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PF cake dry verm layer, NOT dry anymore. ??? (*pics*)
    #5403452 - 03/15/06 01:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yeah..... my PF jars are doing great-colonizing wize.......

BUT, some of my jars that had some overly wet substrate (one of my previous posts http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5370546/page/0/fpart/all/vc/1)
i suggest you read a little of the ***update*** part to understand my situation, because i don't feel like typing it all out again...

but now, i seem to have mycelium growing up into the dry vermiculite layer.......
and it doesn't seem to be dry anymore.....I used to be able to tilit it and see the dry layer move a little, but now it doesn't.........

Is it normal to have the mycleium growing into the dry layer, if the dry layer is wet??? is it even normal for the dry layer to retain some of the extra moisture from the wet substrate????
wouldn't that cause some sort of mold to grow????

here's some pics........and yes, i know they looked FUCKED up, but it's all explained in that other post (the mycelium is basically growing in all the open spaces of the jar and working it's way out.....)









i was torn weather or not i should include that last picture, or put it in the comtam forum....hopefully it wont hurt to leave it in here and put it with the contam forum.......mods, let me know if i need to remove it
.i'm not sure if that little guy is cobweb or not.....
it's in one of the jars with the really weird substrate........


but, back to the subject at hand......
if someone can let me know whether or not the whole dry verm thing is a good/bad situation that would be awesome.

i was also thinking maybe it's time to flip these guys over???

or another idea.......maybe-just maybe---birth these bitches and spawn them into a small casing.........only putting the mycelium covered substrate inside???? (i'd scrape off the uncolonized parts....)
but, it would proabbly be too early.....they're about 3 weeks old....

agh this is getting long....

HELP!


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Re: PF cake dry verm layer, NOT dry anymore. ??? (*pics*) [Re: cappsnstems]
    #5403472 - 03/15/06 01:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I sometimes get some rhizo growth on the dry layer.
That grey looks nasty thought :frown: i think it might to best to ditch those and start another patch. what helps the most is adding coco coir the the substrate. Use the 60/40casing tek with brf added makes exellent substrate IMO/E
it really helps in avoiding "wetspots" which is what i think casued that nasty grey shit.


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Re: PF cake dry verm layer, NOT dry anymore. ??? (*pics*) [Re: cappsnstems]
    #5403475 - 03/15/06 01:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Wow those are some WET jars you have there, every one of them looks like it has bacteria contam to me, there is waaayyyy too much moisture in there.


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Re: PF cake dry verm layer, NOT dry anymore. ??? (*pics*) [Re: MindsEye]
    #5403495 - 03/15/06 01:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Im going to give you a tip on how to get moisture level right, I dont measure water to put into jars,

Put the verm in a bowl and saturate it (there will be a small pool of water on the bottom of mixing bowl when the verm is saturated). Pour off excess water.

Then simply add dry flour to the saturated verm, mix, load into jar, add dry verm layer

this method works best if you mix jars up one at a time instead of a whole bunch.


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Re: PF cake dry verm layer, NOT dry anymore. ??? (*pics*) [Re: mushboy]
    #5403512 - 03/15/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

agggh i should've clarified a little more..........

see that dark grey spot??? that's actually a hole in the substrate.....the dark spot is the inside of the jar....
if you take a look at the other post, my jars came out of the PC lookin all wet.
i think the fact that i added like 4 drips of water to the mixture, messed it up.

but i asked if i should inoc and people told me to go for it.......

soooo...i dunno....but that spot, isn't a spot on the substrate....i hope you understand what i mean.....
haha it's a little confusing.......


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Re: PF cake dry verm layer, NOT dry anymore. ??? (*pics*) [Re: MindsEye]
    #5403530 - 03/15/06 01:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

the jars came out of the PC looking like that.......so they couldn't have a bacterial contam right off the bat........

and thanks for the substrate advice...

i think the next time i'm going to use poo....


