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silver22
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SUICIDE???
#5406391 - 03/15/06 10:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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There's this one phrase I've heard--suicide, is a permanent solution to what may be a temporary problem.
Today, I got the news that Casey died. A few months back, he was in the hospital because he had overdosed. Well, now, he succeeded.
Within this past week, I'd had seen him and he spoke to me with such life. The last time, I saw him, I spoke to him. Meanwhile, I had forgotten about his overdose until it was brought to my attention today. Upon being reminded, I felt, I could have had a longer conversation with him. However, I didn't.
I'm not an advocate of suicide. But for the people who chose this, my wish for them is to succeed! I hope their spiritual journey from that point will be everything they intended. out Casey
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Re: SUICIDE??? [Re: silver22]
#5406406 - 03/15/06 10:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Whos casey?
I really don't think suicide is EVER the right choice or answer...but thats just my .02
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eligal
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Re: SUICIDE??? [Re: silver22]
#5406427 - 03/15/06 10:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: SUICIDE??? [Re: eligal]
#5406954 - 03/16/06 01:33 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't think suicide solves anything, people who commit suicide will have to face the same challenges at a later time until they overcome them and grow...
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Re: SUICIDE??? [Re: Kamek]
#5407000 - 03/16/06 02:12 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i think suicide is never a bad idea
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Re: SUICIDE??? [Re: faslimy]
#5407152 - 03/16/06 06:18 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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> i think suicide is never a bad idea
Have children?
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Re: SUICIDE??? [Re: Kamek]
#5408753 - 03/16/06 02:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kamek said: I don't think suicide solves anything, people who commit suicide will have to face the same challenges at a later time until they overcome them and grow...
or maybe we will continue to live untill we decide to kill ourselves. maybe that is the challenge.
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Re: SUICIDE??? [Re: faslimy]
#5408781 - 03/16/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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no way.
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silver22
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Re: SUICIDE??? [Re: BleaK]
#5414873 - 03/18/06 12:15 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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BleaK said:
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Kamek said: I don't think suicide solves anything, people who commit suicide will have to face the same challenges at a later time until they overcome them and grow...
or maybe we will continue to live untill we decide to kill ourselves. maybe that is the challenge.
This response is to the first quote--are you referring to reincarnation?
This response is to the second quote-- good point of view--it made me think.
I guess is would be somewhat interesting to know how many people have ever toyed around with the thought of committing suicide and never acted on it ???
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Re: SUICIDE??? [Re: silver22]
#5415524 - 03/18/06 10:26 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I guess is would be somewhat interesting to know how many people have ever toyed around with the thought of committing suicide and never acted on it ???
everybody.
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unbeliever
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I've definitely had suicidal thoughts before. During the grip of a really bad depression or whatever. Your mind thinks of ways to end it. I always came back to gobbling tons of sleeping pills in a hot bath and slitting my wrists/ankles. Just to make sure it works and also to make it a gentle transition.
That said, I don't think I would ever go through with it like that. At most I might worry about some day being really depressed and having immediate access to something fast and final. Like say if I was sky-diving or at a shooting range. I could see myself just snap-decision doing something stupid. But I don't think even that would happen. I'd have to be so fucking depressed I wouldn't even be in the state-of-mind to be doing those activities.
Luckily I've been a lot happier and stress/depression free lately. Thanks partly to discovering that 5htp really helps keep my moods balanced (I'm bi-polar). But I think largely due to being a lot more social and making new friends. Something I'm not usually good at heh.
As for the socio-legal aspect of it, I think suicide should be like abortion should be. Safe, legal and rare. I think counseling programs should be in place to try and help people through their darkness. But I don't think anyone should have the right to tell someone they can not end their life. That's 100% religious bullshit.
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unbeliever said: During the grip of a really bad depression or whatever. Your mind thinks of ways to end it.
Which is ironic, because, at least with some forms of depression, the mind is the one causing it. 
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But I don't think anyone should have the right to tell someone they can not end their life. That's 100% religious bullshit.
It certainly is. It is our experience and we have rights to it as a result. Anyone who tries to take that right away is simply trying to take that power for themselves to have. 
 Peace.
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fireworks_god said:
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But I don't think anyone should have the right to tell someone they can not end their life. That's 100% religious bullshit.
It certainly is. It is our experience and we have rights to it as a result. Anyone who tries to take that right away is simply trying to take that power for themselves to have. 
 Peace.
Yeah. I find it nauseating that the state thinks it has the right to execute people, especially given the fallibility of our judicial system, but has the hubris to say that a person can not choose to end their own life.
