be recoverable even though they were located in the tail sections, and that until 9/11, no solid-state recorder in a catastrophic crash had been unrecoverable, shows how there's a first time for everything.

That Mohammed Atta left a uniform, a will, a Koran, his driver's license and a "how to fly planes" video in his rental car at the airport means he had other things on his mind.

The mention of Israelis with links to military-intelligence having been arrested on Sept 11 videotaping and celebrating the attacks, of an Israeli espionage ring surveiling DEA and defense installations and trailing the hijackers, and of a warning of impending attacks delivered to the Israeli company Odigo two hours before the first plane hit, does not deserve a response. That the stories also appeared in publications such as Ha'aretz and Forward is a sad display of self-hatred among certain elements of the Israeli media.

That multiple military wargames and simulations were underway the morning of 9/11 ? one simulating the crash of a plane into a building; another, a live-fly simulation of multiple hijackings ? and took many interceptors away from the eastern seaboard and confused field commanders as to which was a real hijacked aircraft and which was a hoax, was a bizarre coincidence, but no less a coincidence.

That the National Military Command Center ops director asked a rookie substitute to stand his watch at 8:30 am on Sept. 11 is nothing more than bad timing.

That a recording made Sept 11 of air traffic controllers? describing what they had witnessed, was destroyed by an FAA official who crushed it in his hand, cut the tape into little pieces and dropped them in different trash cans around the building, is something no doubt that overzealous official wishes he could undo.

That the FBI knew precisely which Florida flight schools to descend upon hours after the attacks should make every American feel safer knowing their federal agents are on the ball.

That a former flight school executive believes the hijackers were "double agents," and says about Atta and associates, "Early on I gleaned that these guys had government protection. They were let into this country for a specific purpose," and was visited by the FBI just four hours after the attacks to intimidate him into silence, proves he's an unreliable witness, for the simple reason there is no conspiracy.

That Jeb Bush was on board an aircraft that removed flight school records to Washington in the middle of the night on Sept 12th demonstrates how seriously the governor takes the issue of national security.

To insinuate evil motive from the mercy flights of bin Laden family members and Saudi royals after 9/11 shows the sickness of the conspiratorial mindset.

Le Figaro?s report in October 2001, known to have originated with French intelligence, that the CIA met Osama bin Laden in a Dubai hospital in July 2001, proves again the perfidy of the French.

That the tape in which bin Laden claims responsibility for the attacks was released by the State Department after having been found providentially by US forces in Afghanistan, and depicts a fattened Osama with a broader face and a flatter nose, proves Osama, and Osama alone, masterminded 9/11.

That at the battle of Tora Bora, where bin Laden was surrounded on three sides, Special Forces received no order to advance and capture him and were forced to stand and watch as two Russian-made helicopters flew into the area where bin Laden was believed hiding, loaded up passengers and returned to Pakistan, demonstrates how confusing the modern battlefield can be.

That upon returning to Fort Bragg from Tora Bora, the same Special Operations troops who had been stood down from capturing bin Laden, suffered a unusual spree of murder/suicides, is nothing more than a series of senseless tragedies.

Reports that bin Laden is currently receiving periodic dialysis treatment in a Pakistani medical hospital are simply too incredible to be true.

That the White House went on Cipro September 11 shows the foresightedness of America?s emergency response.

That the anthrax was mailed to perceived liberal media and the Democratic leadership demonstrates only the perversity of the terrorist psyche.

That the anthrax attacks appeared to silence opponents of the Patriot Act shows only that appearances can be deceiving.

That the Ames-strain anthrax was found to have originated at Fort Detrick, and was beyond the capability of all but a few labs to refine, underscores the importance of allowing the investigation to continue without the distraction of absurd conspiracy theories.

That Republican guru Grover Norquist has been found to have aided financiers and supporters of Islamic terror to gain access to the Bush White House, and is a founder of the Islamic Institute, which the Treasury Department believes to be a source of funding for al Qaeda, suggests Norquist is at worst, naive, and at best, needs a wider circle of friends.

That the Department of Justice consistently chooses to see accused 9/11 plotters go free rather than permit the courtroom testimony of al Qaeda leaders in American custody looks bad, but only because we don't have all the facts.

