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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5415825 - 03/18/06 12:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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where is your evidence for the lack thereof??...paradoxically..the lack of evidence either way is itself evidence of said nazi-style abuses ..




Gibberish.

The lack of evidence is evidence?

Guantanamo is the most thoroughly investigated operational prison camp in the history of warfare. There have been countless congressional junkets, countless visits from people of all stripes -- people that in reality have no freaking business being allowed into a prison camp in wartime but are accomodated anyway.

But because none of them have found any evidence of "Auschwitz-like" conditions, this somehow shows that it is in fact an Auschwitz II, just one that's really REALLY good at hiding skeletal inmates?

What if a poster to this forum were to indulge in the same kind of loopy "logic" which makes up your staple diet and propose something like the following --



"I say the consistently batty nature of your posts is a deliberate ploy. You are a troll, all right, but not a Leftist troll at all. You are in fact a neocon operative of Karl Rove tasked with making Lefties appear totally insane in order to discredit Leftie talking points. You had us fooled for a while, but you passed the point of no return several months back. You'd do well to advise your puppetmaster Rove that he needs to replace you with someone a lot less over the top -- that your cover has been blown through your well-intentioned but clumsily overexaggerated parody of Leftie positions.

"Don't bother to protest you really are an honest-to-goodness Leftie. That won't wash. After all, the very fact there is no evidence you are a Rovian puppet just makes it all the more evident you really are. Better to just hang it up and have Karl assign someone new."




How would you clear your name and regain your credentials as a genuine and upstanding Leftie?




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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: downforpot]
    #5415830 - 03/18/06 12:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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I would prefer Auschwitz. Death seems like a better option than a life of torture and no liberty, where even the option of death is taken away.




And before you die you we be experimented on, have your genitals cut off and see how you react to it. You should read about what the Nazis did..... Cause apparently you dont know shit.



I do not know if it is convenient for you or if you lack rudimentary knowledge to highlight the abuses of Auschwitz and ignore those of the USA's present-day torture camps.

At least I would die in Auschwitz. I would not become grossly emaciated with the intent of death, only to have a tube shoved down my throat to maintain my miserable existence. I would also not be routinely beaten. A life of death is far greater than a life of solitary confinement unless one enjoys the existence of a dog.


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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: downforpot]
    #5415834 - 03/18/06 12:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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If that shit happened it would already been out. People already exposed so much shit about other prisons in europe but there is nothing that suggested mass executions.... Germans didn't even know about the prisons... We do and our judges are trying to make sure the prisoners have rights.

So again, don't compare the two. And for the people that picked the Nazi camp:  :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:




first of all..that shit *is* out...second of all..ill repeat ..simply because theres no mass executions doesnt by any means make it better than the nazis...third of all..while the germans didnt know about the gulags..amerikkkans do know but they dont care...fourth of all..while the courts have in fact upheld prisoners rights..congressed passed the graham-levin amendment to overrule such decisions...


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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: bukkake]
    #5415844 - 03/18/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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I would not become grossly emaciated with the intent of death, only to have a tube shoved down my throat to maintain my miserable existence.




Perhaps they should choose to eat. They wouldn't be so emaciated then.


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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: Redstorm]
    #5415866 - 03/18/06 01:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Consider why they choose not to.


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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: bukkake]
    #5415869 - 03/18/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Because they want to intentionally make the prisons look worse than they are?


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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: Redstorm]
    #5415883 - 03/18/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

My grandpa managed to escape gulags in Russia. He was targeted for imprisonment for a long long time under horrible conditions with no food, nothing, just work work work to death.

Don't fucking compare Stalin's gulags and Nazi deaths to fucking GITMO.


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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: Phred]
    #5415888 - 03/18/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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The lack of evidence is evidence?




maybe i should have said "lack of information" instead of "lack of evidence".. the former very often being evidence...

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Guantanamo is the most thoroughly investigated operational prison camp in the history of warfare. There have been countless congressional junkets, countless visits from people of all stripes -- people that in reality have no freaking business being allowed into a prison camp in wartime but are accomodated anyway.

But because none of them have found any evidence of "Auschwitz-like" conditions, this somehow shows that it is in fact an Auschwitz II, just one that's really REALLY good at hiding skeletal inmates?




thats the most rediculous thing i ever heard of..and is easily disproved...while there have been many such visits to guantanamo..many parts of the installation (most notably the CIA enclosure) were still off-limits...and while there might not be photographic evidence of aushcwitz-like conditions specifically at guantanamo..this has been documented at other sites such as abu-ghraib and the salt pit..."guantanamo" in this sense is more of a metaphor...

