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OfflineBaby_Hitler
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Should we eliminate the president?
    #5415332 - 03/18/06 08:11 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

By that I mean eliminate or significantly reduce the power weilded by the Executive branch of the Federal government?

I do. I think that's the first branch that needs trimming, then the Legislative, and lastly the Judicial.


Then start back over with Executive again.

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Re: Should we eliminate the president? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #5415367 - 03/18/06 08:37 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Baby_Hitler said:
By that I mean eliminate or significantly reduce the power weilded by the Executive branch of the Federal government?

I do. I think that's the first branch that needs trimming, then the Legislative, and lastly the Judicial.


Then start back over with Executive again.

Repeat until free.




First step would be having a one term limit and boosting the term itself up to 6 years or so. It's a major waste of time, energy, and money for an incumbent president to have to start campaigning after only a couple years into their term. It's not only a distraction from their actual duties but it also engenders pandering in the form spending and social bills being voted along strict party lines.


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Re: Should we eliminate the president? [Re: unbeliever]
    #5415381 - 03/18/06 08:48 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

We'll add that on as a rider on that bill.

What powers specifically should we take away from the presidency.


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Re: Should we eliminate the president? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #5415581 - 03/18/06 11:08 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

let us take away his kitchen staff.


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Re: Should we eliminate the president? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #5415594 - 03/18/06 11:13 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I would be all for giving the much of the bureaucratic powers back to the legislative branch. They shouldn't have been able to dump those powers on the executive in the first place.


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Re: Should we eliminate the president? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5415615 - 03/18/06 11:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

bureacracy goes hand in hand with the execution of orders, essentially what laws are. If you seek to dismantle bureacracy then the cause needs to be dealt with first.

The president is not really the issue in my opinion. Too much power is given to congress to decide and manufacture laws and policy. They are not held accountable to the "people" enough. Not enouigh people uinderstnad how the system works. They think by going out an voting once every four years they are discharging their patriotic duty, little do they know the real fight for personal freedom takes place when senators and reps are voted for. The masses are incredibly ignoranty of the system and therrefore fail to use it wisley or successfully.

If you limit the laws makers power then you effectively curtail the enforcers power.
The president is a show peice, he is actualyy given vey little power, just alot of pomp.
There are exceptions, cases whn he over steps his boundaries, some would hollar the wiretapping s an d things like this, but quite simply if he had propsed this to congress, he would have gotten it pushed through. He can hardly do nothing witout congressional endorsement.


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Re: Should we eliminate the president? [Re: mack_tasticlies]
    #5415664 - 03/18/06 11:54 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The president can send troops overseas. That's a pretty big power.


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Re: Should we eliminate the president? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5415685 - 03/18/06 12:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

only for 90 days without congressional support. Never in a state fo war. may be slightly inaccurate. The number of days may be different, don't have time to verify rigfht now, work.

Framers of the Constitution carefully laid out the decision-making process for war. Pursuant to the document, war is a decision to be made exclusively by the representatives of the people -- the Congress. Only Congress is authorized to declare war, raise and support armies, provide and maintain a navy, and make the rules for these armed forces. There is nothing vague or unclear about the language in Article I, ? 8, clauses 11-16


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Re: Should we eliminate the president? [Re: mack_tasticlies]
    #5415788 - 03/18/06 12:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well I definitely think we need way way shorter term limits for the house/senate too. None of thise life long senator crap. It foments stagnation, corruption and apathy. We need new blood in there.


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Re: Should we eliminate the president? [Re: unbeliever]
    #5415885 - 03/18/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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First step would be having a one term limit and boosting the term itself up to 6 years or so. It's a major waste of time, energy, and money for an incumbent president to have to start campaigning after only a couple years into their term. It's not only a distraction from their actual duties but it also engenders pandering in the form spending and social bills being voted along strict party lines.


Yes! I have believed this for a while, right down to the 6 year term.

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Well I definitely think we need way way shorter term limits for the house/senate too. None of thise life long senator crap. It foments stagnation, corruption and apathy. We need new blood in there.


Another Yes! The senators have becomce too Washingtonized.


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Re: Should we eliminate the president? [Re: DieCommie]
    #5415889 - 03/18/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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First step would be having a one term limit and boosting the term itself up to 6 years or so. It's a major waste of time, energy, and money for an incumbent president to have to start campaigning after only a couple years into their term. It's not only a distraction from their actual duties but it also engenders pandering in the form spending and social bills being voted along strict party lines.


Yes!  I have believed this for a while, right down to the 6 year term. 

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unbeliever said:
Well I definitely think we need way way shorter term limits for the house/senate too. None of thise life long senator crap. It foments stagnation, corruption and apathy. We need new blood in there.


Another Yes!  The senators have becomce too Washingtonized.




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Re: Should we eliminate the president? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5416024 - 03/18/06 02:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Why would you deny the people the right to choose their representatives? That is what term limits do, you know. If you don't think NYC would have been more than happy to keep voting Rudy in you're crazy. But they weren't given the choice. Term limits are anti-democratic.


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Re: Should we eliminate the president? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5416025 - 03/18/06 02:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Term limits are anti-democratic.



The US is not, nor was it ever intended to be, a democracy.


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Re: Should we eliminate the president? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5416042 - 03/18/06 02:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, yeah, yeah (watches Paradigm stroke his......chin). But it does have elected representatives chosen by the people and they should be able to choose pretty much anyone qualified for the job. One thing that should not disqualify someone is previous experience holding the job. Vote 'em in or vote 'em out. Or convict 'em. Prior experience should not be a bar to office holding. Now, if you want to talk term limits for appointees, that's a different pony.


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Re: Should we eliminate the president? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5416966 - 03/18/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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unbeliever said:
First step would be having a one term limit and boosting the term itself up to 6 years or so. It's a major waste of time, energy, and money for an incumbent president to have to start campaigning after only a couple years into their term. It's not only a distraction from their actual duties but it also engenders pandering in the form spending and social bills being voted along strict party lines.


Yes!  I have believed this for a while, right down to the 6 year term. 

Quote:

unbeliever said:
Well I definitely think we need way way shorter term limits for the house/senate too. None of thise life long senator crap. It foments stagnation, corruption and apathy. We need new blood in there.


Another Yes!  The senators have becomce too Washingtonized.




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Re: Should we eliminate the president? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #5416977 - 03/18/06 07:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

What do you want to bet that some NSA computer picked up the name of this thread and an investigation is now underway?


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Re: Should we eliminate the president? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5416992 - 03/18/06 07:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I reported it.


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Re: Should we eliminate the president? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5416998 - 03/18/06 07:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

How about if we get rid of term limits, but don't allow the president to run two terms in a row.

So then we could just have the same two people for president indefinitely.


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Re: Should we eliminate the president? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5417004 - 03/18/06 07:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I bet they're thinking "Damn, It's that fuckin Baby Hitler again."


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Re: Should we eliminate the president? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #5417574 - 03/18/06 11:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

what scares me(well, i guess they all do really) is the judicial. those fuckers keep their gig for life. i think it's bullshit that the pres, who's only there for 8yrs, can hire some cat who keeps his job for life.


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