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Re: PF cake dry verm layer, NOT dry anymore. ??? (*pics*) [Re: cappsnstems]
    #5403668 - 03/15/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

OHHHHHH I GET IT!!

yah thats happened to me before too. the jars will stall if they havent already. something is up with your water levels. I find it better to have a cake that is like 90% colonized because of not enough water(you can always dunk when you are ready to case) then to have a cake get nasty contams from too much water.  you will get shrooms like this if u try to case it :frown:


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Re: PF cake dry verm layer, NOT dry anymore. ??? (*pics*) [Re: cappsnstems]
    #5407119 - 03/16/06 05:54 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

is that bad?? haha

was there anything majorly wrong with those? besides the fact that they're super tiny?

or do they have those bacterial blotches on them?


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Re: PF cake dry verm layer, NOT dry anymore. ??? (*pics*) [Re: cappsnstems]
    #5407135 - 03/16/06 06:09 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The black stuff would be black dust mold, those jars are garbage they are all contammed. When you notice a diffrent color like that it means its BAD! How many times I see people claim it to be water is absolutly ridiclious. Throw them out.

Myc will overtake the dry verm layer its quite common, all you have to do is scrape it off when you birth your cake(s) or just leave it on, it makes absolutly no diffrence.


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Re: PF cake dry verm layer, NOT dry anymore. ??? (*pics*) [Re: Pr0_X]
    #5407243 - 03/16/06 07:30 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

aggghhhhh.............................

okay, those "black dust mold spots" are holes IN the substrate.
when i PC'd for some reason, the substrate seperated in spots.
i posted a question about it, with pictures of the substrate after i took it out of the PC and asked if i should even bother inoculating, and people said to go for it.
they said "yeah, it's a pretty wet, but it should colonize O.K."
so, i did.....

and now all of my growth is in the open spots, and it's spreading through the jars great.
where those "dark spots" are, it's actually one of those holes in the substrate, with some rhyzo strands trying to connect to eachother on the glass surface.
i thought maybe because it was thinner strands, kinda wispy, maybe it could be cobweb.....but i can see it getting thicker now. i shoudln't of even asked......

trust me, i guess those pictures dont do any justice for what's really there....
but that's not a contam. TRUST ME.
and it's not bacterial either, because there is NO SMELL AT ALL.
and that's what the substrate looked like when it came out of the PC

yesterday, i actually opened one of the lids to see what was going on in the top layer.......(with lysol swirling in the air and rubbing alcohol clean hands, a face mask on, the whole she-bang)
and i saw some crazy shit.....

there was thick ropes coming up and forming around the lids and it smelt of yummy mushrooms (and BRF) soooooooooo.
i think they're ok!

and in one of the jars i can even see the substrate drying up and the mycelium taking hold of it and moving it away from the sides of the jars.

i dunno, i still have faith, because from what i can tell, they're doing alright. and my plan is to use the sea of shooms tek, with the 1/2 of a 1/2 pint casing in a solo cup.........
my expectations arent super high for these although i am very curious to see how it turns out, if it even works....


i hope you understand what i'm saying, and that i'm not some newbie idiot. Trust me, i understand the concept of "if it ain't white, it aint right!!!"
and this IS my first time, but the only thing i was worried about was cobweb in the jars because of so much moisture....and maybe not genough gas exchange....

i think i'm going to try and take the lids off all the ones that look like that, only for about a minute at a time.... to give it a liitle more air.......what do you think about that??
good/bad idea?


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Re: PF cake dry verm layer, NOT dry anymore. ??? (*pics*) [Re: cappsnstems]
    #5407378 - 03/16/06 08:32 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

thats weird that air pockets would just appear in your substrate. besides the moisture level issue, they look like healthy myc, not rhizo, but healthy tomentose.

anyways, i think theyll be ok. the verm being wet is ok too, happened to me once and everything colonized fine.


