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Invisiblemycophyl
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ATENTION EXPERTS! Are malted grains better?
    #541462 - 02/05/02 04:55 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

ok i was wondering if any one here could tell me what grain would be better for substrate regular or malted grains? it seems to me malted grains would have more nutriants avalable. i have seen malted barley ,malted wheat and malted rye in home brew stores . any thoughts?


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Re: regular grain or malted grains witch is better? [Re: mycophyl]
    #541971 - 02/06/02 02:26 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I remember reading an old post about someone having access to a large quantities barley malt for free and I believe he was probably using spent malt (why else would he have access to some for free?). He reported bad results and this is to be expected with spent malt, this would be akin to using spent substrate for a new batch of shrooms.

It does makes sense that malted grain should provide easily utilized nutrients for mushrooms, more easily utilized than whole, unmalted grain - that's why it's used for other fungi (yeast). It's also why malt is used in agar mixtures. The process of malting consists of soaking grain and then allowing it to sprout in a carefully controlled environment. The grain will only be allowed to grow to the point where enzymes are released and complex carbohydrates are broken down into simpler sugars and other enzymes start to break down proteins, the growth is then stopped by drying the grain before it starts to use the converted carbohydrates and proteins for further developement.

I'm currently experimenting with a combination of malted rye grain, finch seed and perennial rye grass all ground to flour and used in place of brown rice flour in the PF tech method.
I inoculated my substrate at about midnight on sunday with mycellium water from cambodians. I checked them Tuesday night at about 8:00 pm and they are already about 25% colonized. So far, I am very happy with the results.


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Re: regular grain or malted grains witch is better? [Re: ]
    #542416 - 02/06/02 01:30 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

sounds like an interesting expermint !post your results here , ANY MORE EXPERT OPINIONS OUT THERE?


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Re: ATENTION EXPERTS! Are malted grains better? [Re: mycophyl]
    #568219 - 03/03/02 03:06 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

any more of you experts have opinions on this subject?


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Re: ATENTION EXPERTS! Are malted grains better? [Re: mycophyl]
    #568999 - 03/03/02 10:30 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

yes, it would be convienent for him to do the experiment for you.


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Re: ATENTION EXPERTS! Are malted grains better? [Re: mycophyl]
    #570096 - 03/05/02 01:33 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I think it would be begging for wetspot.


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