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Questions about Smokable substances other than Hallucinogens
    #5414531 - 03/17/06 08:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I have much experience with hallucinogens, and smoked pot just about every day for about 5 years. I cant really do any of those drugs anymore including MJ. Basically, its because 160 trips and most importantly my last 2 day session with ayahuasca changed my level of sensitivity to all hallucinogens so greatly that when I smoke one hit of weed I get some pretty intense visuals, and one hell of a mind job for about 1.5-3 hours. SO, because I trip all day every day without drugs(this was very hard for me atfirst), I tend to never smoke pot, and certainly dont think I will ever touch another hallucinogen again. Im Ok with what ayahuasca did to me because I could never top that 24 hour long trip again, and would have no reason to. I learned so much, even in the months after, hell, its been two years and im still learning from it.

So, I love smoking things that change the way I see, think, feel. These days though, im looking for something that has almost zero potential to trip me out, but will get me physically high(few, if any cognative changes). Even suggestions about smokables that sort of act like alcohol and dull the effects of my day to day trip effect, would be greatly appreciated.
I know so much about hallucinogens, but know so little about things that in my pre-ayahuasca days, I wouldnt even care to try.

I do still love to get high but only in a stricktly non-hallucinogen sort of way, and have some minor sleep problems, (weed certainly doesnt help, opiates trip me out big time also, but alcohol sure does work). Id like to stay away from alcohol for a while. I think I have come to enjoy alcohol a little too much. I never used to drink.
Thus, the question at hand. What to smoke?



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Re: Questions about Smokable substances other than Hallucinogens [Re: stemmer]
    #5414661 - 03/17/06 10:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I need to know, what does a cup of coffee do to you like this?
A cup of coffee being more than just a stimulant would be interesting.


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Re: Questions about Smokable substances other than Hallucinogens [Re: Waffle]
    #5414741 - 03/17/06 11:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Thats a really good question Waffle. Im glad that someone with no advise, still has a good question.

Well, I trip off of it(a heavy trip compared to the one I experience every day while permanently sober). My mind races, I experience synesthesia, but with less visuals than if I had used Marijuana.
A Very annoying feeling really(unlike MJ which is still very interesting to me, but far to intense, and my heart just goes nuts after smoking a big hit and holding it in). I actually have even avoided all refined sugers for almost 2 years. Its a hell of a change, but boy do I feel healthy(my body feels/looks entirely different). I wouldnt even take a shot of pepsi unless you payed me, and still, if you didnt have more than 10 dollars, I wouldnt do the shot. It would just not be worth the strange and subtle trip that it provides.


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Re: Questions about Smokable substances other than Hallucinogens [Re: stemmer]
    #5414773 - 03/17/06 11:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Have you ever tried creating your own smoking blend? A friend of mine smokes sage (sounds really retarded to me) BUT she says it is relaxing, of course I can't find anything on it right now.


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Re: Questions about Smokable substances other than Hallucinogens [Re: Waffle]
    #5414828 - 03/17/06 11:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

That does sound like a good idea and I have though about the possibility of using a few herbs all at once.
Sage for a person like myself will have some effect beyond oxygen deprivation. It could be so simple in the way that the taste relaxes you. A very real and interesting effect. I dont know if there is any info about any active substances in sage. But I LOVE the smell, and know that it has its effects in that way.
I have tried heavy all natural tobacco, and that is relaxing.
I have smoked what I believe is called wormwood and that works in a way also. It really makes me think about blending some of these things together. As I do know the effects of them. Im just not sure how intense they would be for me post-ayahuasca. Ill have to try them seperately first.


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Re: Questions about Smokable substances other than Hallucinogens [Re: stemmer]
    #5414848 - 03/18/06 12:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Guh, I just smoked some leaves of a (maybe) mentholatum plant, harsh. I thought it would be smoother... :frown:

Also, I got nothing out of it.


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Re: Questions about Smokable substances other than Hallucinogens [Re: stemmer]
    #5414853 - 03/18/06 12:06 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Go to iamshaman.com and look at the first item under "Wormwood". I ordered this and will be trying the "Scottish Pipe Blend" in tea and smokeable form tomorrow, it is a combination of herbs that are slightly psychoactive.. hopefully I can report some good things...


