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inoculatedGreif
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mycro supply bags VS. jars?
#5413378 - 03/17/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I read the post the guy was asking about mycro supply, and Ive never realy looked into it. What is the benifits of myc. supply bags, and the downfalls. And whats the ben. with jars, and down falls?
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Snaggletooth
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16'sealer 

More bags then I know what to do with..... 

I have the Sealer right next to the PC and when I open it I immediately seal them.......
Don't open the bags or anything.....
This is how I close the bags during PC, I then cover it with tinfoil.......




Thees are fresh out of the PC 

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kwikness
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Re: mycro supply bags VS. jars? *DELETED* [Re: Snaggletooth]
#5413513 - 03/17/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Snaggletooth
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Re: mycro supply bags VS. jars? [Re: kwikness]
#5413564 - 03/17/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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no self sealing injector port, I use tape, clean it with alcohol, tape holds just fine.
One advantage of bags is there size and the filter, which also means there are other tek you can try besides WBS/Rye.
Also much easier to mix it during colonization.
I never liked jars, and slowly move away from them
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Re: mycro supply bags VS. jars? [Re: kwikness]
#5413566 - 03/17/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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its a bag... inject somewhere and put some tape over it. the main advantage is that you can put more bags in a PC beucase there is no wasted space between jars.
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Re: mycro supply bags VS. jars? [Re: skeletor]
#5414262 - 03/17/06 06:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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skeletor said: its a bag... inject somewhere and put some tape over it. the main advantage is that you can put more bags in a PC beucase there is no wasted space between jars.
Actually, you want some space between the bags so that the steam can get around inside the PC. The less open space, the longer you have to PC.
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skeletor
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Re: mycro supply bags VS. jars? [Re: FooMan]
#5414265 - 03/17/06 06:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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well ya i didnt' mean jam them all in there. but its not like you have the wasted space that you do with using mason jars.
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Re: mycro supply bags VS. jars? [Re: skeletor]
#5415299 - 03/18/06 07:39 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bags have nothing but advantages! They rock for any serious growers!!!!
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Re: mycro supply bags VS. jars? [Re: hyphae]
#5415413 - 03/18/06 09:23 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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With bags, if you put all of your eggs in one basket (only do one bag worth of spawn at a time) and it contaminates, well, you get to start over. If you do the same amount of spawn, but in jars: if a jar or two contams, you still have spawn, and can continue your grow.
That is the only disadvantage I can see with bags. Of course you correct that problem by using many bags. 
Edited: Re-worded to make more sense.
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hyphae
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Re: mycro supply bags VS. jars? [Re: cappa]
#5415471 - 03/18/06 09:56 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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What? what if ya did only one jar like ya did one bag? Sorry but you made no mycosense on that one but hey ya got another post under your belt! LOL
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Re: mycro supply bags VS. jars? [Re: hyphae]
#5415533 - 03/18/06 10:34 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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hey all couple Questions?
1st. Where do you all order your bags? 2nd. what is the most common substrate for bags, can I get good results with BRF and verm
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inoculatedGreif
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Re: mycro supply bags VS. jars? [Re: BostonSteamer]
#5415541 - 03/18/06 10:41 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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You can purchase em from mycrosupply.com(I think thats what its called.) and you could probly use brf, verm. But ive heared hpoo, and vermiculite works wounders. increses potency, and yeild.-------
I guess my main question about mycro bags is, will it decrease the yeild, or increase or is it about the same. and can you case with mycro bags? or do you have to fruit it in the bags?
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inoculatedGreif
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also how much would six mycro bags produce?
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inoculatedGreif
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Anybody, anybody??
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bluemawkishness
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I am also moving away from jars just growing with bags. It is easier to produce big amounts of spawn for big casings, needs much less work. On the other hand it needs some experience to work with them. Jars are easier for beginners and the waste is much smaller in case of contamination. Beginners I definitely would advise to work with jars.
Just a a hint: during colonization, I sometimes cut the bag approx. 1 inch (2.5 cm) with a sterile knife under the hepa flow-hood for air exchange (press and widen the bags). After this I put some adhesive tape over it. This drastically accelerates the growth of the mycelia
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Re: mycro supply bags VS. jars? [Re: BostonSteamer]
#5421316 - 03/20/06 05:25 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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BostonSteamer said: hey all couple Questions?
1st. Where do you all order your bags? 2nd. what is the most common substrate for bags, can I get good results with BRF and verm
1. I get mine from themadseason. They seem to be the cheapest that I have found online.
2. Yep, I'd use the same ratio 2:1:1 - Verm:BRF:water, but the more you use, the longer colonization will take. I'd recommend using an LC for inoculation.
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Re: mycro supply bags VS. jars? [Re: FooMan]
#5421329 - 03/20/06 05:44 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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You can make your own bags using just about any bag that will survive in the PC.
