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MushyHead420
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Short Length Cold Shocking
#5403821 - 03/15/06 02:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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All the post and Teks say cold shocking takes around 24 hours. Now can i cold shock for around 5-6 hours and it make any difference in pinning. And to my knowledge cold shocking dont involve water right? It just involves sticking the jar in the fridge. Thanks
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Re: Short Length Cold Shocking [Re: MushyHead420]
#5404057 - 03/15/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I never cold shocked, never needed to. Some people say it makes a huge difference but obviously (for me atleast) it doesn't because I've never doen it once. If you were to cold shock I'd do it for ATLEAST 12 hours. 5 to 6 might be enough but I'm sure the full 24 is better. GL with it
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Re: Short Length Cold Shocking [Re: Atheist]
#5404110 - 03/15/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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people normally dunk and coldshock in one go. saves time since cold shocking and dunking times are similar.
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Re: Short Length Cold Shocking [Re: skeletor]
#5404126 - 03/15/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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does anyone think cold schokcing is better for those that don't incubate at 83ish? beucase i know the temperature drop is one of the triggers to pinning so people that incubate at optimum temperate get that temp drop just by going from the incubator to the FC. but for those people that just leave jars at room temperature or just above seeing how their FC would be around this sam temperature they wouldn't get that drop in temp. i know its only one of the triggers to pinning but it just seems to be that cold shocking is better left for those who don't use incubation chambers.
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Re: Short Length Cold Shocking [Re: skeletor]
#5404465 - 03/15/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Actually, temperature drop has nothing to do with pinning unless you're growing cold weather edibles. Cubes fruit in florida, cuba, mexico and texas in the summertime, so think about it.
I've run several tests myself, and every single time, the substrate that was cold shocked for 24 hours pinned on average 48 or more hours later than identical substrates that were not cold shocked.
Many growers put a substrate in the refrigerator, and a few days later they have pins, so they naturally think the cold shock is what delivered the pinset. Truth is, it would have pinned anyway, and probably sooner.
Dunking is done in the refrigerator to prevent bacteria buildup that would normally occur if the cake or substrate was placed underwater. RR
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Re: Short Length Cold Shocking [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5405066 - 03/15/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have to disagree although cold shocking is not necessary for cubies some cubie strains do indeed benefit from it (FACT). In the tropics/subtropics where temps are very hot when the rains come so do cooler temps think about it. Now for those who want to use these pinning tools to your advantage do it you won't be sorry I guarantee, for those who don't please don't provide faulty info. We can use ALL our pinning triggers to manipulate the best pinset possible consistantly. Fridge dunking is not necessary but to say all our optimum growing parameters are bunk is not cool this has been studied and proven by the best in the field, incubation 84-86F/fruiting 74-77F there does seem to be a drop in temps. One thing I have noticed over the years is that any fall species fruit much more prolifically than any spring/summer species, theres a reason for this.
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Re: Short Length Cold Shocking [Re: MushyHead420]
#5405115 - 03/15/06 06:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cold-shocking cubensis is wasteful and counterproductive, I've tried many variations with different strains and have never seen anything positive come from it. It will do nothing except delay pinning time, sometimes halting growth for days at a time. My .02
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Re: Short Length Cold Shocking [Re: Holydiver]
#5405134 - 03/15/06 06:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Holydiver said: Cold-shocking cubensis is wasteful and counterproductive, I've tried many variations with different strains and have never seen anything positive come from it. Everyone has their opinions, this is just mine.
Are you referring to fridge cold shocking or temp drop? Also have you seen negatives? I'm just curious.
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Re: Short Length Cold Shocking [Re: hyphae]
#5405173 - 03/15/06 06:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm referring to cold shocking, as in putting an entire casing in the fridge overnight. I've had cold shocked casings halt growth almost completely when ran side-by-side with non-cold shocked casings, in most instances the shock did nothing but delay pinning for several days, or even a week.
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Re: Short Length Cold Shocking [Re: Holydiver]
#5405192 - 03/15/06 06:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have coldshocked cube BRF cakes before ~ but in following with Holydiver's "except delay pinning time" statement, I only do these days with cakes that have seen upwards of three or four flushes; and only because I'm trying to eke out whatever I possibly can from the used cakes, almost out of superstition. The results may be real in some instances, but it's my opinion that although the results may be real, they're never amazing. I tend not to.
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Re: Short Length Cold Shocking [Re: Holydiver]
#5405211 - 03/15/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok thats what I thought and agree also. Many should also realize there is a time period between vegetative growth and generative growth which generally runs 5-7 days IME. This is where pinset initiation timing makes the biggest difference.
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Re: Short Length Cold Shocking [Re: Holydiver]
#5405219 - 03/15/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I personally think the fridge is way too cool for cold shocking. Cubes may benifit from a slight temperature drop...the temperatures in the wild do not plunge from room temperature to almost freezing like that, thus I can not see why cold shocking would bring about any benifit.
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Re: Short Length Cold Shocking [Re: Tien]
#5405408 - 03/15/06 07:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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One benefit I have personally used a few times was slowing very aggresive myc from over-colonizing a casing (used as a tool). All in all optimum parameters give optimum results consistantly takes what should be strived for if at all possible.
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Re: Short Length Cold Shocking [Re: hyphae]
#5405757 - 03/15/06 08:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I understand exactly where you're coming from hyphae. Understand however, that lots of us, myself included don't incubate at 83 to 86, but rather at normal room temperature. That means our incubation and fruiting temperatures are the same, and we still get fruits in the same time frame. No temp drop.
One more thing about wild fruitings. They do come out a day or two after rains, but bear in mind, the southern regions get their summer rains from thunderstorms, where the temp might drop for an hour or so after the rain, but as soon as the sun comes out, it's as hot as before. RR
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Re: Short Length Cold Shocking [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5407111 - 03/16/06 05:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm talking about fine tuning I guess, mushrooms fruit in a variety of conditions and substrates as long as they fall into an acceptable parameter, the farther away from optimum the less the yield and as I've always said optimum conditions equal optimum yields. Back on topic 5-6hrs. or 24hrs. cold shocking in the fridge has little to no affect on pinning MushyHead420. I suggest doing one without and one with and see for yourself
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