That the White House balked at any inquiry into the events of 9/11, then starved it of funds and stonewalled it, was unfortunate, but since the commission didn't find for conspiracy it's all a non issue anyway.

That the 9/11 commission's executive director and "gatekeeper," Philip Zelikow, was so closely involved in the events under investigation that he testified before the the commission as part of the inquiry, shows only an apparent conflict of interest.

That commission chair Thomas Kean is, like George Bush, a Texas oil executive who had business dealings with reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mafouz, suggests Texas is smaller than they say it is.

That co-chair Lee Hamilton has a history as a Bush family "fixer," including clearing Bush Sr of the claims arising from the 1980 "October Surprise", is of no concern, since only conspiracists believe there was such a thing as an October Surprise.

That FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds accuses the agency of intentionally fudging specific pre-9/11 warnings and harboring a foreign espionage ring in its translation department, and claims she witnessed evidence of the semi-official infrastructure of money-laundering and narcotics trade behind the attacks, is of no account, since John Ashcroft has gagged her with the rare invocation of "State Secrets Privilege," and retroactively classified her public testimony. For the sake of national security, let us speak no more of her.

That, when commenting on Edmond's case, Daniel Ellsberg remarked that Ashcroft could go to prison for his part in a cover-up, suggests Ellsberg is giving comfort to the terrorists, and could, if he doesn't wise up, find himself declared an enemy combatant.

I could go on. And on and on. But I trust you get the point. Which is simply this: there are no secrets, an American government would never accept civilian casualties for geostrategic gain, and conspiracies are for the weak-minded and gullible.

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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: Una]
    #5418302 - 03/19/06 10:08 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

We really should have a "Conspiracy Theory" subforum to keep this forum clear of this junk.


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5418307 - 03/19/06 10:10 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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1) The disaster allowed reason for war, resulting huge profits for haliburton (and obviously Mr. Bush got a slice of the pie)




Show me proof that President Bush has received any money because of Halliburton contracts.

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beatnicknick said:
2) It strengthened Bush's approval rating





For a while. Now his numbers are in the toilet.

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3) The disaster is a perfect scare tactic to allow the government to expand it power




True.


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4) Bush had the report of a very accurate description of what would happen on the terrorist attack, and he left it alone and did not do anything to alert America




Government officials get reports like that all of the time. Do you know how many people out there hate America and want to attack the U.S.? Should the government run to the presses whenever Omar What's-his-name from BumFuck-istan blabs about how he'd like to blow up the White House?


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: Silversoul]
    #5418312 - 03/19/06 10:11 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Paradigm said:
We really should have a "Conspiracy Theory" subforum to keep this forum clear of this junk.




Your right.


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: Una]
    #5418318 - 03/19/06 10:15 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You brought up the idea that ignorance was a powerful thing. I made an assertion that stupidity is even more powerful. Ignorance can be overcome through education. Stupidity is terminal.


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5418341 - 03/19/06 10:26 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

1) The disaster allowed reason for war, resulting huge profits for haliburton (and obviously Mr. Bush got a slice of the pie)

Show me proof that President Bush has received any money because of Halliburton contracts.


There may or may not be evidence out there as proof of it, but it makes complete sense if you put the facts together. But yes I haven't found proof, not that it really has any affect on my argument if you look at everything else.

2) It strengthened Bush's approval rating


For a while. Now his numbers are in the toilet.


Haha exactly, and for good reason.


3) The disaster is a perfect scare tactic to allow the government to expand it power

True.


Not gonna try and argue that one.

4) Bush had the report of a very accurate description of what would happen on the terrorist attack, and he left it alone and did not do anything to alert America

Government officials get reports like that all of the time. Do you know how many people out there hate America and want to attack the U.S.? Should the government run to the presses whenever Omar What's-his-name from BumFuck-istan blabs about how he'd like to blow up the White House?


Yes, they should, it would save lives. Even if we have 1 true threat in a hundred false claims. All of them would be worth investigation.


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5418374 - 03/19/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You guys need to respond to Una, not beatnick. Una just listed at least 50 facts that support a government conspiracy, and you decide to bash on beatnick's dinky little post.

For me, there's too many inconsistencies in 9/11 for it to have been solely the working of Al Qaeda. To just accept that it was a Middle Eastern terrorist plot, you need to disregard many things that just don't add up.


