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How do DJ's make Trance?
#5416740 - 03/18/06 06:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is prob a lame question but how do these people make trance? Do they use computer programs? Do you have to buy turn tables and sound boards?
I once goofed with a program called fruity loops, but it sounded like a midi file. My "music" sounded great but it still sounded like a damn midi file. =/

Anyway, does anyone know?
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: theuser]
#5416753 - 03/18/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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You would probably get the best sounds from using both of those things. Live DJ's just a sound board and stuff I think.
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: barfightlard]
#5416797 - 03/18/06 06:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Find a program called 'Reason'
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: theuser]
#5416830 - 03/18/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here's something I made with fruity loops whilst coming down off shrooms.
Tell me if this sounds like a midi file
(Vocals are pretty crap but its all I had at the time)
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: Amatoxin]
#5416838 - 03/18/06 06:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Amatoxin said: Here's something I made with fruity loops whilst coming down off shrooms.
Tell me if this sounds like a midi file
(Vocals are pretty crap but its all I had at the time)
Nope, that sounds normal. I don't know what I did wrong haha. I wonder how people get started into making trance...
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: theuser]
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Sounds like you didn't use the different effects like reverb etc. If you dont distort/manipulate the sounds the finished result sounds kind of flat.
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: Amatoxin]
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Amatoxin said: Sounds like you didn't use the different effects like reverb etc. If you dont distort/manipulate the sounds the finished result sounds kind of flat.
Yeah it was just a trial version and I didn't try to hard. I guess I'll snoop around for this "reason" program.
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: theuser]
#5416863 - 03/18/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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most trance is made with som pc prog and a synth/keyboard thingy. im waiting to meet up with an old high school friend so he will show me the ropes.
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: eligal]
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eligal said: most trance is made with som pc prog and a synth/keyboard thingy. im waiting to meet up with an old high school friend so he will show me the ropes.
Awesome.
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: eligal]
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I've still got my old Akai S3000. Practicaly what drum n bass was invented on lol 
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: Amatoxin]
#5416888 - 03/18/06 07:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice.
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: theuser]
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Nothing much more complicated than a drum machine.
Trance can be created with no musical instruments and no musical talent. All it needs is somebody to set up the program that generates it. Give it 10 years, and you won't even need a person to make it, you can ask a robot to whip up a trance track
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: Konnrade]
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Sounds like you know little of what you speak
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: Amatoxin]
#5417073 - 03/18/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: theuser]
#5417127 - 03/18/06 08:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dj's and producers are totaly different.
Djs use a set of turntables/CDJ's and a mixer to blend music together for a group of people to dance too.
Producers are the ones who are actually making the tracks. You usually need a PC or MAC. A sequencer program such as cubase SX 3, Reason 3.0, protools, Logic, or Fruity Loops. Then you need some good synthesizers that are good for trance such as a Nordlead 3, Roland Jp8000 (or 8080), Roland juno series, Access Virus series, or waldorf series. Then you just record and organize your recordings with your sequencers software. Theres really alot more to it but thats just the basics of it.
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: Osker246]
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Osker246 said: Dj's and producers are totaly different.
Djs use a set of turntables/CDJ's and a mixer to blend music together for a group of people to dance too.
Producers are the ones who are actually making the tracks. You usually need a PC or MAC. A sequencer program such as cubase SX 3, Reason 3.0, protools, Logic, or Fruity Loops. Then you need some good synthesizers that are good for trance such as a Nordlead 3, Roland Jp8000 (or 8080), Roland juno series, Access Virus series, or waldorf series. Then you just record and organize your recordings with your sequencers software. Theres really alot more to it but thats just the basics of it.
Neat, thanks.
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: theuser]
#5417338 - 03/18/06 09:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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friends dont let friends produce trance. Try listening to some good dance music like house or dnb.
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: coda]
#5417372 - 03/18/06 09:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes. Most trance these days is just happy clubber shit that makes me want to stab the nearest person.
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: DNKYD]
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DNKYD said: Yes. Most trance these days is just happy clubber shit that makes me want to stab the nearest person.
I don't understand. Can you give me an example of old "good" trance and new "happy clubber shit"?
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: theuser]
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old good trance = union jack happy clubber shit = dj sammy
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: coda]
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DnB rocks but fucking house can lick my balls.
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: Stonerguy]
#5417383 - 03/18/06 09:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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What kinda house?
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: coda]
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k, I'll dl a few tracks, thanks.
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: Konnrade]
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Konnrade said: Nothing much more complicated than a drum machine.
Trance can be created with no musical instruments and no musical talent. All it needs is somebody to set up the program that generates it. Give it 10 years, and you won't even need a person to make it, you can ask a robot to whip up a trance track
thats the most ignorant, uneducated, retarded statement ive ever read.
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: DNKYD]
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DNKYD said: Yes. Most trance these days is just happy clubber shit that makes me want to stab the nearest person.
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: 40oz]
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Konnrade said: Nothing much more complicated than a drum machine.
