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A good thought?
    #5413627 - 03/17/06 04:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Watch your thoughts, they lead to your words

Watch your words, they lead to your actions

Watch your actions, they lead to your habits

Watch your habits, they lead to your character

Watch your character, it leads to your destiny

Do you think this is true? If not, why?


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Re: A good thought? [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #5415203 - 03/18/06 05:40 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

True. Good post.


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Re: A good thought? [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #5415242 - 03/18/06 06:51 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

habit, and/or addiction?


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Re: A good thought? [Re: Gomp]
    #5415252 - 03/18/06 07:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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habit, and/or addiction?




Tendencies.... possibily addictions....

Unconscious behavior trends! :grin:

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Re: A good thought? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5415382 - 03/18/06 08:48 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

of course it's true!

all of our outward actions begin as inward musings.

As the shadow follows the body; As we think, so we Become!


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Re: A good thought? [Re: dr0mni]
    #5415646 - 03/18/06 11:42 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

We are who we pretend to be. That's what I believe.


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Re: A good thought? [Re: unbeliever]
    #5415657 - 03/18/06 11:51 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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We are who we pretend to be. That's what I believe.




I think we are who we are. This experience = ourselves.

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Re: A good thought? [Re: dr0mni]
    #5415668 - 03/18/06 11:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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dr0mni said:
As the shadow follows the body...




Nice analogy. :wink:

I forgot to answer the original question; it is a good thought. :wink:

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Re: A good thought? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5415674 - 03/18/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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unbeliever said:
We are who we pretend to be. That's what I believe.




I think we are who we are. This experience = ourselves.

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I like to phrase it that way to aknowledge how many masks people wear. Masks for work, masks for friends, masks for the wife/husband, masks for strangers. And there is nothing inherently wrong with that by any means. You kind of have to interact with people on different levels depending on context.

But if you pretend to be, say, a hardass gangsta thug.. even if you're really a momma's boy inside, that's irrelevant. From the perspective of everyone else you're that hardass, for better or worse.


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Re: A good thought? [Re: unbeliever]
    #5415714 - 03/18/06 12:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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I like to phrase it that way to aknowledge how many masks people wear. Masks for work, masks for friends, masks for the wife/husband, masks for strangers. And there is nothing inherently wrong with that by any means. You kind of have to interact with people on different levels depending on context.




This is true. :thumbup:

I think different aspects of our personality emerge in different situations, in interacting with different people naturally as a result of the fact that, through such interaction, we develop differently. Interaction produces change in all involved.

With that said, I start to wonder if it is masks that we assume or different faces that we grow. :laugh:

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But if you pretend to be, say, a hardass gangsta thug.. even if you're really a momma's boy inside, that's irrelevant. From the perspective of everyone else you're that hardass, for better or worse.




Certainly, other people that experience interacting with you form their own interpretations of who you are. These interpretations will never be complete and will never reflect you as you are, which is the culmination of all your experience, the interaction of this culmination with one's environment in the present moment, creating who you are, as you are (thus accumulating even further :nut:).

And the perspectives of others might not reflect who one is presenting themselves to be. A lot of people tend to view others through lens of preconceived notions - most people interpret others' behavior as if it was themselves behaving as such. Ever have that hateful, judgemental dude proclaim that it is you who is hateful and full of judgement? :smirk:

Some people might not form much of an identity for you at all, beyond a simple acknowledgement of the manners in which you have behaved as they have observed.

If it were only these interpretations of who you are that others hold, you would not exist. To them, you only exist as both their interpretation (within their minds, an abstraction) and their recollection of the sensory data they have perceived that they identify as being "you". Truly, you only exist as your experience, I think.  :mushroom2:

Please excuse my multi-faceted ramble. :nut:

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Re: A good thought? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5415777 - 03/18/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

No excuse needed. :cool:

I just happen to think that the most important part of life is other people. Specifically living in such a way as to help, promote, protect and appreciate the people around you. If you focus on helping your friends and family feel happy and loved that will come back to you.

From that I believe that our "outer self" is the true self. Because that's  the only output we have into the world. How we treat others is what defines who we are.


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Re: A good thought? [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #5416007 - 03/18/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

and BTW; I have to show where this is from..

no harm, intended, original poster.. but..

"A rabbi said watch your thoughts because the become your words. Watch your words because they become your actions. Watch your actions because the become your habits. Watch your habits because they become your character. And watch your character because it becomes your destiny."

