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Kerbouchard
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Fresh picked Nicotiana Rustica leaves
#5417717 - 03/19/06 12:07 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sunup till sundown in my garden today... plus I went till 1am with my spotlight and a bonfire to keep me warm. I got all my rows made. and 30 bags of all organic soil was added to my space.
I harvested about 15 leaves off of my 20 or so rustica plants that are two inches wide, four inches long, about.. I've heard that maybe I should press them... That or let them dry out normally? I want to cure it for a month or two after it dries, for smoking.. what is my best way? Just in a mason glass jar, airing it out ever day, or what? Will immature rustica plants still produce nicotine in the leaves? I imagine it will just be a smoother smoke,
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Re: Fresh picked Nicotiana Rustica leaves [Re: Kerbouchard]
#5417877 - 03/19/06 02:06 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Fresh picked Nicotiana Rustica leaves [Re: Kerbouchard]
#5418510 - 03/19/06 11:32 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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imature leaves are harsher, When the plants leaves start yellowing at the END of the season thats a good time to harvest.
I hang to dry. I mist them down every couple days so that the slow curing process continues.
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I wonder what it is like to just smoke the leaves....Like, if you found one of the wild tobbacco plants (where I live there are a bunch of short ones) and pulled off a leaf and smoked it in a pipe. Seems disgusting if you can get it to stay lit.
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Kerbouchard
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Re: Fresh picked Nicotiana Rustica leaves [Re: mycogirl]
#5418753 - 03/19/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks so much for the links!!

Actually I had already read that second link you gave me.
This answers my questions though... I guess these leaves picked green will mean they will dry with lots of chlorophyll and still have a lot of sugar and nicotine in them.. Oh well, it's just a test mode till the mature plants start to yellow
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Edited by flowup (03/19/06 01:05 PM)
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Re: Fresh picked Nicotiana Rustica leaves [Re: Kerbouchard]
#5418835 - 03/19/06 01:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Do the leaves make good blunt wrappers?
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Re: Fresh picked Nicotiana Rustica leaves [Re: Frappy]
#5418848 - 03/19/06 01:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Rustica is a sacrement! Be kind! Respect it!
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whatever123
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Quote:
Corporal Kielbasa said: Rustica is a sacrement! Be kind! Respect it!
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Re: Fresh picked Nicotiana Rustica leaves [Re: whatever123]
#5419929 - 03/19/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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whatever123 said:
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Corporal Kielbasa said: Rustica is a sacrement! Be kind! Respect it!
One of the reasons TO respect it:
Rustica is the mother of all tobacco. I.E. a rustica plant contains enough nicotine to KILL you.
It's possible to overdose on nicotine just by harvesting the plants with bare hands.
Nicotine is a neurotoxin, which is why it makes a very effective pesticide. Rustica has nicotine up the wazoo.
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whatever123
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Re: Fresh picked Nicotiana Rustica leaves [Re: Konnrade]
#5420434 - 03/19/06 09:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Woah....are you fucking serious? How many plants would you need to harvest barehanded? And well do they do in clay-rich soil???(I see a bunch of wild-tobacco plants in the canyons near my house)
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Re: Fresh picked Nicotiana Rustica leaves [Re: whatever123]
#5420698 - 03/19/06 10:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Not to mention i never had a cigeret smoking habit until after i grew my own for a few years. I didnt smoke it recreationaly eather just monthly. Though I love her so she has made me a smoker...
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Corporal Kielbasa

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i used to lick the resin of the plant..... The plant was 1000 years old. The seed was 1000+ years old and germinated. You all can posibly find my old post a couple years back on it.
