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Peyote_Princess
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Baby dreaming...
#5415600 - 03/18/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey there...
I mentioned in my intro thread in the pub that I've just started tripping and dreaming. I've yet to do shrooms though.
I'm really interested in the possibility for new perspectives / new insights into the world through the use ofpsychadelics - I wondered if any out there had enjoyed these kind of revelatory experiences, what they learnt and how it may have changed them.
Peyote_Princess xXx
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DICK
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shit wow, ive posted on the trip forum a couple of times...
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post5191994
scroll down to my 'deeper insight' post too... interesting stuff, or at least id like to think so :P
ive had other trips which well are just to complicated to put into words... but when im with buddies and were in the mood i love to talk about it... theyre all always like 'woah...' ha
and remember, use and respect the drugs.. dont abuse it.
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Peyote_Princess
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Re: Baby dreaming... [Re: DICK]
#5416251 - 03/18/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dude, that's an amazing sounding trip - what was it on? I thought what was particularly interesting was about a circle being infinite... it doesn't have a beginning, so then how can it have an end? But then, is something that's always existed more complicated for the human mind to fathom than a contingent being? Even as kids we're told about how stories ought to have a beginning, middle and end - but our own story, or the story of the universe doesn't involve that at all ... or maybe it does, and we're just frightened of finally discovering where we are in the timescale of the story... could we cope if we were found to be near the end.
So do you think God is best represented by a circle? Do you believe in God... did this trip change what you thought previously?
I'm thinking of doing my dissertation on religious experience, and whether they are 'of God' or 'of man' - so will be looking at different forms of inducing spiritual experience, including (providing my supervisor is okay with it) psychadelics... so any opinion or anecdotes on the subject are welcomed.
As for being a vagina: I can see where you're coming from. Though, even as a woman, I would dispute your assertion that we females are the ones to truly experience orgasm. And, besides, who can define what an orgasm feels like - sure, we can say what biologically happens, but surely that's different to how it feels? On top of that, sometimes orgasms feel different, even with the same partner, so this must indicate that though the same biological stuff is occurring, it is received differently...
On special K I was sure that I was a cushion as I lay on my bed; I was just sinking in, and all snuggled up - just like I was lying there, still and part of the bed. It was unlike anything I'd felt before - a total feeling of being part of my surroundings, detached from ego and all my human thoughts/hang-ups etc. I'd say it's made me a more relaxed person in genral actually, trying to take things, material things, less seriously.
Thanks for the link - I loved reading it!
Peyote_Princess xXx
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WeAreAllOne
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yeah, psychedelic revelations are great to have, but i'm a man of stoned epiphanies.
the small things, you know, like realizing the true meaning of the song Rooster.
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DICK
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shit thats the most complicated question ever.. i do believe there is a god, not because i have the need to believe there is someone vastly superior to us but because witout it nothing else would make sense
think about it
what worries me and god forgive me if what im saying is wrong is that everything is the way it is because it should be.
let me explain... everyting is in perfect balance, EVERYTHING
there is war because there is peace, there is love because there is hate, day and night, heat and cold, death and birth, good and evil, god and well its opposite... just like numbers and their opposites all in perfect balance
so it makes you think if there will be a sole 'winner' in this battle of earth huh?
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Peyote_Princess
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Re: Baby dreaming... [Re: DICK]
#5416811 - 03/18/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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DICK said: shit thats the most complicated question ever.. i do believe there is a god, not because i have the need to believe there is someone vastly superior to us but because witout it nothing else would make sense
think about it
what worries me and god forgive me if what im saying is wrong is that everything is the way it is because it should be.
let me explain... everyting is in perfect balance, EVERYTHING
there is war because there is peace, there is love because there is hate, day and night, heat and cold, death and birth, good and evil, god and well its opposite... just like numbers and their opposites all in perfect balance
so it makes you think if there will be a sole 'winner' in this battle of earth huh?