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"I say the consistently batty nature of your posts is a deliberate ploy. You are a troll, all right, but not a Leftist troll at all. You are in fact a neocon operative of Karl Rove tasked with making Lefties appear totally insane in order to discredit Leftie talking points. You had us fooled for a while, but you passed the point of no return several months back. You'd do well to advise your puppetmaster Rove that he needs to replace you with someone a lot less over the top -- that your cover has been blown through your well-intentioned but clumsily overexaggerated parody of Leftie positions.

"Don't bother to protest you really are an honest-to-goodness Leftie. That won't wash. After all, the very fact there is no evidence you are a Rovian puppet just makes it all the more evident you really are. Better to just hang it up and have Karl assign someone new."




How would you clear your name and regain your credentials as a genuine and upstanding Leftie?




thats partly true...im not a willing puppet of rove like phred...but OTOH..george lakoff and others have documented how any arguement against rove..logical or otherwise..always ends up strengthening roves' positions...and if i were an undercover rovian..then by the same token you would have to be an undercover liberal activist...


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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5415901 - 03/18/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Because they want to intentionally make the prisons look worse than they are?



I would be more inclined to say because of documented torture and no right to tribunals or courts.

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Don't fucking compare Stalin's gulags and Nazi deaths to fucking GITMO.



No one has mentioned Stalin aside from you. Your refusal to acknowledge the abuses and tortures of Guantanamo is very disappointing and odd. Message boards are for discussion. I am acknowledging both the cons of Guantanamo and Auschwitz for what they are.


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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: bukkake]
    #5415939 - 03/18/06 01:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not saying what goes on in those detention camps is right or just. I just don't believe that there is any comparison between those camps and the Nazi camps of mass execution.


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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: bukkake]
    #5416112 - 03/18/06 02:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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bukkake said:
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Because they want to intentionally make the prisons look worse than they are?



I would be more inclined to say because of documented torture and no right to tribunals or courts.

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Don't fucking compare Stalin's gulags and Nazi deaths to fucking GITMO.



No one has mentioned Stalin aside from you. Your refusal to acknowledge the abuses and tortures of Guantanamo is very disappointing and odd. Message boards are for discussion. I am acknowledging both the cons of Guantanamo and Auschwitz for what they are.




Gulags and Nazi death camps led to deaths of millions of people. Do not compare Nazi death camps to GITMO.


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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5416335 - 03/18/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

where is your evidence for the lack thereof??

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof.html

now...

what is it about conditions at guantanamo that make it identical to a place where people are forced to work, starve, and freeze to death, where they are constantly surrounded by death and disease, where they may be executed at any time for any reason, where bizarre and incredibly cruel medical experiments are done on them, and filth and crowding is everywhere?

what about guantanamo is identical to that (be specific) and what (again, specifically) is the evidence?


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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: wilshire]
    #5416566 - 03/18/06 05:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

no..i suppose you wouldnt freeze to death in guantanamo...


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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5416581 - 03/18/06 05:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

gitmo is a freakin resort compared to nazi death camps and russian goulags. its like being on the beach with a pina colada, during a hawaiian tropic swimsuit shoot, and wet t shirt contest. with a cuban cigar or a chronic joint.


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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5416584 - 03/18/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

would you be worked to death?

would you be the subject of freakish and inhumane medical 'experiments'?

would you lack access to clean clothing and sanitation facilities?

would you be starved?


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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: wilshire]
    #5416604 - 03/18/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

>> would you be worked to death?

read my earlier posts...

>> would you be the subject of freakish and inhumane medical 'experiments'?

quite possibly...

>> would you lack access to clean clothing and sanitation facilities?

yes..and this has been well-documented...

would you be starved?

>> again..read my earlier posts...


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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5416611 - 03/18/06 05:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

read my earlier posts...

already did.

quite possibly...

what evidence leads you to believe that?

yes..and this has been well-documented...

then it shouldn't be any trouble for you to provide some proof. why are you having such a hard time doing so?


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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5416628 - 03/18/06 05:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

this was ridiculous several pages ago. it's not an important point and i don't think there's a single other person on the board that agrees with you, but i think that i and others are nailing you down on this because you've just gotten plain silly with this one... it's getting to the point of trolling. do you honestly believe what your saying?

you've got 4 options:

1. provide some evidence that conditions at guantanamo include freakish medical experiments, forced work, starvation, and complete filth.

2. discredit the evidence that the above conditions existed at auschwitz.

3. admit you were wrong and move on.

4. continue to squirm and dodge.

what's it gonna be?


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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: wilshire]
    #5416651 - 03/18/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: poll ..your fate in the death(?) camp (repost)... [Re: wilshire]
    #5416781 - 03/18/06 06:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

1. provide some evidence that conditions at guantanamo include freakish medical experiments, forced work, starvation, and complete filth.

http://web.amnesty.org/pages/guantanamobay-index-eng

and all relevant sublinks from the same page...if thats not good enough..then simply google "guantanamo"...

2. discredit the evidence that the above conditions existed at auschwitz.

that is unnecessary...


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