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Re: A good thought? [Re: Cherk]
#5417870 - 03/19/06 02:00 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Smoker For Peace said: Interaction entails duality. If all is one, then what is there to interact? The only "interaction" taking place is the illusion of interaction caused by the enternal moment existing on this illusioned plane. No change occurs, the only change is your refusal to accept everything as one.
The absence of any conceptual lens through which we perceive reality will reveal that our senses do register change in that which our sensory devices collect information from. Remove the concept of "everything is one", directly perceive reality, and one will find that change occurs. The nature of our experience implies it. Conceptual understandings that result must reflect this fundamental perception.
One can declare that the only distinctions and lines of seperation amongst phenomenon are arbitrary, and, indeed, they are, but yet, there you have it, reality has different aspects that interact and change. Interpret that through whatever higher, enlightened perspective you wish, but it is the nature of reality.
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Again, why the conducting? Where are we going?
The awareness of our experience isn't going anywhere, it is constantly present and not dependant on our experience, but yet, reality implies that our experience is transitory, and the nature of our mind and our thoughts is such that we choose to act, influencing the transition of that experience.
"We" depends on that which you are identifying with as "we". I prefer to identify with my consciousness, but to recognize that this consciousness is interfacing with reality in order to produce experience. That which we are conscious of is as much "us" as our consciousness, as our consciousness is responsible for producing it.
Why do we conduct? To claim our birth-right as an instrument of change. One can float in the clouds, experiencing solely their consciousness, applying it to nothing, but yet reality ensues, and the middle path is truly the one to follow.
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If we are not emotionally/spiritually invested in what thoughts we have then what reason can you give for trying or wanting to change them?
To benefit others and their realization of the nature of their awareness, essentially. One does not have to derive any sense of emotional fufillment from an activity in order to prefer to concern oneself with it.
If you are not emotionally/spiritually invested in making these replies, then why do you do so?
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Exactly Ignorance can not exist without enlightenment and vice versa. You must accept everything about yourself. You are the scum of the earth. You are a god among men.
Your response does not address my question. Regardless of acceptance, you reply with "exactly", that it is hard work to force one's mind to supress itself in order to obtain a state of ignorant bliss, which you also state is necessary in order to center in the now, or whatever.
I proclaim that it is through awareness that one centers one being within the here and now moment, and that this is done through realization, actively transforming the mind to be conducive to the experience within the now, not neglecting the mind and repressing its objections to blindly accepting something by faith alone.
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propose: To put forward for consideration
Then why the need to discuss and explain yourself?
One would ask you the exact question. To promote understanding? To engage in conversation, interaction, in order to produce change within all involved aspects of reality? You seem to conclude that centering within the here and now is the end to interaction with reality, I propose that you do not understand the nature of the concepts you display, and that the fact that you participate in this thread contradicts your assertions.
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I'll be back tomorrow.
I love you
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...A hunter has no habits...and all actions are personal history...
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Re: A good thought? [Re: Cherk]
#5417907 - 03/19/06 02:43 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Smoker For Peace said: I love you
Of course you do, its me. 
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Re: A good thought? [Re: Cherk]
#5420012 - 03/19/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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"Directing entails a destination. This is counter intuitive to the entire be here now philisophy, no?"
Smoker for Peace is spot on here in my opinion. No growth, only surrender. Full trust in the moment keeps the value unfixed and flowing.
"The road to nakedness is not positive thinking, which may create healthier ways of thinking and living. Positive thinking is still a disintegrated state in which there is separation between thinker and ideal. The seeker has still not found the person seeking. More powerful than positive thinking is a calm mind. More powerful than a calm mind is naked silence. Silence beomes our dearest friend to turn to in times of confusion. Silence guides us to act in grace. Time stops. Magic happens.
Trying to remain positive can be very stressful."
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Keep transforming the mind to be conducive to the here and now and eventually there will be nothing or very little seperating you from the eternal moment. It is the next step.
We have different understandings of what consciousness us and we are both correct. You believe conciousness interacts with reality to bring us experience while I believe experience interacts with reality to bring us consciousness. The difference is subtle yet it is huge.
Centering on the here and now is different from being here now.
I'll leave with this passage from the Tao Te Ching
"Heaven is long, Earth enduring
Long and enduring Because they do not exist for themselves
Therefore the sage Steps back, but is always in front, Stays outside, but is always within.
No self-interest? Self is fulfilled"
Another one
"Hold and fill it- Not as good as stopping in time.
Measure and pound it- It will not long survive.
When gold and jade fill the hall, They cannot be guarded.
Riches and pride Bequeath error.
Withdrawing when work is gone: Heaven's Tao."
Now it is time to hit the Bourbon
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I have considered such matters. SIKE
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