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whatever123
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wait.....how long do these things live??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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Re: Fresh picked Nicotiana Rustica leaves [Re: whatever123]
#5420786 - 03/19/06 11:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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If the seeds where buried properly sealed in a clay vessel within a clay stratus, then possibly thousands of years. The seeds i had gotton where from my anthropologist friend, who was on the dig where the seeds orginated on. They where passed onto the elder tribal people who where residents of the surounding reservation land. The carbon dating put a thousand some odd years on the artifacts. The thousands of seeds in the vessel had a very high germination rate. The blood line continues. The people a thousand years ago fulfilled they're duties. The heritage continues today now. Dispersed to a number of people. I know now that atleast 6 generationes have been grown by a few people, I assume more has been passed on to others then i will ever know.
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I wish I knew an anthropologist... I once contemplated majoring in anthropology, but I realized that community colleges are not where you go to study anthropology 
Archaelogy would have been rewarding as well, and that would have been a great excuse to wear my Indiana Jones hat and jacket
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Re: Fresh picked Nicotiana Rustica leaves [Re: Konnrade]
#5420901 - 03/19/06 11:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I got that same hat! Sitting ontop of my boots by the wall right next to me ha ha!
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Awesome 
If you're ever interested in getting the jacket, it's about $300 to get one custom-made by Wested Leather. They made the jackets used in the films. Still have all of the original patterns.
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Re: Fresh picked Nicotiana Rustica leaves [Re: Kerbouchard]
#5421280 - 03/20/06 04:48 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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do NOT just dry and smoke rustica leaves. seriously, DONT. this can lead to nicotrine overdosage leading to DEATH. Curing the leaves first is important, this is very important. This is a highly toxic plant that should be utterly respected
ok i did not read the replies but this is important and worth mentioning twice
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Re: Fresh picked Nicotiana Rustica leaves [Re: giz]
#5421288 - 03/20/06 04:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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giz said: do NOT just dry and smoke rustica leaves. seriously, DONT. this can lead to nicotrine overdosage leading to DEATH. Curing the leaves first is important, this is very important. This is a highly toxic plant that should be utterly respected
ok i did not read the replies but this is important and worth mentioning twice
It never hurts to restate an important fact like that
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Re: Fresh picked Nicotiana Rustica leaves [Re: giz]
#5422896 - 03/20/06 07:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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giz said: do NOT just dry and smoke rustica leaves. seriously, DONT. this can lead to nicotrine overdosage leading to DEATH. Curing the leaves first is important, this is very important. This is a highly toxic plant that should be utterly respected
ok i did not read the replies but this is important and worth mentioning twice
It's worth saying again. I now realize they need to yellow on the plant first, and then slowly cure. I gummed just a tiny bit of a leaf and then spit it out, and kept spitting swalloing NO saliva, and yes I got a buzz, it almost made my gums tingle and slightly sting for a millisecond.. the light buzz lasted 10 minutes.
DON'T EAT RUSTICA. DO NOT GUM LEAVES LIKE I DID. RUSTICA IS DEADLY. RESPECT
ps- thanks for the tidbits... 1000 year rustica... cool stuff bro.
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Re: Fresh picked Nicotiana Rustica leaves [Re: Kerbouchard]
#5426062 - 03/21/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Woah, smoking it can kill you if it doesn't cure, handling it can kill you....holy shit. Tobacco is supposed to kill me over a long period of time, goddamnit, not all at once!
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Corporal Kielbasa said: If the seeds where buried properly sealed in a clay vessel within a clay stratus, then possibly thousands of years. The seeds i had gotton where from my anthropologist friend, who was on the dig where the seeds orginated on. They where passed onto the elder tribal people who where residents of the surounding reservation land. The carbon dating put a thousand some odd years on the artifacts. The thousands of seeds in the vessel had a very high germination rate. The blood line continues. The people a thousand years ago fulfilled they're duties. The heritage continues today now. Dispersed to a number of people. I know now that atleast 6 generationes have been grown by a few people, I assume more has been passed on to others then i will ever know.
can you come back and talk more about this please? was this in arizona?
Edited by MadMuncher (07/21/21 12:57 AM)
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Re: Fresh picked Nicotiana Rustica leaves [Re: MadMuncher]
#27395949 - 07/21/21 12:27 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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15 year old thread but I wish I knew the plant was "deadly" before picking a leaf and crumpling it up to sniff; didn't seem to have much of a smell at all.