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Re: A good thought? [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #5416217 - 03/18/06 03:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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BuddahKillah said:
Watch your thoughts, they lead to your words

Watch your words, they lead to your actions

Watch your actions, they lead to your habits

"Watch your habits, they lead to your character

Watch your character, it leads to your destiny

Do you think this is true? If not, why?




Everything that is was an idea, which became word, that became form. We are reality-creating organs. We take ideas from the "hyperdimensional-logos" AKA the human overmind, via creativity and our imagination to re-create those ideas in the 3rd dimension.

Word is very powerfull. You can build someone's self-image or destroy it. Words are also vibrations, and thus energy. Sounds can alter brainwaves, shatter glass...it's an energy we haven't fully rediscovered.


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Re: A good thought? [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #5417502 - 03/18/06 10:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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BuddahKillah said:
Watch your thoughts, they lead to your words

Watch your words, they lead to your actions

Watch your actions, they lead to your habits

Watch your habits, they lead to your character

Watch your character, it leads to your destiny

Do you think this is true?  If not, why?




You cannot change your destiny(you) by changing your thoughts, you must first change your destiny(you) in order to change your thoughts.  It's tough work.

Watch your destiny become your character
Watch your character and become your habits
Watch your habits and become your actions
Watch your actions and become your words
Watch your words and become your thoughts
Watch "your" thoughts and realize god

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Re: A good thought? [Re: Cherk]
    #5417773 - 03/19/06 12:32 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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You cannot change your destiny(you) by changing your thoughts, you must first change your destiny(you) in order to change your thoughts.  It's tough work.




Incorrect. It is this thought, right here, right now, that is inevitably responsible for every single resultant thought, ever.

Our thinking is a continual process, and it is rather foolish to think that one cannot effect the path of one's life by changing the thoughts that one is creating in this moment. In fact, it is the only manner in which one can direct one's life.

Perhaps it is tough work because you are trying to construct a skyscraper without any steel. :smirk: Changing one's thoughts, on the other hand, is quite effortless as long as one has claimed one's mind for one's own, and one remains consicously aware of oneself and one's mind.

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Re: A good thought? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5417794 - 03/19/06 12:47 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Incorrect. It is this thought, right here, right now, that is inevitably responsible for every single resultant thought, ever. 




There is no resultant thought.  This thought (here now) is eternity.  Disregard the illusion of space and time and you see that there is only one.  Thoughts are  synonmous with each other, all thoughts are the same "thought".  Investing your emotional/spiritual well being in what thoughts you have is what is foolish.  Complete surrender means no more trying to steer your "path" in this direction or that direction.  Tt takes complete faith, it's hard work.   

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Our thinking is a continual process, and it is rather foolish to think that one cannot effect the path of one's life by changing the thoughts that one is creating in this moment. In fact, it is the only manner in which one can direct one's life.





You do not need to direct, only be here now.  What happens if you stop directing?  What are you afraid of?  There is only here now, you have a place in the here now and only complete surrender will lead you to that place.   

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Re: A good thought? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5417802 - 03/19/06 12:52 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Directing entails a destination. This is counter intuitive to the entire be here now philisophy, no?


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Re: A good thought? [Re: Cherk]
    #5417824 - 03/19/06 01:11 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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There is no resultant thought.  This thought (here now) is eternity.  Disregard the illusion of space and time and you see that there is only one.




Indeed, but yet, in this eternal now, all aspects of reality constantly interact, which implies consistent change. Being aware of the here and now moment does not mean that everything freeze-frames. One thought, by its own right, certainly is free of any boundaries of space and time, but yet, one cannot deny the fact that change occurs within reality, which implies that there is a progression of time, which means that one thought inevitably leads to another.

The manner in which one conducts oneself in this moment naturally produces the manner in which we will interact with reality as it changes from that.

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  Thoughts are  synonmous with each other, all thoughts are the same "thought".  Investing your emotional/spiritual well being in what thoughts you have is what is foolish.




No one spoke of investing one's well being to lie contingent on one's thoughts. We are speaking of consciously choosing one's thoughts in order to change the path of one's life. That is precisely the purpose of one's mind, no doubt. No one ever referred to one's well being but yourself, which, obviously, should not rely on any thought in order to be fufilled. I'm interested in discussing the topic on hand, not blurring the point by creating new ones.

