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wilshire
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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: Annapurna1]
#5416892 - 03/18/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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that isn't how it works either. cite your evidence. where on that site does it talk about the starvation and forced work? it's not my job to go combing for it.
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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: wilshire]
#5416918 - 03/18/06 07:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mind you that site is of a group who is trying to combat Guantamino. It'd be better to have a neutral source, not a biased on liek that.
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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: Freeker]
#5416945 - 03/18/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i'll take whatever. there is absolutely nothing out there, from any source, to support annapurna1's silly claim that conditions at guantanamo are identical to the conditions that existed at auschwitz. i don't understand why she is unable to simply acknowledge that her claim was incorrect and move on. it's nothing to be ashamed of. this continuing nonsense on the other hand is.
this could actually be a good thread. there are interesting questions to ponder here and i wonder what people here have to say on the subject. what do we do about guantanamo bay? what do we do about captured terrorist-allied fighters?
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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: wilshire]
#5417142 - 03/18/06 08:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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they are not identical in ways which i have already explained...but i stand by what i said that they are indeed identical apart from those...
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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: downforpot]
#5417289 - 03/18/06 09:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I didn't. I chose one. I would rather die than have the shit kicked out of me periodically and essentially live the life of a prisoner. That is, the innocents who are held at Guantanamo.
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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: bukkake]
#5417390 - 03/18/06 10:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bukkake, you don't just die in Nazi death camps, you are experimented on... Worked to death. So if you want a quick death, kill yourself before they catch you.
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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: downforpot]
#5417404 - 03/18/06 10:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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actually..in a nazi death camp..if they didnt let you just jump in the left-hand queue..then you could electrocute yourself on the perimetre before "playtime"...
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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: Annapurna1]
#5417829 - 03/19/06 01:16 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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So they don't experiment on you? Damn, what a rip off.
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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: Annapurna1]
#5421546 - 03/20/06 08:27 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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People too easily talk about the nazi death camps, without actually realizing what actually happened there.
In order for history NOT repeating itself and being alert for warning signs we have to know. Know what monstrocities humanity is capable of, and know that "evil is among us".
Please read the following text and try to imagine what it was like:
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At Treblinka, arriving train passengers were savagely pulled from the train, separated by sex, and ordered to strip naked. In winter, the temperature often dropped to -5 ?C (25 ?F). The guards chose who would go to the "infirmary". The technique was to rush the whole process while beating everyone so nobody would have the chance to resist. The guards would first whip the men and force them to run uphill through the thirteen feet wide funnel all the way to the gas chambers. The men were locked in and asphyxiated with carbon monoxide from two captured Soviet tank engines. Making them run also raised their heartbeat, which made the process go faster (Lanzmann). It took thirty to forty minutes, then the "Jews of death" unloaded the dead and cleaned the chambers. Then the women were rushed in, and everyone was crammed as much as possible. The children that were "thrown into the chambers hit the ceiling and then, disfigured, sometimes with broken heads, fell on the heads of the prisoners."11
When the gassing was in progress, begun with a "Ivan, water!" by one of the guards, the prisoners screamed and pounded on the walls. There was a little peephole so the soldiers could see if the prisoners were dead yet.10 While the men were being gassed, the women were waiting naked in the funnel. They could hear their fathers, husbands, and sons dying. They experienced the "death panic", which caused them to empty their bowels involuntarily, because of the fear of imminent death. The ground in the funnel was covered with piles of excrement afterwards.12
When the doors were opened, "the disfigured, bitten prisoners, with ears torn off, lay on top of each other in the most varied posture." The bodies were then carried to the furnace to be burned. Sometimes, the people were not dead and began to revive in the fresh air, especially pregnant women. They were shot by the guards and burned like the others. Some 800-1000 bodies were burned at the same time. They would burn for five hours. The incinerator was operated twenty-four hours a day.13
The killing centers had no other function. They were not part of the war effort, so the prisoners were just killed as soon as possible.
Source: Wikipedia, Treblinka extermination camp entry
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If you look at this, guantanamo bay cannot be compared to it in any way. Guantanamo is a camp for political prisoners while nazi death camps were "ashes factories".
I didnt vote, because you cannot compare the two or choose without doing injustice to the other side's victims.
But make no mistake: the worst guards of both camps are the same kind of people. The Germans weren't evil as a people, but like in all of humanity evil people were among them.
A death camp guard was in the habit of snatching babies from their mother's arms, grab them by the legs and bust their skulls open against a wall, then pushing the dead baby back into the mothers arms and then shoving her into the gas chamber. "evil" exists, and I don't mean that in a mythological way.