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5418383 - 03/19/06 10:44 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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There may or may not be evidence out there as proof of it, but it makes complete sense if you put the facts together.




Do you not see the irony in your own words? If you use reasoning like that you are not going to convince many people.


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5418387 - 03/19/06 10:46 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Yes, they should, it would save lives. Even if we have 1 true threat in a hundred false claims. All of them would be worth investigation.




If you release alarm reports every day people will stop listening to them and they will lose any effectiveness that they had.


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: MisterKite]
    #5418463 - 03/19/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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You guys need to respond to Una, not beatnick. Una just listed at least 50 facts that support a government conspiracy, and you decide to bash on beatnick's dinky little post.

For me, there's too many inconsistencies in 9/11 for it to have been solely the working of Al Qaeda. To just accept that it was a Middle Eastern terrorist plot, you need to disregard many things that just don't add up.




And now i will list 115 failures of the 9/11 Commission:

1. The omission of evidence that at least six of the alleged hijackers---including Waleed al-Shehri, said by the Commission probably to have stabbed a flight attendant on Flight 11 before it crashed into the North Tower of the WTC---are still alive (19-20).

2. The omission of evidence about Mohamed Atta---such as his reported fondness for alcohol, pork, and lap dances---that is in tension with the Commission's claim that he had become fanatically religious (20-21).

3. The obfuscation of the evidence that Hani Hanjour was too poor a pilot to have flown an airliner into the Pentagon (21-22).

4. The omission of the fact that the publicly released flight manifests contain no Arab names (23).

5. The omission of the fact that fire has never, before or after 9/11, caused steel-frame buildings to collapse (25).

6. The omission of the fact that the fires in the Twin Towers were not very big, very hot, or very long-lasting compared with fires in several steel-frame buildings that did not collapse (25-26).

7. The omission of the fact that, given the hypothesis that the collapses were caused by fire, the South Tower, which was struck later than the North Tower and also had smaller fires, should not have collapsed first (26).

8. The omission of the fact that WTC 7 (which was not hit by an airplane and which had only small, localized fires) also collapsed---an occurrence that FEMA admitted it could not explain (26).

9. The omission of the fact that the collapse of the Twin Towers (like that of Building 7) exemplified at least 10 features suggestive of controlled demolition (26-27).

10. The claim that the core of each of the Twin Towers was "a hollow steel shaft"---a claim that denied the existence of the 47 massive steel columns that in reality constituted the core of each tower and that, given the "pancake theory" of the collapses, should have still been sticking up many hundreds of feet in the air (27-28).

11. The omission of Larry Silverstein's statement that he and the fire department commander decided to "pull" Building 7 (28).

12. The omission of the fact that the steel from the WTC buildings was quickly removed from the crime scene and shipped overseas before it could be analyzed for evidence of explosives (30).

13. The omission of the fact that because Building 7 had been evacuated before it collapsed, the official reason for the rapid removal of the steel---that some people might still be alive in the rubble under the steel---made no sense in this case (30).

14. The omission of Mayor Giuliani's statement that he had received word that the World Trade Center was going to collapse (30-31).

15. The omission of the fact that President Bush's brother Marvin and his cousin Wirt Walker III were both principals in the company in charge of security for the WTC (31-32).

16. The omission of the fact that the west wing of the Pentagon would have been the least likely spot to be targeted by al-Qaeda terrorists, for several reasons (33-34).

17. The omission of any discussion of whether the damage done to the Pentagon was consistent with the impact of a Boeing 757 going several hundred miles per hour (34).

18. The omission of the fact that there are photos showing that the west wing's fa?ade did not collapse until 30 minutes after the strike and also that the entrance hole appears too small for a Boeing 757 to have entered (34).

19. The omission of all testimony that has been used to cast doubt on whether remains of a Boeing 757 were visible either inside or outside the Pentagon (34-36).

20. The omission of any discussion of whether the Pentagon has a anti-missile defense system that would have brought down a commercial airliner---even though the Commission suggested that the al-Qaeda terrorists did not attack a nuclear power plant because they assumed that it would be thus defended (36).

21. The omission of the fact that pictures from various security cameras---including the camera at the gas station across from the Pentagon, the film from which was reportedly confiscated by the FBI immediately after the strike---could presumably answer the question of what really hit the Pentagon (37-38).

