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Offlinewilshire
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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5403753 - 03/15/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

if i'm going to be defending myself with a gun, i want it to be a long gun. i'm not an expert, but what i've learned from the experts is that for home defense, nothing's better than a shotgun.

i'll probably amass quite an arsenal of long guns before i bother buying a single handgun.


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: wilshire]
    #5403873 - 03/15/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

, the strict rules here in my country to own a gun is fine by me, i dont mind if others have a diffrent opinion, everything can be debatet. i dont think im better than anyone-. im entitled to my opinion just as i think other are entitled to theirs either its gun, drug or other issues, both drugs and guns have potensial to be very dangerous and my opinon is that control is needet, i dont want neither guns or heroin flowing freely on the streets, you have the right to disagree with that


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: shriek]
    #5404115 - 03/15/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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shriek said:
i dont want neither guns or heroin flowing freely on the streets



This is where you and I separate fundamentally. Guns and heroin don't bother me, it's the junkies and murderers that do.


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: wilshire]
    #5404203 - 03/15/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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wilshire said:
there are good reasons for not wanting to own a gun. a big one i can think of for shrooomery members is not wanting the legal liability of having illegal drugs and guns in their possession simultaneously. that's fine... but when you go talking about how guns breed violence, etc., as someone who knows better and cares about private firearm ownership, i have to say something.

it's no different from my reaction (and i imagine yours) when someone starts spouting off nonsense about drugs.




As to the "guns breeding violence" issue. I understand that as a responsible gun owner you don't believe that guns have a link to violence, because your experience and reason for owning a gun is not related to a wish or desire on your part to act violently towards other people.

I think, though, that labelling a gun as merely a tool is not accurate. A gun is a tool for violence, i.e. shooting projectiles. Saying that a gun doesn't have an inherent violent nature is like saying that a suitcase doesn't have an inherent storage nature. Violence is what a gun is designed for, as storage is what a suitcase is designed for...and both do a damned good job. If someone wants to store things, then they are going to be able to do this more effectively with a suitcase. If someone wants to go on a murderous rampage, then they are going to be able to do this more effectively with a gun.

This is by no means a condemnation of the private ownership of guns. However, when guns are around things are more dangerous because it puts an increased capacity for violence into the hands of the people who own them. This seems obvious to someone like me who can't really stand being in the same room as a gun...to me everyone who owns a gun just seems no different from a cop, really. Although now and then I'll meet a cop who seems allright, they all make me nervous.

I'm getting off track...my point is simply that while a gun is a tool it is a tool of violence, and just as the world is threatened by a particular type of violence because nuclear bombs exist, the world is threatened by a particular type of violence everytime someone owns a gun.


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: gluke bastid]
    #5404232 - 03/15/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'm going to make a thread about the dislike of guns in P&S. I'd appreciate it if all who have participated in this thread stop through and throw some words into the mix.


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: daimyo]
    #5404436 - 03/15/06 04:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

We lazy.. need linkup


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Offlinewilshire
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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: shriek]
    #5404460 - 03/15/06 04:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

guns have potensial to be very dangerous and my opinon is that control is needet

that i agree with. children, the mentally ill, and people out on bail for, or convicted of, serious violent crimes should not be allowed to possess firearms. if you want to carry one in public you should have to obtain a permit and keep it concealed unless you're about to use it.


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: gluke bastid]
    #5404471 - 03/15/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

that sounds reasonable. i can't disagree with anything you wrote there.


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: wilshire]
    #5407226 - 03/16/06 07:20 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

keep it concealed unless you're about to use it.

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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: Alex213]
    #5407580 - 03/16/06 10:01 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

huh?


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5408028 - 03/16/06 12:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I prefer the HK msg90A1 for picking off idiots before they close 300 meters, I have yet to modify, its at home and I am walking around the country. Its a superiour gun with spurerior reliability. I can fairly easily remove the sight and proceed as if an assualt rifle, it has diopter sites, unlike the Hk msg90. Its alittle heavy, 14 lbs, but ah well, nearly six to seven lbs heavier than your weapon of choice, minus the drum. It shoots so sweet, smooth as butter. I have some picture of me fucking around with it in the woods back home. I will try and get someone to email them to me an then post them.


