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    #5405091 - 03/15/06 06:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i was given some left over brown rice flour by a friend. he hasnt grown shrooms in about a year, so the flour is way out of date.
can i still use this flour even if it is out of date?

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Re: OutOfDate BRF [Re: don_Genaro]
    #5405122 - 03/15/06 06:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

sure rice doesnt really go bad as long as its dry. That is more than likley a sell by date


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Re: OutOfDate BRF [Re: MindsEye]
    #5405166 - 03/15/06 06:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Brown rice has a higher fat content I think, You want to make sure it's not rancid before using. Grind a little and look for an odd smell that is NOT like ground rice.

Do you know how he had it stored?


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Re: OutOfDate BRF [Re: Delinquentes]
    #5405206 - 03/15/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

To be on the safe side,
Brown Rice only costs like $2 for a 2 pound bag at meijer or HellMart
You should just grind that up in a coffee grinder or a food processer,
Plus I heard that it is a tad better than the flour itself


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Re: OutOfDate BRF [Re: Delinquentes]
    #5405310 - 03/15/06 07:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Delinquentes said:
Brown rice has a higher fat content I think, You want to make sure it's not rancid before using. Grind a little and look for an odd smell that is NOT like ground rice.

Do you know how he had it stored?




he had it sorted in its orignal bag, and then that in another plastic bag

it is flour, not whole rice grains


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Re: OutOfDate BRF [Re: don_Genaro]
    #5405335 - 03/15/06 07:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I realize that you have powder, but you can make your own using the grains. Just grind them up in a coffee grinder or a food processor/blender and VOILA! Homemade Brown Rice Flour!

Check this out http://www.shroomery.org/index.php/par/23593/pag/1
It talks about homemade BRF about the 10th or 11th paragraph down. I used ot do this for every PF style jar and I couldn't have asked for better(and cheaper) results.

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Re: OutOfDate BRF [Re: sivad02487]
    #5405520 - 03/15/06 08:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Flour is worse. Once you break the grains, you expose the fats to the air. It can turn rancid quickly from then on. I'd trash it, but that's just me.


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Re: OutOfDate BRF [Re: Delinquentes]
    #5405801 - 03/15/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yeh i considered grinding my own grains, but id have to purchase a grinder. meh

yeh, i bought some flour recently, so i do have some to use. thanks for the tips. i think ill toss this ood bag.


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Re: OutOfDate BRF [Re: don_Genaro]
    #5405832 - 03/15/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

one more question...

i got a little excited and made my brf/verm mixture and packed it into quart jars. im still waiting on my needles to arrive to make my spore syringes, so i probly wont be able to innoc the jars for a week max.
can i store these in a cool dry place untill i can innoc?
or would it have been wiser to wait untill i am completely ready?

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Re: OutOfDate BRF [Re: don_Genaro]
    #5405844 - 03/15/06 08:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

A blender works in place of a grinder, you know.


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Re: OutOfDate BRF [Re: doubledutch]
    #5405922 - 03/15/06 09:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

PF with quart jars!?

Wow, man you are looking at a HELL of a long time to colonize them

Did you mean pint by chance?


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Re: OutOfDate BRF [Re: Delinquentes]
    #5405991 - 03/15/06 09:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

whoops

yeh, i meant half pint (~250ml).

so can i store them for about a week without anything happening?


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Re: OutOfDate BRF [Re: don_Genaro]
    #5406003 - 03/15/06 09:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Have you already PC'd them?


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Re: OutOfDate BRF [Re: Delinquentes]
    #5406132 - 03/15/06 09:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

not yet


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Re: OutOfDate BRF [Re: don_Genaro]
    #5406149 - 03/15/06 09:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I would PC them now, then put them up in a clean, dry location till you are ready for them.

Do you have holes punched in the lids?


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Re: OutOfDate BRF [Re: Delinquentes]
    #5406228 - 03/15/06 10:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

no holes punched in the lids...

i was going to use a few layers of aluminium foil while PC'ing.


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Re: OutOfDate BRF [Re: don_Genaro]
    #5406301 - 03/15/06 10:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

How are you going to inoculate without holes? If you PC them like this, they will create a vacuum in the jars and suck all the spores out of your syringe when you do incoulate them....or you will suck in contams when you poke a hole in it.