22. The omission of Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld's reference to "the missile [used] to damage [the Pentagon]" (39).

23. The apparent endorsement of a wholly unsatisfactory answer to the question of why the Secret Service agents allowed President Bush to remain at the Sarasota school at a time when, given the official story, they should have assumed that a hijacked airliner might be about to crash into the school (41-44).

24. The failure to explore why the Secret Service did not summon fighter jets to provide air cover for Air Force One (43-46).

25. The claims that when the presidential party arrived at the school, no one in the party knew that several planes had been hijacked (47-48).

26. The omission of the report that Attorney General Ashcroft was warned to stop using commercial airlines prior to 9/11 (50).

27. The omission of David Schippers' claim that he had, on the basis of information provided by FBI agents about upcoming attacks in lower Manhattan, tried unsuccessfully to convey this information to Attorney General Ashcroft during the six weeks prior to 9/11 (51).

28. The omission of any mention of the FBI agents who reportedly claimed to have known the targets and dates of the attacks well in advance (51-52).

29. The claim, by means of a circular, question-begging rebuttal, that the unusual purchases of put options prior to 9/11 did not imply advance knowledge of the attacks on the part of the buyers (52-57).

30. The omission of reports that both Mayor Willie Brown and some Pentagon officials received warnings about flying on 9/11 (57).

31. The omission of the report that Osama bin Laden, who already was America's "most wanted" criminal, was treated in July 2001 by an American doctor in the American Hospital in Dubai and visited by the local CIA agent (59).

32. The omission of news stories suggesting that after 9/11 the US military in Afghanistan deliberately allowed Osama bin Laden to escape (60).

33. The omission of reports, including the report of a visit to Osama bin Laden at the hospital in Dubai by the head of Saudi intelligence, that were in tension with the official portrayal of Osama as disowned by his family and his country (60-61).

34. The omission of Gerald Posner's account of Abu Zubaydah's testimony, according to which three members of the Saudi royal family---all of whom later died mysteriously within an eight-day period---were funding al-Qaeda and had advance knowledge of the 9/11 attacks (61-65).

35. The Commission's denial that it found any evidence of Saudi funding of al-Qaeda (65-68).

36. The Commission's denial in particular that it found any evidence that money from Prince Bandar's wife, Princess Haifa, went to al-Qaeda operatives (69-70).

37. The denial, by means of simply ignoring the distinction between private and commercial flights, that the private flight carrying Saudis from Tampa to Lexington on September 13 violated the rules for US airspace in effect at the time (71-76).

38. The denial that any Saudis were allowed to leave the United States shortly after 9/11 without being adequately investigated (76-82).

39. The omission of evidence that Prince Bandar obtained special permission from the White House for the Saudi flights (82-86).

40. The omission of Coleen Rowley's claim that some officials at FBI headquarters did see the memo from Phoenix agent Kenneth Williams (89-90).

41. The omission of Chicago FBI agent Robert Wright's charge that FBI headquarters closed his case on a terrorist cell, then used intimidation to prevent him from publishing a book reporting his experiences (91).

42. The omission of evidence that FBI headquarters sabotaged the attempt by Coleen Rowley and other Minneapolis agents to obtain a warrant to search Zacarias Moussaoui's computer (91-94).

43. The omission of the 3.5 hours of testimony to the Commission by former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds?-testimony that, according to her later public letter to Chairman Kean, revealed serious 9/11-related cover-ups by officials at FBI headquarters (94-101).

44. The omission of the fact that General Mahmoud Ahmad, the head of Pakistan's intelligence agency (the ISI), was in Washington the week prior to 9/11, meeting with CIA chief George Tenet and other US officials (103-04).

45. The omission of evidence that ISI chief Ahmad had ordered $100,000 to be sent to Mohamed Atta prior to 9/11 (104-07).

46. The Commission's claim that it found no evidence that any foreign government, including Pakistan, had provided funding for the al-Qaeda operatives (106).

47. The omission of the report that the Bush administration pressured Pakistan to dismiss Ahmad as ISI chief after the appearance of the story that he had ordered ISI money sent to Atta (107-09).

