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Can someone who is bipolar and manic safely trip on mushrooms?
    #5417089 - 03/18/06 10:24 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

is it safe for someone who was diagnosed as being manic and bipolar to take magic mushrooms? what are the chances of long term effects?


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Re: Can someone who is bipolar and manic safely trip on mushrooms? [Re: no2_is_delicious]
    #5417163 - 03/18/06 10:52 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

i would not suggest it at all man, sorry to say but any phycadelic has the ability to pull latent problems such as depression and anxiety to the surface. they also have the ability to make current problems worse. i wouldnt suggest using any phycadelic but if you wanna do anything try pot, start small and build your way up. i wouldnt even do pot but if your desperate and think you can handle it, go for it!


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Re: Can someone who is bipolar and manic safely trip on mushrooms? [Re: Nirvana7]
    #5417184 - 03/18/06 10:58 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

i used to smoke pot alot, have done benzos (valium, klonopin, etc.), coke, amps, diff opiates including smack, salvia a few times, and antipsychotics like seroquel, trazidone, zyprexa, and im probibally forgetting some things... but iv been clean from everything for about 5 monthes.. could that make shrooms more potentially damaging?


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Re: Can someone who is bipolar and manic safely trip on mushrooms? [Re: no2_is_delicious]
    #5417438 - 03/19/06 12:23 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

the answer is yes... BUT the risks are much higher, so it isnt a good idea


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Re: Can someone who is bipolar and manic safely trip on mushrooms? [Re: danlennon3]
    #5417466 - 03/19/06 12:38 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

"could that make shrooms more potentially damaging"?

No, it will make them more natural and they will fuck with you alot less. I was actually going to say that you should stay away from all that crap before trying mushrooms, but then I read your full post. If you have these "problems", then you should take the shrooms without any drugs in your system. That way you will experience the psychedelic in a very pure way, and will have a better opportunity to understand your own problems.

Even people with anxiety have at times found mushrooms to be very hard to deal with but it heals them in the end to some degree. I mean, anxiety is a common occurance at the beginning of and psychedelic experience. People with different forms of depression should have an easier time with mushrooms than those who have real anxiety issues.


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Re: Can someone who is bipolar and manic safely trip on mushrooms? [Re: no2_is_delicious]
    #5418124 - 03/19/06 10:23 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Manic depression = Bipolar disorder.
Are you sure you were diagnosed with both? =/

I was diagnosed with depression/bipolarity when I was extremely young. (10 years old)

Although my condition remained for a good time after that... and in fact I'm sure some would say still exists... I never opted to routinely medicate myself. (I tried SSRIs briefly but they just weren't for me)

So I can't really say much about drug interactions.

I can however tell you that some of my greatest success with understanding and coping with my depression has been inspired (assisted, if you prefer) by psychadelics.
Namely mushrooms and LSA.

On the other hand, I would also suggest problems like depression can make you more vulnerable to types of psychological damage psychadelics have been known to cause.

In the end, I would say your exact 'risk level' will be based on a combination of your:
security in your own mind
your outlook, intentions, and expectations for the drug
and your respect and responsibility with the drug.

If you want to talk about it anymore message me.


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Re: Can someone who is bipolar and manic safely trip on mushrooms? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5418213 - 03/19/06 11:13 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Mushrooms have helped with my depression... if you decide to eat them be ready to no fight and let them teach you. :goodluck:


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Re: Can someone who is bipolar and manic safely trip on mushrooms? [Re: FGL]
    #5418460 - 03/19/06 01:14 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

While I wouldn't steer you away from 'shrooms alltogether, I would caution against rushing into the experience. Know the shroom. Know your environment. I think you'd benefit most from a relatively small first-time dose. Maybe 1.5-2 grams. The mushroom can be immensely therapeutic, but it can also, in some case, open some psychological wounds.

So, this is a decision that you should be confident about. If you are gonna dose, you ARE gonna dose. No back and forth. No shaky decisions. Be decisive, but take time deciding. Do research. Erowid.com is a great place to start if you haven't been there already.

Be in a safe, comfortable, and prefferrably stimulating environment.

Most of all, have fun.


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Re: Can someone who is bipolar and manic safely trip on mushrooms? [Re: MiddleFinger]
    #5418708 - 03/19/06 02:43 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

You should really do what you want but one of the reasons mushrooms bring stuff like that to the surface is to help you work though it. If any of you guys can get podcasts listen to psychedelic salon there is an interview with this guy who in the 60's used LSD and mushrooms to cure schizophrenic children and other crazy shit.


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Re: Can someone who is bipolar and manic safely trip on mushrooms? [Re: no2_is_delicious]
    #5418714 - 03/19/06 02:46 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, but used with caution.


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Re: Can someone who is bipolar and manic safely trip on mushrooms? [Re: MOTH]
    #5418831 - 03/19/06 03:37 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

While bipolar people should be extremely careful with all drug use, psychedelics are MUCH, MUCH safer for them than stimulants or downers.


