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PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it?
    #5415503 - 03/18/06 10:14 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I've read that using a PC on top of a flat top/ceramic stove may crack or damage it.... has anyone worked with this type of stove?

Is there anything you could do to too make it safe? some sort of external burner plate I could place on top?


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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: ChefMushroom]
    #5415504 - 03/18/06 10:16 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

My manual specifically states that the cooker CAN be used on ceramic, glass or induction-style cook tops. Where did you hear this information?


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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: Delinquentes]
    #5415505 - 03/18/06 10:17 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i think hes talking about cracking the ceramic stove. maybe not though


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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: ChefMushroom]
    #5415508 - 03/18/06 10:18 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

A loaded PC will either CRACK the surface, or burn out the electronics.
Start looking for a resturant or lab grade hot plate.


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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: agar]
    #5415510 - 03/18/06 10:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i usd my heavy duty autoclave on ceramic and ceran plates and to be honest
i seriously was worried about it crackig the thing as it was FUCKING heavy.

guess iw as lucky :smile:
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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: Delinquentes]
    #5415512 - 03/18/06 10:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

why would it be any diffrent than a pot of boiling water ?
the cooker will not get above 250f, BTW chef when your cooker gets up to presser you turn the stove down to just high anuff to keep 15 psi
my really big Pc (14 quart jars) runs my stone at 3.5 to keep 15 psi

on the other hand frying something in a skillet would be two times as hot or hotter


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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: Dem_Bones]
    #5415519 - 03/18/06 10:25 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I would rather be SAFE :grin:than SORRY :eek:
Those stoves cost $500+ bucks.


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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: agar]
    #5415535 - 03/18/06 10:35 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

afoaf of mine uses a propane burner like for a turkey deep fryer to run his pc b/c he was nervous about your same issue. only thing is the cost of gas. but that seems to not matter too much


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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: fungiamongi2]
    #5415546 - 03/18/06 10:43 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Didn't know you weren't supposed to but I have run my 16gt mirro on my flat top stove at least half a dozen times with no problems.


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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: 90accord]
    #5415611 - 03/18/06 11:20 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yes I was talking about cracking the stove surface, and yea those stoves are expensive. I was reading it in a cooking magazine.

@Delinquentes: What brand are you using that says it is ok??


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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: ChefMushroom]
    #5415750 - 03/18/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I also see there is a warning on this site for the All-American A-910 (10 qt.)

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Please note: This item is not recommended for use on Glass, Ceramic or Flat Top Stoves.

The weight of this canner may cause the glass/ceramic to break, also the diameter of this canner is larger than most burners, and may cause heat to transfer outward and damage the surrounding surface.




Found here: http://www.pressurecooker-outlet.com/910.htm


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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: ChefMushroom]
    #5415814 - 03/18/06 12:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

That warning is for an AA 910.
LOL, an AA 941 full of bags weighs about 76 to 80 lbs.


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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: ChefMushroom]
    #5415820 - 03/18/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Ya the AA manual specifically warns against using them on glass topped stoves because of the weight. At least my 930's manual does.


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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: cappa]
    #5415851 - 03/18/06 12:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

In that warning, what type of damage could be done with wider heat transfer "to the surrrounding surface"?


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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: ChefMushroom]
    #5415876 - 03/18/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

My bad. I didn't see your post Chef. The warning in the manual is the same as what you posted.

To answer your question though, it doesn't say 'what kind' of damage. Just damage.


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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: cappa]
    #5415893 - 03/18/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well maybe "just damage" is not so bad then. :wink: lol

How about this idea?  What about placing the pc somehow in the oven right above its burner or possibly on the burner supported somehow.... and leave the oven door open?


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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: ChefMushroom]
    #5415916 - 03/18/06 01:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

How about this idea...



Don't use your pressure cooker on a flat top stove!~



find some other type of heat source.

agar gave you some options...I'd listen to him if I was you.


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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: Roadkill]
    #5415952 - 03/18/06 01:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yes over burner = bad idea.

No way to control how much the oven burner will keep heating up, unless I hack its thermostat/sensor somehow.


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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: ChefMushroom]
    #5416173 - 03/18/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I use a propane burner that is packaged as a 'turkey cooker' at wally world. This way you get a nice 6 gallon stainless steel cookpot as well. It comes in really handy. It's downfall is you need to use it outside.


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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: cappa]
    #5417129 - 03/18/06 08:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

How about this? The little bottle should last 4 hours... I figure I could set it on both burners.
Coleman portable burner
$36 at fallapart stupidcenter


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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: ChefMushroom]
    #5417226 - 03/18/06 09:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I just got done using a 21qt AA PC on a ceramic hotplate.  Loaded fully with mycobags.