48. The omission of evidence that the ISI (and not merely al-Qaeda) was behind the assassination of Ahmad Shah Masood (the leader of Afghanistan's Northern Alliance), which occurred just after the week-long meeting between the heads of the CIA and the ISI (110-112).

49. The omission of evidence of ISI involvement in the kidnapping and murder of Wall Street Reporter Daniel Pearl (113).

50. The omission of Gerald Posner's report that Abu Zubaydah claimed that a Pakistani military officer, Mushaf Ali Mir, was closely connected to both the ISI and al-Qaeda and had advance knowledge of the 9/11 attacks (114).

51. The omission of the 1999 prediction by ISI agent Rajaa Gulum Abbas that the Twin Towers would be "coming down" (114).

52. The omission of the fact that President Bush and other members of his administration repeatedly spoke of the 9/11 attacks as "opportunities" (116-17).

53. The omission of the fact that The Project for the New American Century, many members of which became key figures in the Bush administration, published a document in 2000 saying that "a new Pearl Harbor" would aid its goal of obtaining funding for a rapid technological transformation of the US military (117-18).

54. The omission of the fact that Donald Rumsfeld, who as head of the commission on the US Space Command had recommended increased funding for it, used the attacks of 9/11 on that very evening to secure such funding (119-22).

55. The failure to mention the fact that three of the men who presided over the failure to prevent the 9/11 attacks?-Secretary Rumsfeld, General Richard Myers, and General Ralph Eberhart---were also three of the strongest advocates for the US Space Command (122).

56. The omission of the fact that Unocal had declared that the Taliban could not provide adequate security for it to go ahead with its oil-and-gas pipeline from the Caspian region through Afghanistan and Pakistan (122-25).

57. The omission of the report that at a meeting in July 2001, US representatives said that because the Taliban refused to agree to a US proposal that would allow the pipeline project to go forward, a war against them would begin by October (125-26).

58. The omission of the fact that Zbigniew Brzezinski in his 1997 book had said that for the United States to maintain global primacy, it needed to gain control of Central Asia, with its vast petroleum reserves, and that a new Pearl Harbor would be helpful in getting the US public to support this imperial effort (127-28).

59. The omission of evidence that some key members of the Bush administration, including Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy Paul Wolfowitz, had been agitating for a war with Iraq for many years (129-33).

60. The omission of notes of Rumsfeld's conversations on 9/11 showing that he was determined to use the attacks as a pretext for a war with Iraq (131-32).

61. The omission of the statement by the Project for the New American Century that "the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein" (133-34).

62. The claim that FAA protocol on 9/11 required the time-consuming process of going through several steps in the chain of command--even though the Report cites evidence to the contrary (158).

63. The claim that in those days there were only two air force bases in NORAD's Northeast sector that kept fighters on alert and that, in particular, there were no fighters on alert at either McGuire or Andrews (159-162).

64. The omission of evidence that Andrews Air Force Base did keep several fighters on alert at all times (162-64).

65. The acceptance of the twofold claim that Colonel Marr of NEADS had to telephone a superior to get permission to have fighters scrambled from Otis and that this call required eight minutes (165-66).

66. The endorsement of the claim that the loss of an airplane's transponder signal makes it virtually impossible for the US military's radar to track that plane (166-67).

67. The claim that the Payne Stewart interception did not show NORAD's response time to Flight 11 to be extraordinarily slow (167-69).

68. The claim that the Otis fighters were not airborne until seven minutes after they received the scramble order because they did not know where to go (174-75).

69. The claim that the US military did not know about the hijacking of Flight 175 until 9:03, when it was crashing into the South Tower (181-82).

70. The omission of any explanation of (a) why NORAD's earlier report, according to which the FAA had notified the military about the hijacking of Flight 175 at 8:43, was now to be considered false and (b) how this report, if it was false, could have been published and then left uncorrected for almost three years (182).

71. The claim that the FAA did not set up a teleconference until 9:20 that morning (183).

72. The omission of the fact that a memo by Laura Brown of the FAA says that its teleconference was established at about 8:50 and that it included discussion of Flight 175's hijacking (183-84, 186).

73. The claim that the NMCC teleconference did not begin until 9:29 (186-88).

74. The omission, in the Commission's claim that Flight 77 did not deviate from its course until 8:54, of the fact that earlier reports had said 8:46 (189-90).