Trance can be created with no musical instruments and no musical talent. All it needs is somebody to set up the program that generates it. Give it 10 years, and you won't even need a person to make it, you can ask a robot to whip up a trance track
thats the most ignorant, uneducated, retarded statement ive ever read.
actually he's spot on, anthem trance (cheesy clubber shit) is pretty formulaic. 4/4 beat 130-140 BPM, cheesy synths/piano, female vocal, add a few drum builds with 2 min ambient noise breaks between them and you've got a trance track.
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: eligal]
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A rel dj uses turntables, a synthazizer, and mixing equipment. I like live djs better. fuck using a shitty computer, anybody can opperate a comp. only a hand full can actually master the art of truntables. just the way they bring it all together is amazing.
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lol man, a monkey can mix beats, to program and create music takes more talent then matching beats and blending music.
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: coda]
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: coda]
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coda said: a monkey can mix beats
hey man... im actually havin problems with beat matching... then again, one turntable is broken so i havent been able to try much...  damn i need a new turntable
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: eligal]
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the easiest way to learn how to match beats is to cut out all the bullshit. Kill the mids and the highs and FOCUS on the kick drums. Fuck mixing if you cant match beats, sit there and try to keep two records matched up the entire time in your headphones. Pay attention to the sounds of the kicks when the fall off fast or slow, learning the difference between the two is vital to learning how to patch up sloppy matching or when on equipment which isnt top notch.
all you need is two hours a day, if you put in two solid hours every day for 31 days by the end of the month you'll have a very strong hold on beat matching.
practice makes perfect man, just listen to the music it will tell you what you need to do
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: coda]
#5417780 - 03/19/06 12:38 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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trance/house/techno/all that kind of music sucks... you can pretty much predict every beat theyre about to make before it even happens, even the crashes/breakdowns (whatever you call them).. i guess thats what makes it good
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: theuser]
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For all who say you dont need turntables to mix, what if your mixing live? its not the same shit, you have to pull it out of your ass and come up with some top notch shit to keep the crowd pumped. they dont want to watch you stand there glued to your computer and mixers. you need speed with percision. truntables are the way to go. you have more abilities and sounds to work with, not to mention it takes more brains to no how it all works. what methods to use. how to make the sounds that other dont know how. Theres endless sound possibilites with tables. and equipment, you need a good understanding and experiance to make it happen.
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hows 14 years experience for you? like i said before mixing beats, even if its "on the fly", takes nowhere near as much talent as creating your own music from scratch.
Second of all 90% of the dancers on a floor couldnt tell a solid mix from a poor mix. I think you have little to no understanding of how a live PA performance works either. Most of your beloved "pro" dj's preprogram their sets and play it over and over. I saw micro spin the same set in NYC he spun in philadelphia THE NIGHT BEFORE during the caffeine tour.
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: coda]
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Ive seen plenty of pro djs at live perfomances, I have a freind whos a live dj .alot of em pre program the simple constant beats. its the complicated shit they come up with along the way. And its not all the same. you have the crappy trance and the good trance. what ive found is the good trance have "peaks" climaxes. their only for 10, 15 minutes tops. but the rest sucks. If it was a good dj, theyd have some bad ass shit all the way through, and have the climaxes.
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i give up, you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about so im effectively trying to prove my point to a brick wall
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: coda]
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My job is done here.... , no but seriously, Ive ben wanting to get into the mixing shit with turntables. I have a freind who is contracted with clubs and all that its awsome, but I have no money to invest in it right now. what about dj aphrodite? ive seen him mixing stuff up as he goes along.whats your take on him? with 14 years i garentee you know more than me , what equipment do you use?
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I think you're confusing a deejay act w/ a live PA (performance artist). When someone dj's a set, they're just spinning records. Of course, it takes a discerning ear to be able to match beats and make sure that the 2 (or sometimes more) records sound good together. I've been DJ'ing for more than 5 years, and only just now am I starting to get into the production aspect.
Also, you keep making references to what makes a DJ good. If their mixing skills are up to par, then a deejay can only be as good as his or her vinyl. I have a friend who has great mixing capabilities (the guy who taught me how to spin, more or less), but his records are complete crap; pure cheese. If a deejay plays good songs, it's because they know how to properly select their vinyl.
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Exactly, there more to Dj'in than just mixing beats. I've been doing it for about 2 years now and mixing is just the basics to it all. The ability for a DJ to "read" the crowd and put that track that will make the crowd go crazy is the most important. Also Most Dj's will usually pre-organize their mixes and repeat them at other shows cause alot of thought goes into them. Alot of Dj's organize what tracks would go best with eatchother by harmonic mixing and such.
Also why is everybody hating on trance? Does anybody not look past the cheesey trance such as Darude, Dj sammy....? Alot of the people here should check out www.juno.co.uk. Their Uplifting Trance section will show you the greatest trance tracks that are comin out nowdays.
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: Osker246]
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here is my weapon of choice i creaty my psy techno wit :

its a rom based groovebox, got a drumcomp, stepsequenzer and two synths built right in. super compact, super sounds, but also super limited - as u cannot upload additional data but have to stick to modifying and rearranging prexistend coded sounds, btu korg supplied tons of quality filters and effects so i am loving it longtime 
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: ohmatic]
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post some of your stuff, I don't think I ever heard it yet...