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Re: Questions about Smokable substances other than Hallucinogens [Re: DrGeek]
    #5414915 - 03/18/06 12:37 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

HAs anyone tried lettuce opium, or anything that fits into the category of(stuff I dont really care to do again). If so, what was it like?


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Re: Questions about Smokable substances other than Hallucinogens [Re: stemmer]
    #5415397 - 03/18/06 09:03 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

If you're looking for something to ground you kanna might work. It's like the anti-psychedelic. I used it to help cure my depression and agoraphobia, which it did a great job of. After I felt better I quit using it because it made life seem so simple, things started getting boring. It can be potent, but chewing or smoking a pinch might dull your day-to-day trip. I once smoked a bowl during a LSA trip and it quite noticeably lessened the trips intensity. Despite the anti-psychedelic action of kanna, I still learned a lot from it.

Pedicularis Densiflora is a good smoke, feels a lot like the stoney/sedative side of marijuana, without the euphoria/mind alteration. Works pretty well for back pain. Other active, less potent pedicularis herbs exist.

A good opium lettuce extract can be quite potent. I don't know how to describe it, I guess it's a kinda drunkish/tranquilized feeling. I've only smoked it a couple times, both with weed, so I don't have a good grasp on it's effects yet. The first time I smoked it I went overboard and it was somewhat unpleasant. When I smoked opium lettuce dried herb I didn't feel any noticeable effects.

Black sopia resin is also a good smoke. Tastes great, smells great, not too harsh, mild yet noticeable effects, it's a nice sedative. It's pretty cheap I find it worth the price.

I've tried the brew once, so I kinda have an idea of what you're feeling.


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Re: Questions about Smokable substances other than Hallucinogens [Re: Neon]
    #5415699 - 03/18/06 12:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Stemmer, regardless of your stained reputation here and the differences in opinions we've had, I have to say that you do sound like an interesting person, whether it's a good interesting I'm not entirely sure, but reading your posts does seem to give me some insight into the life of the guy on the bus that people seem a little hesitant to sit by... I really hope you don't take that the wrong way and by no means am I implying that you're insane or that you are one of those people that others are affraid to sit next to on the bus, I'm just saying that you seem like you've learned to completely surrender to drugs and have accepted that you're merely a slave to your brain and it is not really *you* in control of yourself so to speak (if that's a little hard to follow I'd be glad to try to rephrase it) and by the sounds of it you're perfectly fine with it. I hope that didn't come across wrong, I tend to be bad at wording things carefully to get sensitive messages across without making them seem offensive, but well, the intention is there...

Anyways, that asside, many head shops sell scented/flavoured "marijuana substitutes" that don't actually do anything other than smell and taste nice... Otherwise Damiana can have a nice mild calming effect... I also like mugwort, not a fan of skullcap... I've read that hibiscus produces a calming buzz with a nice smell/flavour, maybe might wanna try passion flower unless you're like me and would rather just avoid MAOI's... But personally me all time favourite would have to be clove cigarettes... they're burning death, but they're cinnamon flavoured burning death...


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Re: Questions about Smokable substances other than Hallucinogens [Re: StickyWater]
    #5416054 - 03/18/06 02:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i smoke crack everyday, i just fuckin love it, its the shit. ok i dont know.


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Re: Questions about Smokable substances other than Hallucinogens [Re: oblivia]
    #5417065 - 03/18/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

So, stemmer, have the effects of your HPPD subsided any since they started? And if so, do you think it might be because you have gotten used to the everyday occurance?

I know these questions do not relate to the topic at hand, but I have a friend who was recently diagnosed by a Psychiatrist as having this disorder. She prescribed Zoloft and Dexetrin to help subside the symptoms of HPPD and said "The effects of this disorder will only diminish if the medication is used as prescribed.". I am just wondering if you have noticed a decrease in effects(w/out the use of OTC medication)...