75. The failure to mention that the report that a large jet had crashed in Kentucky, at about the time Flight 77 disappeared from FAA radar, was taken seriously enough by the heads of the FAA and the FBI's counterterrorism unit to be relayed to the White House (190).

76. The claim that Flight 77 flew almost 40 minutes through American airspace towards Washington without being detected by the military's radar (191-92).

77. The failure to explain, if NORAD's earlier report that it was notified about Flight 77 at 9:24 was "incorrect," how this erroneous report could have arisen, i.e., whether NORAD officials had been lying or simply confused for almost three years (192-93).

78. The claim that the Langley fighter jets, which NORAD had previously said were scrambled to intercept Flight 77, were actually scrambled in response to an erroneous report from an (unidentified) FAA controller at 9:21 that Flight 11 was still up and was headed towards Washington (193-99).

79. The claim that the military did not hear from the FAA about the probable hijacking of Flight 77 before the Pentagon was struck (204-12).

80. The claim that Jane Garvey did not join Richard Clarke's videoconference until 9:40, after the Pentagon was struck (210).

81. The claim that none of the teleconferences succeeded in coordinating the FAA and military responses to the hijackings because "none of [them] included the right officials from both the FAA and the Defense Department"---although Richard Clarke says that his videoconference included FAA head Jane Garvey as well as Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld and General Richard Myers, the acting chair of the joint chiefs of staff (211).

82. The Commission's claim that it did not know who from the Defense Department participated in Clarke's videoconference---although Clarke's book said that it was Donald Rumsfeld and General Myers (211-212).

83. The endorsement of General Myers' claim that he was on Capitol Hill during the attacks, without mentioning Richard Clarke's contradictory account, according to which Myers was in the Pentagon participating in Clarke's videoconference (213-17).

84. The failure to mention the contradiction between Clarke's account of Rumsfeld's whereabouts that morning and Rumsfeld's own accounts (217-19).

85. The omission of Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta's testimony, given to the Commission itself, that Vice-President Cheney and others in the underground shelter were aware by 9:26 that an aircraft was approaching the Pentagon (220).

86. The claim that Pentagon officials did not know about an aircraft approaching Pentagon until 9:32, 9:34, or 9:36---in any case, only a few minutes before the building was hit (223).

87. The endorsement of two contradictory stories about the aircraft that hit the Pentagon---one in which it executed a 330-degree downward spiral (a "high-speed dive") and another in which there is no mention of this maneuver (222-23).

88. The claim that the fighter jets from Langley, which were allegedly scrambled to protect Washington from "Phantom Flight 11," were nowhere near Washington because they were mistakenly sent out to sea (223-24).

89. The omission of all the evidence suggesting that the aircraft that hit the Pentagon was not Flight 77 (224-25).

90. The claim that the military was not notified by the FAA about Flight 93's hijacking until after it crashed (227-29, 232, 253).

91. The twofold claim that the NMCC did not monitor the FAA-initiated conference and then was unable to get the FAA connected to the NMCC-initiated teleconference (230-31).

92. The omission of the fact that the Secret Service is able to know everything that the FAA knows (233).

93. The omission of any inquiry into why the NMCC initiated its own teleconference if, as Laura Brown of the FAA has said, this is not standard protocol (234).

94. The omission of any exploration of why General Montague Winfield not only had a rookie (Captain Leidig) take over his role as the NMCC's Director of Operations but also left him in charge after it was clear that the Pentagon was facing an unprecedented crisis (235-36).

95. The claim that the FAA (falsely) notified the Secret Service between 10:10 and 10:15 that Flight 93 was still up and headed towards Washington (237).

96. The claim that Vice President Cheney did not give the shoot-down authorization until after 10:10 (several minutes after Flight 93 had crashed) and that this authorization was not transmitted to the US military until 10:31 (237-41).

97. The omission of all the evidence indicating that Flight 93 was shot down by a military plane (238-39, 252-53).

98. The claim that Richard Clarke did not receive the requested shoot-down authorization until 10:25 (240).

99. The omission of Clarke's own testimony, which suggests that he received the shoot-down authorization by 9:50 (240).

100. The claim that Cheney did not reach the underground shelter (the PEOC [Presidential Emergency Operations Center]) until 9:58 (241-44).