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: Osker246]
#5418039 - 03/19/06 07:01 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Osker246 said: Also why is everybody hating on trance? Does anybody not look past the cheesey trance such as Darude, Dj sammy....?
Nope, they don't. They hear some happy hardcore clubber bullshit on the radio and say "THIS FUCKING SUCKS!". And rightly so. I can't comprehend why the "artists" that made that shit want to get out of bed in the morning. But they don't just say "this fucking sucks," they say "all techno/trance/etc. sucks!" It's understandable. It's the same as when I hear rap/hip-hop and think to myself "damn, this rap/hip-hop is total crap." It's easier to generalize your opinion for an entire genre of music which you know nothing of.
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: stefan]
#5418040 - 03/19/06 07:03 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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problem is i lack a cable to do that, if i come around to borrow one i will  peace ohm
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: ohmatic]
#5418058 - 03/19/06 07:29 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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a cable costs only a few euro's, get yourself one man 
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It's understandable. It's the same as when I hear rap/hip-hop and think to myself "damn, this rap/hip-hop is total crap." It's easier to generalize your opinion for an entire genre of music which you know nothing of.
very true
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: stefan]
#5418120 - 03/19/06 08:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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stefan said: a cable costs only a few euro's, get yourself one man 
hehe i know but i love to bitch about things like that  heading to the hifi store tomorrow ! peace ohm
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: Osker246]
#5418351 - 03/19/06 10:31 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Exactly, there more to Dj'in than just mixing beats. I've been doing it for about 2 years now and mixing is just the basics to it all. The ability for a DJ to "read" the crowd and put that track that will make the crowd go crazy is the most important. Also Most Dj's will usually pre-organize their mixes and repeat them at other shows cause alot of thought goes into them. Alot of Dj's organize what tracks would go best with eatchother by harmonic mixing and such.
Nah, believe me, thats not hard at all. Reading a crowd is just about as hard as bending down to pick up a nickle. All it takes is showing up to your gig early and watching what the crowd reacts to, knowing your audience is more important then choosing "the perfect record". If a crowd is really getting down to some gabber, there's a pretty good chance they're not going to want to hear some melodic trance.
PREPROGRAMMING YOUR SETS ARE CRAP. There is no way around that, if you come to a gig with a set preplanned you do not deserve to ride the wheels. That's laziness, not "a lot of thought". If you're impressed by a dj that sat in his room and practiced mixing 12 records over and over for a week straight, you might as well just go play a cd in your car then go to a club.
There's a difference between memorizing your records, and memorizing a set list. When you memorize your records you're prepared for everything, what if you tag team with another dj, what if no one is digging your style that night, if you have a preplanned set you're fucked!
Look im not going to deny the fact that spinning takes SOME talent. However creating a tight, well produced, innovative piece of music is infinitely harder then mixing two records together.
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: coda]
#5418703 - 03/19/06 12:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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coda said: PREPROGRAMMING YOUR SETS ARE CRAP. There is no way around that, if you come to a gig with a set preplanned you do not deserve to ride the wheels. That's laziness, not "a lot of thought". If you're impressed by a dj that sat in his room and practiced mixing 12 records over and over for a week straight, you might as well just go play a cd in your car then go to a club.
There's a difference between memorizing your records, and memorizing a set list. When you memorize your records you're prepared for everything, what if you tag team with another dj, what if no one is digging your style that night, if you have a preplanned set you're fucked!
Look im not going to deny the fact that spinning takes SOME talent. However creating a tight, well produced, innovative piece of music is infinitely harder then mixing two records together.
Oh I totaly agree that preplanning sets is crap. I was just pointing out the reason alot of Dj's do it though. Everytime Im spinnin I just pull that next record that seems like its perfect for that moment. I havent got the chance to experiece playing for a crowd. Its just more of a hobby for me at the moment.
But Im gonna not even going to disagree with ya that producing is a bit harder. I've been trying to make my own tracks but they always turn out like crap. Theres so much much work that goes into a great song. An uplifting trance song alone has about 12 different layers of sounds/melodies at its peak moment in the song. So anybody who can organize it and make it flow perfectly deserves major props.
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Re: How do DJ's make Trance? [Re: Osker246]
#5425974 - 03/21/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i want to get into making some beats (or trance). i downloaded a demo version of FruityLoops Studio 6, but it is all so confusing on how to properly make a song and put it all together. i was wondering if someone with good knowledge could help me PM me).
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you use fruity loops for samples and as a ghetto sequencer. You create loops in fruity loops and then import them into other programs to manipulate and sequence.
Overall fruity loops is crap for production, BUT, its a ton of fun to play with. If you're looking to get your feet wet and learn the basics of production you cant beat acid. It's pretty easy to find ripped copies of, easy to use, and you can make some decent sounding tracks with it.
When you really want to get into production thats when you start buying hardware and step up to some real production programs. Buy yourself a sampler, a mixing board, a synth, maybe a drum machine, and then add in cubase and reason to your software collection. Both programs have some STEEP ass learning curves, but you wont get anywhere in the production world without learning them.
Production is a hefty investment if you want to get serious about it, id start saving up now if i were you
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