Put your substrate in, and then close the top, fill it with polyfill, and throw a rubberband over it, or tie it tight. Then innoc right through that. Theres a tek on it someplace..
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Re: mycro supply bags VS. jars? [Re: Citric]
#5421746 - 03/20/06 09:36 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: mycro supply bags VS. jars? [Re: Citric]
#5422030 - 03/20/06 10:59 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Making your own bags is cool, but as cheap as the pre-made bags are, I don't see the need.
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Asc1189
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Re: mycro supply bags VS. jars? [Re: FooMan]
#5422162 - 03/20/06 11:41 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here is a question for you guys. If you normally have been using jars and then go to bags, is there a difference in the amount of time in the colonization time from the jars to bags. I figure it would take longer to colonize in the bags than in the jars. Is this true?
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bluemawkishness
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Re: mycro supply bags VS. jars? [Re: Asc1189]
#5422261 - 03/20/06 12:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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my experiences so far:
if you just let them stay around somewhere an wait for colonialization, it will take longer.
if you help a bit, it doesnt take much longer. They need to be remixed/shaken after 3 or 4 days when they started colonization. Additionally I give them fresh oxygen under hepa about every two days thru a small cut with a steril knife where I put some adhesive tape over after. This way they are completely colonizated after approx. 10 days.
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Asc1189
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Additionally I give them fresh oxygen under hepa about every two days thru a small cut with a steril knife where I put some adhesive tape over after. This way they are completely colonizated after approx. 10 days.
Can you please explain this a lil bit more. I understand shaking them, but the air exchange is what I am not understanding.
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bluemawkishness
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Re: mycro supply bags VS. jars? [Re: Asc1189]
#5422341 - 03/20/06 12:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I put the bag under the hepa, where the air is steril. Then I make a small knife steril under the alcohol flame and cut a small hole into the bag, wehre I desinfected before with alcohol. Then I press and widen the bag several times, so that the air from inside the bag gets exchanged. After this I put some adhesive tape over the cut to keep the inside of the bag steril, before I take it out of the hepa.
Especially once colonization started, when the spawn needs much oxygen, this greatly accelerates colonization.
I hope you can understand my english and that the idea is clear now.... its not my motherlanguague
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Asc1189
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I think I might try this out. Never have experimented with bags before. How long on PC?
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bluemawkishness
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Re: mycro supply bags VS. jars? [Re: Asc1189]
#5422491 - 03/20/06 01:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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PC, I let them 2 hours and that was so far ok
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How about reusability? Can you reuse bags like you can jars?
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Asc1189
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Re: mycro supply bags VS. jars? [Re: BMArts]
#5422528 - 03/20/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wouldnt. Its probably alot easier to clean jars than what it would to a bag. And besides there really cheap. Id just throw em away and grab a new one.
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bluemawkishness
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Re: mycro supply bags VS. jars? [Re: BMArts]
#5422539 - 03/20/06 01:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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reusability ?
I doubt if this is possible. At least the bags that i use get much crinkly after using once. I thought about reusing as well, but then I never dare it. Maybe there are stronger bags available as well which you can reuse
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Asc1189
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I think reusable and contaimination would get along very well. Dont you?
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Re: mycro supply bags VS. jars? [Re: Asc1189]
#5422551 - 03/20/06 01:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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probably... but it is definetly a factor going for jars. They are cheap yes, but still every little bit adds up and having jars that you can use over and over again is definetly an advantage to having to order bags every so often
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Re: mycro supply bags VS. jars? [Re: Asc1189]
#5422560 - 03/20/06 01:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Asc1189 said: I think reusable and contaimination would get along very well. Dont you?
The integrity of the bags would be my main concern, not contamination. I mean, you reuse jars over and over again without worrying that they will contaminate simply because they've been used.
Bottom line, if you find bags capable of holding up through multiple runs in the PC, all you have to do is wash them out to reuse them. You sterilize everything all over again, so any contaminants would be killed in the PC anyways.
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Re: mycro supply bags VS. jars? [Re: BMArts]
#5422564 - 03/20/06 01:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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there is the risk that in the crinkly surface, the bags might get small holes, maybe very small ones, that you dont even see or feel, but there certainly contaminations can enter...
So i prefer not to reuse, I think its not worth the risk
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tiny_rabid_birds
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But that's just like I said, the low integrity of the bags. If it develops small holes, then it obviously cannot withstand multiple runs in the PC.
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inoculatedGreif
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trd, wht do you use? bags or jars?
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Both. Bought jars in the beginning, but I still have them, so I'll use them when I'm not planning on doing a big project. If I'm going big, I use filter patch bags from themadseason, with a blot of silicone on it to act as a self-healing injector site.
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inoculatedGreif
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do they have a web site?
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