Although I intended to dry and cure / ferment the leaves first, I'll let the person I'm growing it for know that it's deadly potent. I'm well aware of the ceremonial and highly potent nature of it but not that it was deadly. I figured telling him to take a small puff and sit for a while would be sufficient and that it would knock him on his ass. (He smokes a lot, hence the interest in the plant.)
I suppose this explains why nothing has eaten the leaves except for one poor something or another that destroyed half a leaf.
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Re: Fresh picked Nicotiana Rustica leaves [Re: DancingWolf]
#27396030 - 07/21/21 02:51 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've grown and used a couple types of N. rustica and a couple of other more wild type tobaccos. I like to eat fresh leaves occasionally and my girlfriend does too. Just like a leaf or two, smaller ones. I've smoked a little bit too. It's harsh unless you cure/ferment it right...which actually isn't that easy to do.
It's stronger than regular commercial tobacco, but not super deadly in moderation...IME anyways. Most of the stories you hear about people getting sick from just touching tobacco are from field workers harvesting it all day, probably without gloves in most cases.
The only time that was too much for me was when I smoked some of the flower/seed bracts mixed in with a cigarette I rolled. Those parts of the plant grow a layer of sticky trichomes, so I figured I would see what that was about. I started to sweat and feel hot and tingly. I laid down and felt like I had the spins in two different directions with a little nausea. That lasted about 10-15min then it started to wear off. It wasn't awesome, but not entirely terrible either.
Rustica/wild type tobaccos also have higher concentrations of beta carbolines like harman and norharman that have their own effects and are MAO inhibitors.
I do have a tolerance to nicotine, and I'm not trying to say it can't be deadly at high doses. Respect these plants, but don't be scared of them. The difference between medicine and poison is the dose.
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Re: Fresh picked Nicotiana Rustica leaves [Re: hummingbird]
#27396563 - 07/21/21 12:24 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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how did you cure it?
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Re: Fresh picked Nicotiana Rustica leaves [Re: MadMuncher]
#27396616 - 07/21/21 01:04 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Im real curious, I keep seeing tobacco growers here seems popular. Do yall use nicotine regularly?
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Re: Fresh picked Nicotiana Rustica leaves [Re: tututotutut]
#27396784 - 07/21/21 03:02 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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probably more than we should. do you think it was rustica that montezuma or his nephew would smoke from a gold pipe and pass out after eating as described by bernal diaz del castillo in his book the discovery and conquest of mexico?
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Re: Fresh picked Nicotiana Rustica leaves [Re: tututotutut]
#27396802 - 07/21/21 03:20 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I may have taken some puffs from a pine and a menthol but those were forced on me and I never took to tobacco products. I'm growing N.Rustica mainly for barter and as gifts.
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Re: Fresh picked Nicotiana Rustica leaves [Re: DancingWolf] 1
#27397141 - 07/21/21 07:26 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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you are smart and lucky you have the opportunity to use it sacramentally and get the full experience. the flower petals are enticing they smell so good dried slowly in the hot sun. the first time i tried tobako i was a little kid and i liked it. when i started smoking there was a spiritual aspect to it, smoking at special places in the woods or with friends usually in a pipe but eventually started using it to escape awkward situations or not feel awkward just standing there, and working in places where the only tobako was cigarettes and everyone smoked, and to hide weed smell. then out of boredom. sit on the porch and smoke all night sometimes its pretty terrible. once all that bs stops will try smoking rustica but i like the rush from external application even better than smoking and don't want to abuse it. hard to guess the dosage though. might make a small salve. im a little scared to give it to the people i want to because it would be embarrassing to bring them something sub-par compared to what theyre used to. supposed to smoke it like fish but they are too scared of fires around here right now so sun/heat curing spreading seeds and dried flowers around and enjoying the flower sap on my arm. mostly growing for seed this year and a small stash for gifts
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