Analyze and understand the rhetoric that is ensuing from yourself, instead of merely spouting it.

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  Complete surrender means no more trying to steer your "path" in this direction or that direction.  Tt takes complete faith, it's hard work.




Any state that requires complete faith isn't worth obtaining. It isn't a matter of steering one's path, it is a matter of understanding reality for what it is, realizing the manner in which we interact with reality and what occurs as a result, and actively, consciously making the choice on how we act in order to benefit ourselves and our experience.

Since when is complete faith hard work? Do you mean, it is hard work to force one's mind resistance to actions it does not understand to be supressed, in order for one to exist with an ignorant bliss? Bringing awareness into oneself, the present moment, and to transcend one's illusory sense of self is an act of realization and understanding, not of strain and faith. :nonono:

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You do not need to direct, only be here now.  What happens if you stop directing?  What are you afraid of?  There is only here now, you have a place in the here now and only complete surrender will lead you to that place.   





I propose that I am completely aware of the present moment, as it is the only moment in which I exist. My fufillment and well-being is derived from my conscious awareness and not from any temporary aspect of myself or of reality. And yet, I recognize that, within this space that my experience is, there is a great list of potential oppurtunties of what my experience will be, and that I have a power to act. Within my present moment, of which I am quite aware, directly perceiving reality and my experience, I can act, which inevitably produces more actions as a result.

The concepts that you promote do not negate the nature of reality. It seems as though you are trying to discuss a topic with concepts that do not apply, that are not within the same realm, that address one's awareness of one's experience and not the mechanisms by which we influence that experience. I will allow you some time to review your thoughts and to try to understand them. :wink:

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Re: A good thought? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5417843 - 03/19/06 01:36 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Indeed, but yet, in this eternal now, all aspects of reality constantly interact, which implies consistent change. Being aware of the here and now moment does not mean that everything freeze-frames. One thought, by its own right, certainly is free of any boundaries of space and time, but yet, one cannot deny the fact that change occurs within reality, which implies that there is a progression of time, which means that one thought inevitably leads to another.




Interaction entails duality.  If all is one, then what is there to interact?  The only "interaction" taking place is the illusion of interaction caused by the enternal moment existing on this illusioned plane.  No change occurs, the only change is your refusal to accept everything as one. 

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The manner in which one conducts oneself in this moment naturally produces the manner in which we will interact with reality as it changes from that.





Again, why the conducting?  Where are we going?

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No one spoke of investing one's well being to lie contingent on one's thoughts. We are speaking of consciously choosing one's thoughts in order to change the path of one's life. That is precisely the purpose of one's mind, no doubt. No one ever referred to one's well being but yourself, which, obviously, should not rely on any thought in order to be fufilled. I'm interested in discussing the topic on hand, not blurring the point by creating new ones.





If we are not emotionally/spiritually invested in what thoughts we have then what reason can you give for trying or wanting to change them? 





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Do you mean, it is hard work to force one's mind resistance to actions it does not understand to be supressed, in order for one to exist with an ignorant bliss?





Exactly :thumbup:  Ignorance can not exist without enlightenment and vice versa.  You must accept everything about yourself.  You are the scum of the earth.  You are a god among men. 


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I propose that I am completely aware of the present moment




propose: To put forward for consideration

Then why the need to discuss and explain yourself?


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Re: A good thought? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5417845 - 03/19/06 01:40 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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The concepts that you promote do not negate the nature of reality. It seems as though you are trying to discuss a topic with concepts that do not apply, that are not within the same realm, that address one's awareness of one's experience and not the mechanisms by which we influence that experience. I will allow you some time to review your thoughts and to try to understand them. :wink:




What I'm saying is that one's awareness is the way we influence "the mechanisms by which we influence that experience".  Thinking is just a giant insecurity.  Refusal to let go.  Thinking is different from experiencing thought no?


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Re: A good thought? [Re: Cherk]
    #5417870 - 03/19/06 02:00 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Interaction entails duality.  If all is one, then what is there to interact?  The only "interaction" taking place is the illusion of interaction caused by the enternal moment existing on this illusioned plane.  No change occurs, the only change is your refusal to accept everything as one.




The absence of any conceptual lens through which we perceive reality will reveal that our senses do register change in that which our sensory devices collect information from. Remove the concept of "everything is one", directly perceive reality, and one will find that change occurs. The nature of our experience implies it. Conceptual understandings that result must reflect this  fundamental perception.