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sometimes i feel as if i live in a world of mandatory suicide :/
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Re: SUICIDE??? [Re: silver22]
#5419034 - 03/19/06 02:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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silver22 said:
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BleaK said:
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Kamek said: I don't think suicide solves anything, people who commit suicide will have to face the same challenges at a later time until they overcome them and grow...
or maybe we will continue to live untill we decide to kill ourselves. maybe that is the challenge.
This response is to the first quote--are you referring to reincarnation?
Something like that yes... I think that everyone has to face their challenges, and suicide will just postpone the chance to deal with them...
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MisterKite said:
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I guess is would be somewhat interesting to know how many people have ever toyed around with the thought of committing suicide and never acted on it ???
everybody.
I think its an important part of growing up and accepting mortality - we explore in our (usually teenage) minds the concept of there being a world without you in it.
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Coldplay - The Scientist
Come up to meet you, tell you I'm sorry You don't know how lovely you are I had to find you, tell you I need you Tell you i set you apart
Tell me your secrets and ask me your questions Oh let's go back to the start Running in circles, coming up tails Heads on a silence apart
Nobody said it was easy, it's such a shame for us to part Nobody said it was easy, no one ever said it would be this hard Oh take me back to the start
I was just guessing at numbers and figures Pulling your puzzles apart Questions of science, science and progress Do not speak as loud as my heart
Tell me you love me, come back and haunt me Oh and I rush to the start Running in circles, chasing our tails Coming back as we are
Nobody said it was easy, Oh it's such a shame for us to part Nobody said it was easy, no one ever said it would be so hard
I'm going back to the start
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Which is ironic, because, at least with some forms of depression, the mind is the one causing it.
Cognitive dissonance?
Suicide, along with learned languages and religion, seems to be one of those aspects of life that is currently unique to humans.
The more humanity you possess, the less you hesitate to finish the job.
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Re: SUICIDE??? [Re: Ravus]
#5419617 - 03/19/06 05:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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all forms of depression are caused by the mind. what else is there ?
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Re: SUICIDE??? [Re: fresh313]
#5419779 - 03/19/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah - but we should remember that not all suicide is stimulated by depression - some is for religious or patriotic reasons...
Think of the 9/11 bombers, or the Kami kaze pilots in WWII
I think I distantly remember learning something by Durkheim (or at least the functionalist perspective) in high school sociology...
Should the 2 be kept distinct? Or is it possible to argue that both types are caused by a series of factors acting on the mind, some of which are culturally induced, and some of which are related to certain chemicals in the brain?
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fresh313
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yeah well in those cases its Martrydom for a cause, not really suicide by the actual want to end your life. like a person pointing a gun at the cops at the end of a stand off w/ no intention of shooting, yes thier suicidal but they let the cops shoot them instead of shooting themselves, to become martyrs of police 'brutality'. kami kaze pilots were'nt suicidal, the 9/11 bombers were delusional thinking they were getting some crazy afterlife for thier deeds, yes culturally/peer motivated self destruction.
so yes, i think they are both distinct and seperate cases.
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Re: SUICIDE??? [Re: fresh313]
#5419950 - 03/19/06 07:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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fresh313 said: yeah well in those cases its Martrydom for a cause, not really suicide by the actual want to end your life. like a person pointing a gun at the cops at the end of a stand off w/ no intention of shooting, yes thier suicidal but they let the cops shoot them instead of shooting themselves, to become martyrs of police 'brutality'. kami kaze pilots were'nt suicidal, the 9/11 bombers were delusional thinking they were getting some crazy afterlife for thier deeds, yes culturally/peer motivated self destruction.
so yes, i think they are both distinct and seperate cases.
What else is suicide but self destruction? Suicide is much more than losing the will to live as some define it - it is gaining the will to die... it is active
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i think the motivation is what defines it, if your motivation is to destroy other people w/ your death then its attemted homocide/massmurder and not suicide, if your motivation is to die for a cause yet not hurt others or actually try and help others its martydom, if your motivation is only to end your own life, or to make the world a better place by taking yourself out of the mix, then its suicide.
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Re: SUICIDE??? [Re: fresh313]
#5420667 - 03/19/06 10:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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In many cases, my heart goes out to the loved ones of the people who've committed the final act, for there is no right/wrong way to offer your sympathy--but, just be there for the survivors.
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Re: SUICIDE??? [Re: silver22]
#5420691 - 03/19/06 10:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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yes the forces in your head can create such a reality that u believe it IS reality, sometimes u just need time, after every dark night theres a brighter day, sometimes it gets so dark u cant even fathom the light, gotta be a soldier and hold tight. I have no ill will or think of these people as Weak, thats bullshit. Only love and i hope they find thier place in the stars. cuz it wasnt here for them.
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