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Re: PF cake dry verm layer, NOT dry anymore. ??? (*pics*) [Re: rDr4g0n]
    #5407476 - 03/16/06 09:14 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

phew.....

yes, tormentose better explains it......
(i had to look it up in the mycology dictionary) but yes, when it's in front of my face (not a picture) it does look very thick and fuzzy, like velvet.....

that's why i was a tad worried about cobweb....but i know thats usually in casings, not jars...but, i'm also new to this  :undecided:

i'm just being a parinoid momma....

and yeah, the whole air pocket thing i don't get either....but it happened....

and one of the jars i opened to see wtf was going on in the dry layer, there was like, a sunken hole in the middle of dry layer, like a friggin volocano
but inside the hole was bright white, and strands were climbing up thru the middle....it was fucking insane.

i closed it fast, it freaked me out.


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Re: PF cake dry verm layer, NOT dry anymore. ??? (*pics*) [Re: cappsnstems]
    #5407513 - 03/16/06 09:32 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

They are shot. You'll need to start anew man. I know it stinks but, you're better off getting the moisture right, rather than wasting your spores. A tip for you; stick with the 1/2 pint mixture that PF states and use that exact mixture for 1 pints doubled. After you add the vermiculite and flour to a bowl, mix it well prior to adding the water. Then after you add the water, mix the ingrediants with a wisk well. Make sure to tape the inoculation holes too. Sometimes foil just isn't enough.


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Re: PF cake dry verm layer, NOT dry anymore. ??? (*pics*) [Re: Hotnuts]
    #5407635 - 03/16/06 10:24 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

they're not shot!!!!
i wish i could like, send you guys one of these jars to like examine it and prove that they're shit loads of mycelium growing in those bitches
and the past two days they've shown the most growth.
there's no discoloration, there's no smell besides a shroomy BRF verm smell....

and, those ARE 1/2 pints, BALL 1/2 pint tapered mouth canning jars.....i know they look different, but they're tall and skinny....i couldn't find the short fat ones....

and i did do the PF 1/2 pint mixture, enough for 6 jars at a time....mixing the BRF and VERM first, then adding in the water
i think my mistake was adding a little bit more water to the 2nd and 3rd batches because they looked alot drier than before.....

but, i DID have 2 peices of masking tape over each hole, AND HD tinfoil that was taped on.......
not all of my jars came out looking like that....i think there was like 13 out of 22....

I don't know, i'm still going to see what happens with them. I'm not just going to throw them out........there is absolutley NO visible or smell-able contams going on.....
if everything keeps going the way it is, i'll end up doing one cake casings....or 1/2 cake casings....

please don't take me for a fool, really i'm not. I know it seems like i'm a dumbass or something and i don't know what i'm doing, but really.......i'm not in denial, these jars are growing like crazy!!! and i want to see what happens....

a little trial and error never hurt anybody, i learned my lesson with these ones, and i'll be sure to not fuck it up again....

thanks for the advice tho...it's appreciated...


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Re: PF cake dry verm layer, NOT dry anymore. ??? (*pics*) [Re: cappsnstems]
    #5407651 - 03/16/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

you shouldnt be opening them or anything cuz taht invites contams. even though they look funky, theyre perfectly fine as long as theres myc growing and nothin else growing.


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Re: PF cake dry verm layer, NOT dry anymore. ??? (*pics*) [Re: rDr4g0n]
    #5407681 - 03/16/06 10:37 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'm interested to see how they come out. Don't let the naysayers get you down.


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Re: PF cake dry verm layer, NOT dry anymore. ??? (*pics*) [Re: rDr4g0n]
    #5407697 - 03/16/06 10:42 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yeah i know, i was just very curious......... but i DID do it in a very sterile enviroment.....and did it quickly.
i just got a quick peek....


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Re: PF cake dry verm layer, NOT dry anymore. ??? (*pics*) [Re: Sinthetic]
    #5407705 - 03/16/06 10:44 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

THANK YOU!

i'll keep everyone posted..........
i promise.....

"fuck the naysayers cuz they don't mean a thing, cuz this is what style we bring........."

not really.....no fuck yous, just a 311 lova......<3 :heart: :heart: :heart:


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