I feel that we HAVE to know. It does honor to the nameless victims and is the best possible assurance that the people will not allow such atrocities ever again.
Please download the attached PDF. It's a small booklet wherein a death camp inmate describes the *reality* of his year in that camp. You probably have not heard a concentration camp survivor tell the full story of what really happened, but this survivor's tale will give you a strong first impressions of the realities of death camps. It's a very upsetting read, but it will be time well spent.
In a death camp I would upon arrival immediately be taken to the gas chamber and the krematorium to be processed to ashes. Most concentration camp inmates hardly burned because of starvation, I as an obese person would have been useful as kindling to get the pyre going, after which hundreds of bodies would be piled up by crane, bulldozer or conveyor belt.
You cannot compare that to Guantanamo Bay.
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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: Asante]
#5422050 - 03/20/06 11:03 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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im fully aware of the fact that there are no gas chambers at guantanamo.. nor will you freeze to death either...however..the absence of gas chambers doesnt make it better..just different...as was the case at treblinka..the gunatanamo inmates will still die there and suffer immensely in the meantime...and at guantanamo..that mean time will be much longer than it was at treblinka...
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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: Annapurna1]
#5422078 - 03/20/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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you've made it pretty clear that you'd rather die at auschwitz than spend the rest of your life at guantanamo bay. that's fine. but conditions at the two places are not identical and you know it. this thread sucks. fortunately prajna has started one that might stimulate some meaningful discussion. this one surely hasn't. go check it out. how would you respond to phred's post (respond there of course)?
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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: Annapurna1]
#5422161 - 03/20/06 11:40 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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im fully aware of the fact that there are no gas chambers at guantanamo.. nor will you freeze to death either...however..the absence of gas chambers doesnt make it better..
Gas chambers specifically are not the point. Death camps are places for the industrial disposal of people by the hundred thousands. Guantanamo bay is a camp for political prisoners where they are subjected to inhumane treatment.
People in the death camps got exterminated in great multitudes AFTER having gotten inhumane treatment.
Imagine that every day 2.500 prisoners were taken into Guantanamo, packed with a hundred per traincar and ten or twenty of them dead per car on arrival, to be executed and burned in heaps of a thousand on a huge pile in the middle of the camp, the pyre burning all day and night for months, showering the wide area around Guantanamo with grey snowflakes of human ashes, while the place is littered with rotting corpses and "guards" shoot and torture people left and right whenever they feel like it. You can't compare Guantanamo with a Death Camp.
Guantanamo's prisoners have to face the same monsters as death camp prisoners, only in Guantanamo they are held back while in a death camp those evil people would be encouraged to be as brutal as they liked.
If you take an imaginary guantanamo of perpetual suffering or an imaginary auschwitz with its gas chambers, then I'd probably choose to be taken to the gas chamber straight away and try to inhale as much cyanide as fast as I could.
But it isnt like that. The real-life Guantanamo has boundaries in terms of atrocities and in absolute time people will spend in that place, so its torture would not be everlasting, and murder will be discouraged. The real-life Auschwitz was a combination of work camp/death camp, so first they worked you until there was less than 100lbs left of you and *then* they would gas you.
Then, IRL, it would definitely be better to suffer Guantanamo than to be taken to Auschwitz.
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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: Asante]
#5422221 - 03/20/06 12:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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this is the most foolish thread I have ever seen.
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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: mack_tasticlies]
#5435170 - 03/23/06 04:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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seriously..why are any of you even debating this with ana? she is clearly insane.
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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
#5435175 - 03/23/06 04:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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and btw, i didn't read one person mention the fact that plenty of people have been released from gitmo. that is all.
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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
#5435181 - 03/23/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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This thread deservedly died 3 days ago. YOU had to bring it back. Next time do us all a favor and DON'T FEED THE TROLLS! Thank you, that is all.
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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: zappaisgod]
#5435205 - 03/23/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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it was on the first page..oops, i forgot how slow this forum moves
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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: Asante]
#5436990 - 03/24/06 02:38 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you look at this, guantanamo bay cannot be compared to it in any way.Gas chambers specifically are not the point. Death camps are places for the industrial disposal of people by the hundred thousands. Guantanamo bay is a camp for political prisoners where they are subjected to inhumane treatment.
That's Treblinka. Auschwitz wasn't solely a death camp. People were imprisoned there (hey - and without trial too that rings a bell...)
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