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What Connects Trippers..
    #5401079 - 03/14/06 09:14 PM (18 years, 18 days ago)

I know that there are obvious reasons that we are all here, we all trip.. but there has to be something that makes us want to trip and be in this forum talking about this very subject. Some underlying reason that we are all here. I know there are individual resons for everyone to trip, serch for knowledge, mind expansion, or anything else, but there has to be something deeper then that... i dont know what it is though


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Re: What Connects Trippers.. [Re: gotcha420haha]
    #5401099 - 03/14/06 09:19 PM (18 years, 18 days ago)

Well here is one thing, and its a big part of why I use continue to use hallucinogens. You might see what I mean about why it connects us more involved "trippers". Hope you enjoy it and dont just think its long and boring...
Really though, its the shamans secret. If you dont understand why I posted this here, you really dont know much about hallucinogens.

In 1982 a remarkable event took place. At the University of Paris a research team led by physicist Alain Aspect performed what may turn out to be one of the most important experiments of the 20th century. You did not hear about it on the evening news. In fact, unless you are in the habit of reading scientific journals you probably have never even heard Aspect's name, though there are some who believe his discovery may change the face of science.
Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances subatomic particles such as electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating them. It doesn't matter whether they are 10 feet or 10 billion miles apart.
Somehow each particle always seems to know what the other is doing. The problem with this feat is that it violates Einstein's long-held tenet that no communication can travel faster than the speed of light. Since traveling faster than the speed of light is tantamount to breaking the time barrier, this daunting prospect has caused some physicists to try to come up with elaborate ways to explain away Aspect's findings. But it has inspired others to offer even more radical explanations.
University of London physicist David Bohm, for example, believes Aspect's findings imply that objective reality does not exist, that despite its apparent solidity the universe is at heart a phantasm, a gigantic and splendidly detailed hologram.
To understand why Bohm makes this startling assertion, one must first understand a little about holograms. A hologram is a three- dimensional photograph made with the aid of a laser.
To make a hologram, the object to be photographed is first bathed in the light of a laser beam. Then a second laser beam is bounced off the reflected light of the first and the resulting interference pattern (the area where the two laser beams commingle) is captured on film.
When the film is developed, it looks like a meaningless swirl of light and dark lines. But as soon as the developed film is illuminated by another laser beam, a three-dimensional image of the original object appears.
The three-dimensionality of such images is not the only remarkable characteristic of holograms. If a hologram of a rose is cut in half and then illuminated by a laser, each half will still be found to contain the entire image of the rose.
Indeed, even if the halves are divided again, each snippet of film will always be found to contain a smaller but intact version of the original image. Unlike normal photographs, every part of a hologram contains all the information possessed by the whole.
The "whole in every part" nature of a hologram provides us with an entirely new way of understanding organization and order. For most of its history, Western science has labored under the bias that the best way to understand a physical phenomenon, whether a frog or an atom, is to dissect it and study its respective parts.
A hologram teaches us that some things in the universe may not lend themselves to this approach. If we try to take apart something constructed holographically, we will not get the pieces of which it is made, we will only get smaller wholes.
This insight suggested to Bohm another way of understanding Aspect's discovery. Bohm believes the reason subatomic particles are able to remain in contact with one another regardless of the distance separating them is not because they are sending some sort of mysterious signal back and forth, but because their separateness is an illusion. He argues that at some deeper level of reality such particles are not individual entities, but are actually extensions of the same fundamental something.
To enable people to better visualize what he means, Bohm offers the following illustration.
Imagine an aquarium containing a fish. Imagine also that you are unable to see the aquarium directly and your knowledge about it and what it contains comes from two television cameras, one directed at the aquarium's front and the other directed at its side.
As you stare at the two television monitors, you might assume that the fish on each of the screens are separate entities. After all, because the cameras are set at different angles, each of the images will be slightly different. But as you continue to watch the two fish, you will eventually become aware that there is a certain relationship between them.