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Re: OutOfDate BRF [Re: Delinquentes]
    #5406348 - 03/15/06 10:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i was going to remove the lids, and use a few layers of aluminium foil instead, like in the simple pf tek --> http://www.fungifun.org/English/Pftek



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Re: OutOfDate BRF [Re: don_Genaro]
    #5406371 - 03/15/06 10:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

OIC! Well...I am not sure what to do then....If you PC them with the real lids on, then they will keep for years. I can't speak for what will happen if you just use the foil.


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Re: OutOfDate BRF [Re: Delinquentes]
    #5406497 - 03/15/06 10:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

so if i wanted to pc them with the real lids on, i would have to punch a few holes in the top before i placed them in the pc?
then to store thewm i would have to cover the lids with foil after?

its just that the lids are a bit different. the center peice is seperate from the outer ring of the lid. and i dont think i can punch holes on the edge because of this fact.



what if i PC'ed them with the foil ontop, and the lids in there seperately. then when i take them out, take off the foil and put the lids back on for a good seal for storage?
then once i want to innoc, i take the lid off and cover with foil again and innoc through the foil.
i suppose all the taking off of lids would leave a fair risk of contam

maybe i shoul just stick with foil the wholle way through


Edited by don_Genaro (03/15/06 11:02 PM)


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Re: OutOfDate BRF [Re: don_Genaro]
    #5406527 - 03/15/06 11:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Those are standard lids for those jars. Put the disk on, rubber seal up, then screw the ring on FINGER tight. Then PC them for an hour, and when they are cool and there is no pressure in the PC, open it and tighten the lids tight. Then you can take the lids off and use foil when you go to inoculate. I suggest poking holes in the flat part of the lid and covering them with tape. Then follow the above instructions.


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Re: OutOfDate BRF [Re: Delinquentes]
    #5406605 - 03/15/06 11:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

thanks heaps for all your help

"Put the disk on, rubber seal up, then screw the ring on FINGER tight."

this is so there is space for the air/pressure/steam to escape when i am PCing? FINGER tight, means tight, but not completely tight yeh?

"when they are cool and there is no pressure in the PC, open it "

so after the hour and i have turned it off, i leave the PC for about 15 mins? longer? my pc doesnt have any gagues.

"I suggest poking holes in the flat part of the lid and covering them with tape. Then follow the above instructions."

holes on the edge?
this is for inoculation later? or air/pressure release during PC?


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Re: OutOfDate BRF [Re: don_Genaro]
    #5406637 - 03/15/06 11:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

thanks heaps for all your help

No problem!

"Put the disk on, rubber seal up, then screw the ring on FINGER tight."

this is so there is space for the air/pressure/steam to escape when i am PCing? FINGER tight, means tight, but not completely tight yeh?

Correct

"when they are cool and there is no pressure in the PC, open it "

so after the hour and i have turned it off, i leave the PC for about 15 mins? longer? my pc doesnt have any gagues.

No, you have to leave the PC off the heat for at least an hour (after the hour cook time) before you open it, longer if you can wait.

"I suggest poking holes in the flat part of the lid and covering them with tape. Then follow the above instructions."

holes on the edge?
this is for inoculation later? or air/pressure release during PC?

Yes, if you poke holes now, then the pressure will not be a problem and you can inoculate through the holes later


Now, if you poke holes in the lids, then the jars will not be sealed completely and will not last as long as years. I suggest going to wallymart and getting 3M Micropore tape ($1.77 per roll) and covering each hole with it. Then make sure to cover the jars with foil before you PC. Leave the foil in place until you are ready to inoculate.

Another option is to take the substrate you made and seal it in a ziplock bag...then just PC the night before you inoculate.


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Edited by Delinquentes (03/15/06 11:39 PM)


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Re: OutOfDate BRF [Re: don_Genaro]
    #5406658 - 03/15/06 11:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

awesome
thanks so much

i only really need to store these bad boys for about a week.
im just waiting on some needles to come so i can make some spore syringes, then i can begin my 1st grow :smile:
exciting :laugh::D

thanks again
youve been very helpful!!


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