101. The omission of multiple testimony, including that of Norman Mineta to the Commission itself, that Cheney was in the PEOC before 9:20 (241-44).

102. The claim that shoot-down authorization must be given by the president (245).

103. The omission of reports that Colonel Marr ordered a shoot-down of Flight 93 and that General Winfield indicated that he and others at the NMCC had expected a fighter jet to reach Flight 93 (252).

104. The omission of reports that there were two fighter jets in the air a few miles from NYC and three of them only 200 miles from Washington (251).

105. The omission of evidence that there were at least six bases with fighters on alert in the northeastern part of the United States (257-58).

106. The endorsement of General Myers' claim that NORAD had defined its mission in terms of defending only against threats from abroad (258-62).

107. The endorsement of General Myers' claim that NORAD had not recognized the possibility that terrorists might use hijacked airliners as missiles (262-63).

108. The failure to highlight the significance of evidence presented in the Report itself, and to mention other evidence, showing that NORAD had indeed recognized the threat that hijacked airliners might be used as missiles (264-67).

109. The failure to probe the issue of how the "war games" scheduled for that day were related to the military's failure to intercept the hijacked airliners (268-69).

110. The failure to discuss the possible relevance of Operation Northwoods to the attacks of 9/11 (269-71).

111. The claim---made in explaining why the military did not get information about the hijackings in time to intercept them---that FAA personnel inexplicably failed to follow standard procedures some 16 times (155-56, 157, 179, 180, 181, 190, 191, 193, 194, 200, 202-03, 227, 237, 272-75).

112. The failure to point out that the Commission's claimed "independence" was fatally compromised by the fact that its executive director, Philip Zelikow, was virtually a member of the Bush administration (7-9, 11-12, 282-84).

113. The failure to point out that the White House first sought to prevent the creation of a 9/11 Commission, then placed many obstacles in its path, including giving it extremely meager funding (283-85).

114. The failure to point out that the Commission's chairman, most of the other commissioners, and at least half of the staff had serious conflicts of interest (285-90, 292-95).

115. The failure of the Commission, while bragging that it presented its final report "without dissent," to point out that this was probably possible only because Max Cleland, the commissioner who was most critical of the White House and swore that he would not be part of "looking at information only partially," had to resign in order to accept a position with the Export-Import Bank, and that the White House forwarded his nomination for this position only after he was becoming quite outspoken in his criticisms (290-291).

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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: Una]
    #5418643 - 03/19/06 12:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

if any jerkwater police dept had been investigating 9/11..then bush..cheney..&co would have long since been impeached by congress.. and subsequently tried..convicted..and executed by the state of new york...this is because the said jerkwater PD must start by asking the question .."who stands the most to gain?"...of course the FBI..being directly under the auspices of bush&co..didnt ask that question..but rather produced mohammed attas' passport in pristine condition a few minutes after the attack...

but what is far more disturbing than the above is how an overwhelming majority of americans have chosen to pretend to believe a very obvious lie..and my hunch (and this is strictly a hunch) is that there are three(3) main reasons for this.. their preachers.. their SUVs.. and their preachers' SUVs...


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5418866 - 03/19/06 01:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Una, I would like to thank you very much for this post, and to let you know that your work is not going unread...

It is tough to try to present your case in the current climate of fear and hatred, but please keep it up. If even one person can be led to question what they have been presented with an open state of mind then everything you have done is worth the work...

I personally am to stupid to know what to believe, but something in my heart tells me that some of the things surrounding 9/11 don't add up...

Thanks again for all the info...


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: Una]
    #5418930 - 03/19/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It wouldn't take much to turn that letter into a premo satire.


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: Una]
    #5419285 - 03/19/06 04:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I got your conspiracy theory right here, baby.



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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: SquattingMarmot]
    #5419294 - 03/19/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Wow, that would be an awesome poster.


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: SquattingMarmot]
    #5419310 - 03/19/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Thank you Marmot. My eyes are now wide open and I am Illuminated.


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5422577 - 03/20/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'm going to bump this one because I think that Una has done some work here and it deserves the front page...

If it dies after this I'll leave it alone...


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: Prajna]
    #5427031 - 03/21/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Beautiful stuff. Does this retard actually think he will convince anyone of anything with this bilge?




hah i was thinking the same thing.  The letter comes across belligerent and unintelligeble.