When one turns, the other also makes a slightly different but corresponding turn; when one faces the front, the other always faces toward the side. If you remain unaware of the full scope of the situation, you might even conclude that the fish must be instantaneously communicating with one another, but this is clearly not the case.
This, says Bohm, is precisely what is going on between the subatomic particles in Aspect's experiment.
According to Bohm, the apparent faster-than-light connection between subatomic particles is really telling us that there is a deeper level of reality we are not privy to, a more complex dimension beyond our own that is analogous to the aquarium. And, he adds, we view objects such as subatomic particles as separate from one another because we are seeing only a portion of their reality.
Such particles are not separate "parts", but facets of a deeper and more underlying unity that is ultimately as holographic and indivisible as the previously mentioned rose. And since everything in physical reality is comprised of these "eidolons", the universe is itself a projection, a hologram.
In addition to its phantomlike nature, such a universe would possess other rather startling features. If the apparent separateness of subatomic particles is illusory, it means that at a deeper level of reality all things in the universe are infinitely interconnected.
The electrons in a carbon atom in the human brain are connected to the subatomic particles that comprise every salmon that swims, every heart that beats, and every star that shimmers in the sky.
Everything interpenetrates everything, and although human nature may seek to categorize and pigeonhole and subdivide, the various phenomena of the universe, all apportionments are of necessity artificial and all of nature is ultimately a seamless web.
In a holographic universe, even time and space could no longer be viewed as fundamentals. Because concepts such as location break down in a universe in which nothing is truly separate from anything else, time and three-dimensional space, like the images of the fish on the TV monitors, would also have to be viewed as projections of this deeper order.
At its deeper level reality is a sort of superhologram in which the past, present, and future all exist simultaneously. This suggests that given the proper tools it might even be possible to someday reach into the superholographic level of reality and pluck out scenes from the long-forgotten past.
What else the superhologram contains is an open-ended question. Allowing, for the sake of argument, that the superhologram is the matrix that has given birth to everything in our universe, at the very least it contains every subatomic particle that has been or will be -- every configuration of matter and energy that is possible, from snowflakes to quasars, from blue whales to gamma rays. It must be seen as a sort of cosmic storehouse of "All That Is."
Although Bohm concedes that we have no way of knowing what else might lie hidden in the superhologram, he does venture to say that we have no reason to assume it does not contain more. Or as he puts it, perhaps the superholographic level of reality is a "mere stage" beyond which lies "an infinity of further development".
Bohm is not the only researcher who has found evidence that the universe is a hologram. Working independently in the field of brain research, Standford neurophysiologist Karl Pribram has also become persuaded of the holographic nature of reality.
Pribram was drawn to the holographic model by the puzzle of how and where memories are stored in the brain. For decades numerous studies have shown that rather than being confined to a specific location, memories are dispersed throughout the brain.
In a series of landmark experiments in the 1920s, brain scientist Karl Lashley found that no matter what portion of a rat's brain he removed he was unable to eradicate its memory of how to perform complex tasks it had learned prior to surgery. The only problem was that no one was able to come up with a mechanism that might explain this curious "whole in every part" nature of memory storage.
Then in the 1960s Pribram encountered the concept of holography and realized he had found the explanation brain scientists had been looking for. Pribram believes memories are encoded not in neurons, or small groupings of neurons, but in patterns of nerve impulses that crisscross the entire brain in the same way that patterns of laser light interference crisscross the entire area of a piece of film containing a holographic image. In other words, Pribram believes the brain is itself a hologram.
Pribram's theory also explains how the human brain can store so many memories in so little space. It has been estimated that the human brain has the capacity to memorize something on the order of 10 billion bits of information during the average human lifetime (or roughly the same amount of information contained in five sets of the Encyclopaedia Britannica).
Similarly, it has been discovered that in addition to their other capabilities, holograms possess an astounding capacity for information storage--simply by changing the angle at which the two lasers strike a piece of photographic film, it is possible to record many different images on the same surface. It has been demonstrated that one cubic centimeter of film can hold as many as 10 billion bits of information.
