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fresh313
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yeah well in those cases its Martrydom for a cause, not really suicide by the actual want to end your life. like a person pointing a gun at the cops at the end of a stand off w/ no intention of shooting, yes thier suicidal but they let the cops shoot them instead of shooting themselves, to become martyrs of police 'brutality'. kami kaze pilots were'nt suicidal, the 9/11 bombers were delusional thinking they were getting some crazy afterlife for thier deeds, yes culturally/peer motivated self destruction.
so yes, i think they are both distinct and seperate cases.
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Peyote_Princess
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Re: SUICIDE??? [Re: fresh313]
#5419950 - 03/19/06 07:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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fresh313 said: yeah well in those cases its Martrydom for a cause, not really suicide by the actual want to end your life. like a person pointing a gun at the cops at the end of a stand off w/ no intention of shooting, yes thier suicidal but they let the cops shoot them instead of shooting themselves, to become martyrs of police 'brutality'. kami kaze pilots were'nt suicidal, the 9/11 bombers were delusional thinking they were getting some crazy afterlife for thier deeds, yes culturally/peer motivated self destruction.
so yes, i think they are both distinct and seperate cases.
What else is suicide but self destruction? Suicide is much more than losing the will to live as some define it - it is gaining the will to die... it is active
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fresh313
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i think the motivation is what defines it, if your motivation is to destroy other people w/ your death then its attemted homocide/massmurder and not suicide, if your motivation is to die for a cause yet not hurt others or actually try and help others its martydom, if your motivation is only to end your own life, or to make the world a better place by taking yourself out of the mix, then its suicide.
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silver22
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Re: SUICIDE??? [Re: fresh313]
#5420667 - 03/19/06 10:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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In many cases, my heart goes out to the loved ones of the people who've committed the final act, for there is no right/wrong way to offer your sympathy--but, just be there for the survivors.
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fresh313
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Re: SUICIDE??? [Re: silver22]
#5420691 - 03/19/06 10:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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yes the forces in your head can create such a reality that u believe it IS reality, sometimes u just need time, after every dark night theres a brighter day, sometimes it gets so dark u cant even fathom the light, gotta be a soldier and hold tight. I have no ill will or think of these people as Weak, thats bullshit. Only love and i hope they find thier place in the stars. cuz it wasnt here for them.
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