Or perhaps it i the state of flux, of change and of equilibrium which is the winner; the world is as it is - as it is supposed to be by things changing to maintain some sense of balance.
But do we just impose the order with our minds; is it a human construct - for humanity cannot cope with absolute chaos - read Peter L Berger for more on that, very interesting ideas.
Btw, I'm not expecting you, Dick, to come up with the radical answers (or anyone else) merely thoughts tossing around my head that I thought might create good discussion on this forum...
But hey, if anyone has the answers go for it...
But then, the answer to life, the universe aqnd everything = 42... we just haven't figured out the question as yet!!!
Peyote_Princess xXx
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Kaleidoscope
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here is a ramble on some of the ideas I came to through mushrooms:
"Why?" It's the one thing that is propelling human evolution right now. By asking questions, we further the advancement of our species. I'm sitting here writing this, knowing about the existence of quantum mechanics, electricity, atoms, and a world of things science has discovered that define reality as I know it. If I were here 300 years ago. My world would be very different. My reality would be much simpler and I would have much less to need to know. Life presents itself as an overcomplication of nothing. It is structured like a computer architecture. Viewed at face value we have reality and the abstraction under it is called science and the abstraction above it is called religion. Reality itself should not really exist though. It is paradoxical in nature. If there is one constant in existence, it's that there is no free lunch. You can not gain something from nothing. How then, did the universe, this expansive thing we run around in, living out our lives, come to be from nothing? It's all about the chicken and the egg. Which came first? You'll die before you figure that kind of a paradox out. That loop-like, circular logical relationship shows it's face in almost anything if you break it down far enough. If you break down the concept of matter it's there. What is matter made of? Atoms of course! What, pray tell then, are atoms made of? etc... Even once you get to pure energy...the question must be asked then, where did it come from and what the heck is it. The infinite nature of the universe itself is contradictory to a human being, as we impose a dualistic system on it. We always believe in extremes. We think that energy is one of those extremes. That it is an end all be all of complication, one of the simplist things that can exist. The funny thing about energy is, that it cannot be observed directly, one can only see it's effects on matter. Something happens, and we attribute it to energy with greater faith than any religious nut job has in their god. How do we even know that energy is a real part of the universe? Does it inherently exist? No, it does not. In fact pure energy is a non-existent thing. It can not be found, percieved, or measured. We just made it up to explain things that happen and to allow us to make equations and do math to study the universe and complicate it even more than it already is. Supposedly the universe started out as a tremendous amount of this so called energy which then condensed into matter. So basicly nothing existed at a singularity. Then that nothing condensed into something. That something ended up being reality. So you see, reality is a huge overcomplication of nothing. The world you and I live in, and the heavens it sails through are in fact nothing at all. That leaves one huge problem. Why am I here and able to ask questions if I'm nothing? The soul and the consciousness are separate from the nothing. They are something. They've always existed and always will exist. They cannot be destroyed. A fundamental law of the universe that is commonly accepted in almost all situations is that information cannot be destroyed. This stems from the nature of the soul and consciousness. Every living human possesses a soul and a consciousness. These came from the beginning where all was united in in one single large consciousness/soul which I consider to be what many religions are getting at with the concept of god or gods. Some how this one large consciousness/soul started to split. Creating individual souls and consciousnesses. Creating smaller, less advanced, consciousness/souls. Each of these had all of the knowlege of the primary unified consciousness, which was all the knowlege that was to be. This knowlege became clouded from the consciousness/soul. It was there, but inaccessable. As man seemingly became more advanced, he actually was becoming less and less advanced. As his species grew in number, the consciousness/soul split into smaller and smaller pieces. It's grasp on the truth of the way things are slipped more and more. "Science!" man proclaimed. He took it as his religion. He made it his mission to try to explain nothing at all, not realizing what he was. He has been very successful at complicating nothing with science. Straying further and further from the truth. Fortunately, man's science is running out. It's approaching it's