I for one, saw 9/11 as a HUGE win for our government.  not only in terms of passing more laws and giving them more control in exchange for security, but has also pushed us into a state of "war," which to anyone who understands out country, understands that is out country's best export.

and these days, im starting to think its our only export.

as for whether or not it was planned / part of some conspiracy, without a fucking doubt.  But no one needs to write a long ass letter about it.

Its like trying to convert a rock to your preferred religion.  (Luckily I'm agnostic/atheist, so i dont have any trouble!)  :cool:


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: Prajna]
    #5428906 - 03/22/06 07:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Prajna said:
Una, I would like to thank you very much for this post, and to let you know that your work is not going unread...

It is tough to try to present your case in the current climate of fear and hatred, but please keep it up. If even one person can be led to question what they have been presented with an open state of mind then everything you have done is worth the work...

I personally am to stupid to know what to believe, but something in my heart tells me that some of the things surrounding 9/11 don't add up...

Thanks again for all the info...




ditto


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: MisterKite]
    #5430311 - 03/22/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I concur, especially with the following statement:
Quote:

MisterKite said:
You guys need to respond to Una, not beatnick. Una just listed at least 50 facts that support a government conspiracy, and you decide to bash on beatnick's dinky little post.


So we're waiting.

And yes, the first post was childish and couterproductive. But it doesn't make the facts go away. Or rather, those coincidences perversely presented as incriminating facts. Those must be pretty easy to debunk, right? Well go ahead then.


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: Una]
    #5435402 - 03/23/06 06:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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2. The omission of evidence about Mohamed Atta---such as his reported fondness for alcohol, pork, and lap dances---that is in tension with the Commission's claim that he had become fanatically religious (20-21).





http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=GRI20050908&articleId=907



Very sloppy research from those anti-globalists. The first time I read about the terrorists drinking and looking at pornography was November 2001. Here's something I found on the internet.


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Takfir Wal Hijra members are permitted to disregard the injunctions of Islamic law in order to blend into infidel societies. In other words, Takfirs can have sex with loose women, drink alcohol, eat pork and do whatever else they feel is appropriate to advance their mission. In the wake of September 11, and even before, the U.S. and media pundits have frequently engaged in head-scratching over the fact that terrorist operatives often don't appear to be especially Islamic. It seems paradoxical that the 9/11 hijackers could be so dedicated that they would die for the cause, but not so dedicated that they avoided picking up girls at nightclubs.

"(They seem like) regular, fun-loving guys -- but they'd slit your throat or bomb your building in a second," a French official told Time Magazine. Mohammed Atta, although puritanical in his behavior, was believed to be Takfiri. He's not the only al Qaeda operative you could point the finger at. Ramzi Yousef and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed went to discos, drank alcohol and dated call girls. Yousef in particular is renowned for being generally unIslamic and non-observant of prayers and fasting. Although no one has suggested openly that Yousef and KSM were Takfiri, it's hardly a stretch.





http://www.rotten.com/library/history/terrorist-organizations/al-takfir-wal-hijra/


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: Luddite]
    #5437288 - 03/24/06 06:20 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It looks like those conspiracy web sites are trying to sell poorly written books to gullable suckers.


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: kotik]
    #5437438 - 03/24/06 07:42 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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kotik said:
Quote:

Beautiful stuff. Does this retard actually think he will convince anyone of anything with this bilge?




hah i was thinking the same thing. The letter comes across belligerent and unintelligeble.





Yes, but that can be understood. I think that if one of your own family members was a victim of 9/11, and if you had lost faith in the government for their involvement in the attacks and in the american people for being so easily manipulated, you would get pretty angry as well.

There are loads of victims' families involved in the 9/11 truth movement.


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Re: A Letter To "the Official Conspiracy Theorists" [Re: exclusive58]
    #5449991 - 03/28/06 05:22 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

There are loads of victims' families involved in the 9/11 truth movement.

/sarcasm on

9/11 never happened. Neither did the Holocaust.

Have you personally been to the site of the alleged Pentagon crash? All those images we've seen on TV of destroyed buildings were filmed on a Hollywood movie soundstage... just like the Apollo moon shots.

/sarcasm off

Geesh, you conspiracy nuts are amazing.


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