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Re: Can someone who is bipolar and manic safely trip on mushrooms? [Re: asd11]
    #5418855 - 03/19/06 03:45 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

You should also be aware that it's not just psychedelics which bring these kinds of things to the surface, any drug can. The source of some of your problems could be the drugs you've taken before, if that were the case you might not get anything mind-altering from the mushrooms... Or they could just enhance the problem.


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Re: Can someone who is bipolar and manic safely trip on mushrooms? [Re: vegitative]
    #5418903 - 03/19/06 04:00 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I suffer from those conditions and I take it easy on mushrooms. You just have to make sure you're with the right people, I find.


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Re: Can someone who is bipolar and manic safely trip on mushrooms? [Re: Newbie]
    #5419477 - 03/19/06 07:21 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

i am a schizzoaffective bipolar. include hallucinations paranoia delusions.. ironically LSD brought the first symptoms a couple years back.. but since then Ive done LSD more time then i can remember doing it has made me more stabilized. i go in to really introspective trips,.. and determine the causes for my issues and by that i can diminish them,.. now the risk is greater with people with mental issues. but ember your mind doesn't control you you control your mind


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Re: Can someone who is bipolar and manic safely trip on mushrooms? [Re: FGL]
    #24628898 - 09/14/17 03:09 PM (8 days, 22 hours ago)

Quote:

FGL said:
Mushrooms have helped with my depression... if you decide to eat them be ready to no fight and let them teach you. :goodluck:




Depression and anxiety is very different from bipolar..... dep and anx are too much going on in the prefrontal cortex, bipolar is weak bloodflow in the prefrontal.
So while shrooms can help dep and anx it will probably increase the effect of bipolarity....


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Re: Can someone who is bipolar and manic safely trip on mushrooms? [Re: beforeIgetold]
    #24628929 - 09/14/17 03:27 PM (8 days, 21 hours ago)

I have never been diagnosed bipolar but am pretty sure my mom is and so I am :lol:

I have been taking a break from tripping but I used to trip a lot with no issues aside from a few blackout doses, but that's unrelated.

Anyways my trips would often have a bipolar feel at times, for example during the come up I would usually go through a depressed phase where I think about all that is wrong in the world, and how much humans are fucking things up. But usually that wouldn't last long and the despair would turn into hope and happiness for all that is good in the world.

Honestly psychedelics taught me a lot about the duality of life, the yin and yang. You can't experience one without the other, they key is finding balance and not dwelling on either side.

Take that with a grain of salt as like I said I have never been diagnosed, and cannabis and kratom have really helped balance out my mood overall.

Personally I think the brain is too complex for things to be black or white, being manic or bipolar might make tripping really difficult for some while it might grant others a unique perspective/ experience.

In fact there is evidence things like Ayahuasca can actually balance out our brain chemistry, and many mental issues stem from chemical imbalances.

As long as you are cautious and start low and respect psychedelics it could be worth exploring, but in the end no one can really tell you if it would be "safe" or not.

There is some inherent danger in the psychedelic experience for anyone, but that's just part of life. If it was a perfectly safe consistent thing we wouldn't have as much to gain from the experiences.

Anyways I hope you find something to help. If I were you I would focus on living a healthy lifestyle, find some medicinal plants to help you feel more balanced. Then maybe consider tripping when you are at a better place and feel ready for it. Meditating is a great way to start and is something I think everyone should do for many reasons.


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Re: Can someone who is bipolar and manic safely trip on mushrooms? [Re: beforeIgetold]
    #24628969 - 09/14/17 03:42 PM (8 days, 21 hours ago)

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beforeIgetold said:
Depression and anxiety is very different from bipolar..... dep and anx are too much going on in the prefrontal cortex, bipolar is weak bloodflow in the prefrontal.
So while shrooms can help dep and anx it will probably increase the effect of bipolarity....




The dude you're replying to hasn't even logged in 3 years and there's plenty of bipolar people who have benefited immensely from psilocybin. Notice how most people on the psilocybin comedown tend to be very emotionally stable. Psilocybin jumbles everything around during the onset and peak before fixing them in the end. It does the same thing to logistic comprehensibility.


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Re: Can someone who is bipolar and manic safely trip on mushrooms? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #24629052 - 09/14/17 04:24 PM (8 days, 21 hours ago)

If you are in a manic state, DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT ingest mushroom or any other psychedelic. Maybe toke... that should calm you or make your mind run faster. One of the two. People who suffer from bipolar induced mania, are typically already spending excessively, making irrational decisions, not sleeping, not eating, and are extremely distractable. I'm assuming you've been diagnosed with Bipolar 1, hence the mania, and not type II. If you are manic, you will feel "too good" and invincible. Ingesting shrooms would not be a good idea in a manic state. Talk to your doc, get your mood leveled out, then I would suggest a microdose to start with to see how your body reacts to a small amount. Best of luck, and feel free to ask any questions. I've treated many pts with bipolar and mania in itself is very dangerous.


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