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Re: Questions about Smokable substances other than Hallucinogens [Re: oblivia]
    #5417109 - 03/18/06 08:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Much Thanks to those who were giving some really good advise.

and said "The effects of this disorder will only diminish if the medication is used as prescribed". SHe has no Idea what she is talking about, I know this for sure. It is a well known fact that those drugs can help, but its not the only way, go figure she would skew the truth a bit.
The way I look at it, the after effects should almost be expected, and if you deal with them using drugs, you will not learn from what you have done to yourself. For example, Most people who take ayahuasca are told by the shaman that some of the best work done with this drug is in the following weeks and months.
My hppd has gotten alot better with time, and is partly due to the fact that I chose to learn from the after effects. They just became a part of me, so I did get used to them also. Although it is hard to feel so "at odds" with your own head. Dont get me wrong, some people have it REALLY bad, and might want medication. I had it Really bad, but I dealt with it, and I wouldnt have learned much about how natural this really is etc etc, if I had gone on meds.
Its kind of like recreating yourmind, even your body feels like it is reconstituting as the synesthesia slowely but surely goes away. Its metaprogramming at its finest.

Stickywater, I thank you also for the advise. Just so you know, its best to refrain from categorizing people as if you knew them, because you see how they act on the internet. The schoolbus reference was pretty funny. SOme people would take offence just for bringing up any previous ban etc. I however dont...
If I wanted a good name and good ratings I would have changed my name.
Lets be realistic, the way I act on this site is because I try to give good advise, and its also for my own entertainment, simple as that. SO I might occasionaly step out side the box and try to take on 4 really angry doinks who take me too seriously, and I will do nothing but add fuel to the fire. Why? because they are so serious about it that I usually find that its fun to fuck people like that. I dont pick fights, but I have been known to be pretty opinionated and find room for arguing.

When I say things like this im often told things like "were not here for your entertainment", which I think is funny because.... I am here for my entertainment.
I made an effort to stop speaking my mind so clearly because it has been known to offend people here. I also avoid any confrontation for the most part, and I certainlly wont flame people like I used to on occasion.
So putting me into some neat category just doesnt really jive, is all im saying. It always was, and still is for my own entertainment.


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Re: Questions about Smokable substances other than Hallucinogens [Re: stemmer]
    #5417183 - 03/18/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

passion flower is something that can be smoked i beleive. the way i know to use it is to boil the seeds and make tea. ive never done it but i read a trip report on it, some kids bought a bag of passion flower leaves and smoked them. i think they said it was like being high on mj but not exactly. i read this a long time ago. the PF tea is said to be very relaxing and makes a great night sleep.


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Re: Questions about Smokable substances other than Hallucinogens [Re: Serenity]
    #5417252 - 03/18/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

thanks for the input. I will have to always stay away from maois though, even the more unique and less potent ones.


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Re: Questions about Smokable substances other than Hallucinogens [Re: stemmer]
    #5417476 - 03/18/06 10:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

By no means was I catagorizing anyone as if I knew them just based off how they acted on an internet forum, and I desperately hope that the majority of this site wouldn't either, but that's not the point, was just merely stating that I find some of your posts about how drugs have affected your day to day life to be interesting. For the record though I wasn't particularily mentioning any past bans as I don't think I was on this site at that point and it never really occured to me...

Anyways, I know I mentioned this before but I would strongly suggest the mugwort for its dream enhancing effects. Being an almost religious weed smoker I don't think I've had a dream I've remembered after waking up for nearly a year if not more, I've found that the mugwort has helped remember some of the dreams and I deffinitely think it's worth checking out...


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Re: Questions about Smokable substances other than Hallucinogens [Re: stemmer]
    #5418166 - 03/19/06 08:46 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Why are you so eager to smoke something?
If you feel the need to put something into your body there are plenty of healthier ways man.

What is your life like in terms of physical health?

I noticed you said
'im looking for something that has almost zero potential to trip me out, but will get me physically high'

And I'm sure this isn't the advice you were expecting... but have you tried forms of exercise you enjoy? Working hard with your body will not only help you clear your respiratory/cardiovascular systems, but if you approach it correctly it will leave you feeling satisfied, even high.

I find, especially after I have long lulls of marijuana overuse, that exercise (I am a devote mountain biker, BMXer, runner, and an amateur olympic wrestler... but I by no means suggest these are the only options!) can provide me with feelings of health and well being, both psychologically and physically.



However, that being said... I've always wanted to try blue lily or blue lotus, and this plant seems to fit your criteria quite well- although it sounds like it's a better tea plant than a smoking plant.


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