ends. Soon there will be a great event. Perhaps we, as a species, will all die or perhaps we will all realize that we were once one, completely connected and not separate, and we will merge in some glorious form. What will happen I can't predict. But we are getting to the point where our science is coming 'round full circle. No longer are we trying to use our science to complicate and explain. There is no more invention of new concepts in science anymore. No one is scurrying about coming up with things like gravity, rather they are looking at how one formula could be used predict and explain everything. Now we use it to unify, to connect. We've started to reverse the cycle. The conscoiusness/soul is attempting to reveal to us the true nature of things. Nothingness. So through the above ramblings, I have established that reality is an illusion meant to allow each of us -- fractured, broken pieces of god -- to function. We exist here being born, living, dying, decomposing, and then being recycled in body, but for some reason, in consciousness and soul, we do not disappear. Information cannot be destroyed, All this stuff I perceive and store in my brain, all my memories, they cannot die with my body. They are not to be destroyed. All they can do is become refined. Being based on nothing, they can be simplified to just that. They do not cease to exist, they never existed in the first place. In a sense, order is the true entropy. Nothing is a hard thing to put into order. Since order and organization are a part of human nature, we assume that all things are existent based on some order. By trying to understand this place, we create an organized system of things to explain it. Things that don't inherently exist. In our eyes, there is a system to all things that must be adhered to for survival to be possible. There are rules, laws that cannot be broken that we have all come to believe as true and constant. Being based on nothing, they suddenly seem less applicable. They seem flimsy and weak. It is possible that they can be bent, or even broken. When this happens, and it does happen, we tend to dismiss it as not true or we just come up with new science to explain how the infraction was possible. What is needed is for people to realize that reality is not as binding as they think. The individual can separate from it temporarily to mentally accomplish things that are beyond his or her capabilities. Sometimes one can use this mental power and translate it into a physical force or an action that seems beyond what is possible. That's where you get these stories of people being able to perform superhuman feats. Psychic abilities, super-human strength, 6th senses, all of these stem from realizing the truth. The truth being that everything is nothingness.
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Purple haze, all in my brain, lately things just don't seem the same. Actin' funny but I don't know why, 'scuse me while I kiss the sky.
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inv3rse
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Kaleidoscope said: here is a ramble on some of the ideas I came to through mushrooms:
NICE MAN!!! 5 Shroomies for you!
-------------------- "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." "Strange memories on this nervous night in Las Vegas. Five years later? Six? It seems like a lifetime, or at least a main era - -the kind of peak that never comes again. San Francisco in the middle sixties was a very special time and place to be a part of. Maybe it meant something. Maybe not, in the long run, but no explanation, no mix of words or music or memories can touch that sense of knowing that you were there and alive in that corner of time and the world. Whatever it meant." Hunter S. Thompson.
Edited by inv3rse (03/18/06 07:05 PM)
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DICK
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Re: Baby dreaming... [Re: inv3rse]
#5416944 - 03/18/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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shit kaleidoscope... thats exactly what I encountered in one of my trips...
It went something like this... a voice told me I had to die to accomplish what I had to do.. go to the next 'level' I suppose. Because when youre dead you are nothing and when you are nothing you ARE something and when youre something youre EVERYTHING.
Of course I got scared shitless when I felt my heart stop and saw myself 'floating' away and my body lying on my bed 'dead' or dying with each passing second (by this time I felt I was no longer breathing and my pulse had ceased) so I pussied out of it and woke up ending my trip...
yeah... sucks
ha and princess... for some reason a number crossed my trip in which it told me when it was the end of it all... Again I pussied out of the info but I got a glimpse of the info and it ended with a digit 2 (maybe 12 or gasp! 42.. haha hitchhikers...) anyway get this, I saw the face of george bush forming on my wall with him holding one of those metal pendulum things (know what I mean?) each metal orb a world... ha.
Man, sometimes I think Im out of my head.. IM TOO YOUNG TO BE OUT OF MY HEAD!!
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