Our uncanny ability to quickly retrieve whatever information we need from the enormous store of our memories becomes more understandable if the brain functions according to holographic principles. If a friend asks you to tell him what comes to mind when he says the word "zebra", you do not have to clumsily sort back through some gigantic and cerebral alphabetic file to arrive at an answer. Instead, associations like "striped", "horselike", and "animal native to Africa" all pop into your head instantly.
Indeed, one of the most amazing things about the human thinking process is that every piece of information seems instantly cross- correlated with every other piece of information--another feature intrinsic to the hologram. Because every portion of a hologram is infinitely interconnected with ever other portion, it is perhaps nature's supreme example of a cross-correlated system.
The storage of memory is not the only neurophysiological puzzle that becomes more tractable in light of Pribram's holographic model of the brain. Another is how the brain is able to translate the avalanche of frequencies it receives via the senses (light frequencies, sound frequencies, and so on) into the concrete world of our perceptions. Encoding and decoding frequencies is precisely what a hologram does best. Just as a hologram functions as a sort of lens, a translating device able to convert an apparently meaningless blur of frequencies into a coherent image, Pribram believes the brain also comprises a lens and uses holographic principles to mathematically convert the frequencies it receives through the senses into the inner world of our perceptions.
An impressive body of evidence suggests that the brain uses holographic principles to perform its operations. Pribram's theory, in fact, has gained increasing support among neurophysiologists.
Argentinian-Italian researcher Hugo Zucarelli recently extended the holographic model into the world of acoustic phenomena. Puzzled by the fact that humans can locate the source of sounds without moving their heads, even if they only possess hearing in one ear, Zucarelli discovered that holographic principles can explain this ability.
Zucarelli has also developed the technology of holophonic sound, a recording technique able to reproduce acoustic situations with an almost uncanny realism.
Pribram's belief that our brains mathematically construct "hard" reality by relying on input from a frequency domain has also received a good deal of experimental support.
It has been found that each of our senses is sensitive to a much broader range of frequencies than was previously suspected.
Researchers have discovered, for instance, that our visual systems are sensitive to sound frequencies, that our sense of smell is in part dependent on what are now called "cosmic frequencies", and that even the cells in our bodies are sensitive to a broad range of frequencies. Such findings suggest that it is only in the holographic domain of consciousness that such frequencies are sorted out and divided up into conventional perceptions.
But the most mind-boggling aspect of Pribram's holographic model of the brain is what happens when it is put together with Bohm's theory. For if the concreteness of the world is but a secondary reality and what is "there" is actually a holographic blur of frequencies, and if the brain is also a hologram and only selects some of the frequencies out of this blur and mathematically transforms them into sensory perceptions, what becomes of objective reality?
Put quite simply, it ceases to exist. As the religions of the East have long upheld, the material world is Maya, an illusion, and although we may think we are physical beings moving through a physical world, this too is an illusion.
We are really "receivers" floating through a kaleidoscopic sea of frequency, and what we extract from this sea and transmogrify into physical reality is but one channel from many extracted out of the superhologram.
This striking new picture of reality, the synthesis of Bohm and Pribram's views, has come to be called the holographic paradigm, and although many scientists have greeted it with skepticism, it has galvanized others. A small but growing group of researchers believe it may be the most accurate model of reality science has arrived at thus far. More than that, some believe it may solve some mysteries that have never before been explainable by science and even establish the paranormal as a part of nature.
Numerous researchers, including Bohm and Pribram, have noted that many para-psychological phenomena become much more understandable in terms of the holographic paradigm.
In a universe in which individual brains are actually indivisible portions of the greater hologram and everything is infinitely interconnected, telepathy may merely be the accessing of the holographic level.
It is obviously much easier to understand how information can travel from the mind of individual 'A' to that of individual 'B' at a far distance point and helps to understand a number of unsolved puzzles in psychology. In particular, Grof feels the holographic paradigm offers a model for understanding many of the baffling phenomena experienced by individuals during altered states of consciousness.