It's a lab grade burner though, and has never shown a problem in toting its load.  It's known as "PyroCream" Glass ceramic flat top.  I tried walmart-brand skillets/bruners, and even eyed my propane stove real hard, but this is it for me.  The walmart plates couldn't get my cooker up to pressure; even using a smaller 18qt PC.  I use this and a  porcelain lab-grade hot plate.    :thumbup: :thumbup:


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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: ChefMushroom]
    #5417334 - 03/18/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I PC all my stuff on a flat glass top stove using a Mirro 22 quart pressure cooker. I have never had a problem. Weight may be a concern if you're doing an excessive amount of bags, but I don't do more than 4 bags at a time.


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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: ChefMushroom]
    #5417446 - 03/18/06 10:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

ChefMushroom said:
How about this? The little bottle should last 4 hours... I figure I could set it on both burners.
Coleman portable burner
$36 at fallapart stupidcenter




That would be flimsy and underpowered. It would work, but wouldn't be a very elegant solution. My vote is for Cappa's idea of a turkey fryer type propane burner (they are cheaper if you can find just the burner, without the Turkey pot, etc.) Cheaper, stronger, and faster than a camp stove. Either can be used indoors, propane flames do NOT emit carbon monoxide (it's just compressed natural gas). But, you would have to find a non-flammable surface to use it on, and deal with propane bottles, the little ones are spendy, the big ones are a hassle.


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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: mogur]
    #5417695 - 03/18/06 11:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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mogur said:Either can be used indoors, propane flames do NOT emit carbon monoxide (it's just compressed natural gas).




This is VERY false. Burning propane not only consumes the available oxygen in a space, it does create Carbon Monoxide. Please do NOT burn one of these things in a house or apartment. Look up the number of deaths associated with propane heaters.

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Natural gas is a natural gas (mostly Methane)....Liquid Petroleum or LP gas is extracted from natural gas and petroleum production.


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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: Delinquentes]
    #5417821 - 03/19/06 01:09 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You are absolutely and positively wrong. I live in a house with propane everything. Stove, hot water heater, furnace, and clothes dryer. These are flames that are all open to the environment and my family is breathing them everyday in an extremely tight house. We are not dead. The combustion products of burning propane are carbon dioxide and water.

Only if the oxygen in the air is so depleted that there isn't enough to support complete combustion of the propane, can carbon monoxide be produced. This doesn't happen except in very unusual circumstances. If you ran a large, unvented space heater in a tiny closed bedroom overnight, you might run into problems, just as you would if you burned any carbon based fuel, such as alcohol or natural gas.

There are millions of people living in houses that are heated by propane, and have other, open propane flames, such as fireplaces, space heaters, dryers, and stove cook tops. You must be thinking of charcoal briquette grills, because they definitely are a monoxide producer and have killed many people. Propane is no more dangerous than natural gas. And that danger is primarily from leaks. I don't know where everyone is getting this propane paranoia.

I used to work for a heat processing systems company. The main products we manufactured were mixing tanks that took propane from tanks and mixed it with atmospheric air to yield a gas that is 100% compatible with natural gas equipment. These units were installed usually as a backup to natural gas for interruption sensitive industrial processes. In downtown Seattle, the natural gas lines used to get shut off fairly frequently, so our equipment would automatically kick in and provide uninterrupted supply.


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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: mogur]
    #5417840 - 03/19/06 01:34 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Have you ever wondered why those appliances have flue vents to carry the combustion gasses away from the inside of the home? The one exception might be the range top.

I am not thinking of charcoal grills. I am talking about a petroleum product in a state of incomplete combustion. Very few LP gas appliances are correctly adjust to optimize combustion. The air and fuel are mixed in a chamber with an adjustable plenum. The goal it to have a totally blue flame indicating clean, complete combustion. And type of yellow color indicating a poor air fuel mixture will cause incomplete combustion and production of carbon monoxide.

I know my gas fireplace has a vent to the out doors, it's code in this state, and across the nation as far as I know. If you live in a place that allows differently then I apologize.

Not to mention, the amount of moisture created during combustion woul become a problem over time.

I think thy make ventless gas heaters, but I, personally, prefer not to live in a chimney full of combustion gasses.


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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: Edgekrusher]
    #5418162 - 03/19/06 08:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Edgekrusher>
That looks nice !!  Can I ask about how much did you pay for that and where do you find that?  I've been searching and all I find is higher end stuff with electronics and high prices.

Edit: I can't find anything under 100 bucks.  For that I will just buy an older used stove out the paper.... damn my neighbor just threw his out -the burners worked but not the oven,  I could have had it for free !! :frown:



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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: ChefMushroom]
    #5418332 - 03/19/06 10:22 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

ChefMushroom. I tried flea market skillets and wal-mart stoves before I bought that. Wal-marts couldn't generate enough heat, neither could a toastmaster. It might work for you, but the 220v wiring to my grow-room is shabby and multiple electronics have a hard time running.

I suggest you check Ebay. With patience you can find yourself a lab-grade burner for $30 easy.


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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: ChefMushroom]
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Re: PC on ceramic/flat top stove - will it crack it? [Re: agar]
    #5418590 - 03/19/06 12:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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