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I need help, soon! + sad news :(
    #5406263 - 03/15/06 10:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I have a cake i put into a 2 liter bottle with manure. I covered the cake with about 1/2" of manure and then put some virmiculite on top. Its all i have for casing and i figured it was better then nothing (right?). Well the white keep's growing through it. Should i keep adding casing layers or just let the whit build up? Should i spray more or less? Im spraying 2-3 times a day and moisture is kept in, i open top when i spray it. The first few days there wasnt a lot of mousture because the top wasnt on tight and i had forgotten to spray it. Any help would be much apreciated.

75% of cakes were infected, worst one yet. They all had same conditions in which contams showed up as well. The cake would be ready to fruit or start too. Then a slightly off color green / blue would show up in a few places. This last one had over 20msh on it so it was saddening to say the least. I normaly go burry ones that have a slight off color in the back yard. Would this still be dangerous if it manages to grow outside and fruits? Would the contams get worse outdoors, or would it lose that connection when it grow's throughout the ground? Its a fairly ignorant question i know but im curious. Last year i had throw out a contamed cake and it spread in a pile of leafs and manure i had outback. A friend of mine picked htem (after i told them the cake that started it was contamed and that he shouldnt use them, still did and said he felt fine). Now obviously that doesnt mean anything, there still could have been something wrong with it and it just didnt harm him to noticably. I was against this by the way lol not for it.


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Re: I need help, soon! + sad news :( [Re: satori85]
    #5406289 - 03/15/06 10:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

also if 2 liter bottle is contamed will it end up showing on surface?


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Re: I need help, soon! + sad news :( [Re: satori85]
    #5406310 - 03/15/06 10:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

A casing layer has low to no nutrients. This is A-so it won't contam, and B-so it doesn't colonize completley. You would have been better off not using a casing layer, as this would have at least prevented the contams.

Horse manure is not casing material. Buy a bag of peat and some vermiculite, or get some Jiffy-mix from wal-mart.

Edit: oh, cakes... you don't even need casing, just roll in wet verm.

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Re: I need help, soon! + sad news :( [Re: Rahz]
    #5406438 - 03/15/06 10:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

No... what happend is, i had a cake that wasnt doing anything. So i took a 2 liter bottle, filled it 1/2 full with manure, then put the cake down in it, put manure around it and a 1/2" on top of it. The myc. grew to the top and i put some virmiculite on top. Should i add more virmiculite sense the white is building up again or just let it do what it wants, or is the fact it keeps growing a sign im doing somethign wrong? Should i use peat moss + virmiculite and re-layer it?


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Re: I need help, soon! + sad news :( [Re: satori85]
    #5406505 - 03/15/06 10:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You actually should have taken a cheese grater to the cake so that you could have a whole lot of starting points from which to spawn the poo and fully colonize it. This should have been done in the dark.


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Re: I need help, soon! + sad news :( [Re: doubledutch]
    #5406541 - 03/15/06 11:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I would have crumbled it, but the cake is only a inch smaller (in width) then the container. I was just doing this to make it a little bigger with more nutrients. It has already clonized the entire surface. Im not asking about that aspect of it im asking about casing.

Read my last post for question any 1 else who reads this


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Re: I need help, soon! + sad news :( [Re: satori85]
    #5406550 - 03/15/06 11:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

If the mycelium is showing through the verm, it's time to give it light and let it fruit. So long as you have light and FAE, the mycelium should mostly stop colonizing the verm and put it's energy into fruiting.

Adding more verm won't be helpful.

As mentioned, breaking that cake up and mixing it with the poo would have been optimal.

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Re: I need help, soon! + sad news :( [Re: Rahz]
    #5406599 - 03/15/06 11:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

AHHH i knew i did something wrong, i didnt have it in darkness when it colinated!!!! It was more of an eperiment then anything else and i didnt put much thought into it. What should i do? Should i put it in darkness and re-case it? Or just let it go and see what happens? 12/12 light right?


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Re: I need help, soon! + sad news :( [Re: satori85]
    #5406636 - 03/15/06 11:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Just put it in darkness, yeah.  Patch a little~ aka put some verm on top of the mycelium if you think it needs it... I'm really confused; are you going to fruit it in that 2-litre bottle?  If so... casings are supposed to be wide, long, and shallow.  Not silos of colonized substrate with a fruiting dome at the top.  :smile:


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Re: I need help, soon! + sad news :( [Re: satori85]
    #5406640 - 03/15/06 11:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It might be worth it to let it grow in darkness and then add a second (thin) casing layer... but you need to keep the FAE up no matter what you do.

If the sub is mostly colonized already (If you can tell, you need to tape up the sides of the bottle where the sub is) I'd probably just let it do it's thing and hope for the best. Several hours or more of light will induce fruiting, 12/12 is standard, and optimal according to some.

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Re: I need help, soon! + sad news :( [Re: doubledutch]
    #5406645 - 03/15/06 11:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Just put it in darkness, yeah.  Patch a little~ aka put some verm on top of the mycelium if you think it needs it... I'm really confused; are you going to fruit it in that 2-litre bottle?  If so... casings are supposed to be wide, long, and shallow.  Not silos of colonized substrate with a fruiting dome at the top.  :smile:




it was a quick experiment, it is larger hen the surface space of the cake i had lol. Plus when its done im going to use it to spread outside.


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Re: I need help, soon! + sad news :( [Re: satori85]
    #5407202 - 03/16/06 07:02 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You need to do some serious reading about bulk growing and casing.

http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/22994
http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/8


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    #5407215 - 03/16/06 07:14 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: I need help, soon! + sad news :( [Re: Mead]
    #5407689 - 03/16/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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The cake would be ready to fruit or start too. Then a slightly off color green / blue would show up in a few places. This last one had over 20msh on it so it was saddening to say the least.




That might have been bruising from touching the cakes?? I tipped my first invitro jar over on accident and a pin bruised dark green, and I notice green bruising sometimes on the mush I grow as well as in pics that I see people post.
Did you seperate it from the others and see if it spread or tried to wipe it(I've read that contam spores will spread with your finger while bruising wont(unless your wiping hard enough to bruise the cake.))




It had been in the chamber for a week or so, and it slowly started getting little patches of green / blue but mostly green. :frown: Sad for sure i thought i was going to have a interesting friday night.


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