Edited by stemmer (03/14/06 09:22 PM)

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Re: What Connects Trippers.. [Re: stemmer]
    #5401194 - 03/14/06 09:42 PM (18 years, 18 days ago)

so there you go......Its more of a secret than a well known fact.
ANyone who has gone as far as these substances can take you, knows that this is true especially within the confines of the human brain.
Psychedelics simply make those cognative processes come into the forefront of our imagination, and we can use them to our advantage.

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Re: What Connects Trippers.. [Re: stemmer]
    #5401437 - 03/14/06 10:36 PM (18 years, 18 days ago)

locality and objectivity fail, information becomes energy,

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Re: What Connects Trippers.. [Re: Taco Chef]
    #5401475 - 03/14/06 10:47 PM (18 years, 18 days ago)

There's always the fact that we don't use the entirety of our brains. Maybe this is where a 6th sense comes into play.

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Re: What Connects Trippers.. [Re: scyrusurcys]
    #5401820 - 03/15/06 12:40 AM (18 years, 18 days ago)

That's amazing. For about a month now I've been struggling with the fact that reality as we know it may be fake. But see, I enjoy this introduction to the concept a lot better than I enjoy salvia's way of going about it. At least now I can approach it logically and not emotionally.

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Re: What Connects Trippers.. [Re: scyrusurcys]
    #5401831 - 03/15/06 12:46 AM (18 years, 18 days ago)

WOW this is amazing, i agree with almost everything that was said. and i saw the world, my life, my afterlife under the circumstances mentioned in that article on a pretty strong mushroom trip. i can connect a lot of the stuff i was experiencing to that article. im glad you shared it stemmer.


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Re: What Connects Trippers.. [Re: knowhereman]
    #5401843 - 03/15/06 12:52 AM (18 years, 18 days ago)

I find the cognative implications to be the most applicable/true/interesting. What this article says about memory and simple cognition. It does get quite weird once you apply this idea to your external environment as it pertains to the your individual mind.

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Re: What Connects Trippers.. [Re: stemmer]
    #5401854 - 03/15/06 12:57 AM (18 years, 18 days ago)

Thats probably the best post I've ever read. I need more!

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Re: What Connects Trippers.. [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5403665 - 03/15/06 02:09 PM (18 years, 17 days ago)

Interesting indeed

More reading here


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Re: What Connects Trippers.. [Re: mikeyboy]
    #5405453 - 03/15/06 07:50 PM (18 years, 17 days ago)

i'm not sure wether i should curse myself for ever having come into this topic, or if i should really just let go and see where i end up. Does anyone else get frustrated at not being able to see the whole picture? at getting little snippets of information that are enough to rob days of sleep?


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Re: What Connects Trippers.. [Re: SapphireCat]
    #5405506 - 03/15/06 07:59 PM (18 years, 17 days ago)

all the time man, it messes with my head, theres just too much input...


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    #5406923 - 03/16/06 01:16 AM (18 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

SapphireCat said:
i'm not sure wether i should curse myself for ever having come into this topic, or if i should really just let go and see where i end up. Does anyone else get frustrated at not being able to see the whole picture? at getting little snippets of information that are enough to rob days of sleep?




:smile: Isn't it beautiful how every time you think you understand...another path opens for you.


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Re: What Connects Trippers.. [Re: FunkyLoFi]
    #5406962 - 03/16/06 01:36 AM (18 years, 17 days ago)

we are only human guys, our minds are not advanced enough to know everything. But hey thats just me and the way i think. And like SapphireCat says that he gets frusterated and looses sleep from this but in my opinion its just not worth trying to understand if your suffering over it.


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    #5407101 - 03/16/06 05:33 AM (18 years, 17 days ago)

i knew about both idea's seperately, but i had never seen it put together. thanks a ton for that awesome post.

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Re: What Connects Trippers.. [Re: oblivia]
    #5407279 - 03/16/06 07:49 AM (18 years, 17 days ago)

meh as i said: i hate it and love it at the same time. It's too interesting not to think about :P


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Re: What Connects Trippers.. [Re: SapphireCat]
    #5407300 - 03/16/06 07:58 AM (18 years, 17 days ago)

""The problem with this feat is that it violates Einstein's long-held tenet that no communication can travel faster than the speed of light. ... ""

it is still a truth..
instant communication, has NO SPEED!


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    #5407677 - 03/16/06 10:35 AM (18 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

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i'm not sure wether i should curse myself for ever having come into this topic, or if i should really just let go and see where i end up. Does anyone else get frustrated at not being able to see the whole picture? at getting little snippets of information that are enough to rob days of sleep?




Believe me, I have lost a lot of sleep over this stuff... I'm not even sure if it's worth trying to comprehend or if one day I'll break through and understand EVERYTHING and life will be a whole lot better. It's confusing as hell.

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Re: What Connects Trippers.. [Re: gotcha420haha]
    #5407788 - 03/16/06 11:05 AM (18 years, 17 days ago)

What connects trippers?? Hmm.. I feel that there is something there.

I can generally look at someone and tell whether or not they've been where I've been. It's radical. Ordinary people can't discern like that. People who trip seem to acquire some sort of universal knowledge somewhere along the line. Something timeless which offers us truth, it tells us the best ways to live. Not everyone takes this advice, but when you trip it's often thrown in your face. I've developed a lot of rules to live by while tripping and I feel that it's made me a wiser, more experienced individual. It's helped me to rise above the shallow incessent behavior of everyday life. To make the most of my time.

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Re: What Connects Trippers.. [Re: supersapien]
    #5407898 - 03/16/06 11:36 AM (18 years, 16 days ago)

man ive been halfsleep thinkin/meditating lately and a lot of this has been coming to be in some way or another, very nice thread!!

its all one dot, even your thoughts. when you realize that, shit hits the proverbial fan, no?

nothing like the 'you' being sucked into the thing you thought you were spectating


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