One can declare that the only distinctions and lines of seperation amongst phenomenon are arbitrary, and, indeed, they are, but yet, there you have it, reality has different aspects that interact and change. Interpret that through whatever higher, enlightened perspective you wish, but it is the nature of reality.

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Again, why the conducting?  Where are we going?




The awareness of our experience isn't going anywhere, it is constantly present and not dependant on our experience, but yet, reality implies that our experience is transitory, and the nature of our mind and our thoughts is such that we choose to act, influencing the transition of that experience.

"We" depends on that which you are identifying with as "we". I prefer to identify with my consciousness, but to recognize that this consciousness is interfacing with reality in order to produce experience. That which we are conscious of is as much "us" as our consciousness, as our consciousness is responsible for producing it.

Why do we conduct? To claim our birth-right as an instrument of change. One can float in the clouds, experiencing solely their consciousness, applying it to nothing, but yet reality ensues, and the middle path is truly the one to follow.

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If we are not emotionally/spiritually invested in what thoughts we have then what reason can you give for trying or wanting to change them? 




To benefit others and their realization of the nature of their awareness, essentially. One does not have to derive any sense of emotional fufillment from an activity in order to prefer to concern oneself with it.

If you are not emotionally/spiritually invested in making these replies, then why do you do so?


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Exactly :thumbup:  Ignorance can not exist without enlightenment and vice versa.  You must accept everything about yourself.  You are the scum of the earth.  You are a god among men.




Your response does not address my question. Regardless of acceptance, you reply with "exactly", that it is hard work to force one's mind to supress itself in order to obtain a state of ignorant bliss, which you also state is necessary in order to center in the now, or whatever.

I proclaim that it is through awareness that one centers one being within the here and now moment, and that this is done through realization, actively transforming the mind to be conducive to the experience within the now, not neglecting the mind and repressing its objections to blindly accepting something by faith alone.


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propose: To put forward for consideration

Then why the need to discuss and explain yourself?




One would ask you the exact question. To promote understanding? To engage in conversation, interaction, in order to produce change within all involved aspects of reality? You seem to conclude that centering within the here and now is the end to interaction with reality, I propose that you do not understand the nature of the concepts you display, and that the fact that you participate in this thread contradicts your assertions.

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Re: A good thought? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5417878 - 03/19/06 02:06 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'll be back tomorrow.


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Re: A good thought? [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #5417896 - 03/19/06 02:28 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

...A hunter has no habits...and all actions are personal history...


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Re: A good thought? [Re: Cherk]
    #5417907 - 03/19/06 02:43 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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I love you :heart:




Of course you do, its me. :smirk:

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Re: A good thought? [Re: Cherk]
    #5420012 - 03/19/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"Directing entails a destination. This is counter intuitive to the entire be here now philisophy, no?"

Smoker for Peace is spot on here in my opinion. No growth, only surrender. Full trust in the moment keeps the value unfixed and flowing.

"The road to nakedness is not positive thinking, which may create healthier ways of thinking and living. Positive thinking is still a disintegrated state in which there is separation between thinker and ideal. The seeker has still not found the person seeking. More powerful than positive thinking is a calm mind. More powerful than a calm mind is naked silence. Silence beomes our dearest friend to turn to in times of confusion. Silence guides us to act in grace. Time stops. Magic happens.

Trying to remain positive can be very stressful."


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Re: A good thought? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5420562 - 03/19/06 09:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Keep transforming the mind to be conducive to the here and now and eventually there will be nothing or very little seperating you from the eternal moment.  It is the next step. 

We have different understandings of what consciousness us and we are both correct.  You believe conciousness interacts with reality to bring us experience while I believe experience interacts with reality to bring us consciousness.  The difference is subtle yet it is huge. 

Centering on the here and now is different from being here now. 

I'll leave with this passage from the Tao Te Ching

"Heaven is long, Earth enduring

Long and enduring
Because they do not exist for themselves

Therefore the sage
Steps back, but is always in front,
Stays outside, but is always within.

No self-interest?
Self is fulfilled"

Another one

"Hold and fill it-
Not as good as stopping in time.

Measure and pound it-
It will not long survive.

When gold and jade fill the hall,
They cannot be guarded.

Riches and pride
Bequeath error.

Withdrawing when work is gone:
Heaven's Tao."

Now it is time to hit the Bourbon :wink: :heart:


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I have considered such matters.

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