Specs

An extended ambidextrous safety/selector lever
PSG1 trigger mechanism with crisp three pound trigger pull and adjustable trigger shoe
Buttstock with adjustable length butt plate and vertically adjustable cheekpiece
10x Hensoldt telescopic sight
Heavyweight polygonal barrel with harmonic stabilizer to induce consistent barrel ?whip? for increased accuracy
20-round magazines (standard G3)
Forward assist for silent loading
T-rail for accessory attachment

this is exactly what mine looks like.


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: mack_tasticlies]
    #5447546 - 03/27/06 01:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

To hell with sniper rifles, I'll get you on the other side of the planet when I wheel out this baby.



SS-25 intercontinental ballistic missile.


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: wilshire]
    #5448371 - 03/27/06 05:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I think any honest assessment of history and the tallying of violent deaths would tell us that weapons in the hands of people acting on behalf of governments have done more damage than small arms in the hands of private citizens acting as private citizens. However, an examination of the facts will not persuade those whose primary decision making processes are based on emotional reactions of fear and lack of experience and knowledge of the tools in question.

I find guns fascinating from an engineering standpoint, fun to shoot, and unequaled as a means of empowering the physically weak to resist aggression. I have also experienced the time it takes for a person to dial 911 and wait for law enforcement to show up vs. the time it takes to chamber a round into a twelve gauge shotgun and dissuade an intruder. God created man, Colonel Colt made them equal. God bless Colonel Colt, Bill Ruger, 'Carbine' Williams, John Browning, Daniel B. Wesson and all the other great, imaginative and intelligent people who have contributed to the development of personal small arms.


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: mack_tasticlies]
    #5453099 - 03/28/06 09:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

mack_tasticlies said:
I prefer the HK msg90A1 for picking off idiots before they close 300 meters, I have yet to modify, its at home and I am walking around the country. Its a superiour gun with spurerior reliability. I can fairly easily remove the sight and proceed as if an assualt rifle, it has diopter sites, unlike the Hk msg90. Its alittle heavy, 14 lbs, but ah well, nearly six to seven lbs heavier than your weapon of choice, minus the drum. It shoots so sweet, smooth as butter. I have some picture of me fucking around with it in the woods back home. I will try and get someone to email them to me an then post them.


Specs

An extended ambidextrous safety/selector lever
PSG1 trigger mechanism with crisp three pound trigger pull and adjustable trigger shoe
Buttstock with adjustable length butt plate and vertically adjustable cheekpiece
10x Hensoldt telescopic sight
Heavyweight polygonal barrel with harmonic stabilizer to induce consistent barrel ?whip? for increased accuracy
20-round magazines (standard G3)
Forward assist for silent loading
T-rail for accessory attachment

this is exactly what mine looks like.






You drive that thing to the range too? What's it got about a 12 cd changer too? sure it's cool to have a gun with a bunch of stuff so you can shoot a long way accurate, but go ahead a just try a gun where you put bullets in it and then pull the trigger. it's a lot more impressive when you have iron sights and a 50cent size grouping at 300m then all that stuff and a 50cent grouping at 150m


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: wilshire]
    #5453141 - 03/28/06 09:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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wilshire said:you can get an SKS for less than $200. it's ugly, and you're not going to win any marksmanship trophies with it




i disagree, i think the lines of the SKS are simple, and classic. i also was a pretty good shot with my old one. certainly good enough to drop a deer (or a person, if it came to it) at 60+ yards with no scope. if outfitted with a composite stock, and a decent scope the sks can be a pretty damn good gun, with rediculous reliability to back it up.

i also have a 9mm large-frame taurus, a walther p22, and i'd like to another sks and a .45 this year.


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: wilshire]
    #5453820 - 03/29/06 12:26 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

keep it concealed unless you're about to use it.


So how many times have you had to "use it"?


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: Alex213]
    #5455283 - 03/29/06 01:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i don't carry a concealed weapon, i don't have a license to do so, and i'm not interested in getting one. i said early in this thread that i don't own a handgun and i don't want one.


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: wilshire]
    #5455380 - 03/29/06 02:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

forgive him, he very rarely understands what he reads.


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: snoopaloop53]
    #5455506 - 03/29/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

first of all, the range at which my rifle is effective is 800 meters, can't hit shit that far away without a scope. I can't hit shit that far away with the damn scope, its a long ways, on a good day, with very little wind and some luck, twelve hundred meters. That is a long way.

I bet you fifty bucks you can hit a 50 cent size grouping at three hundred meters, even with a scope, that is a very small space.

Like I said, I can strip it down and proceed as if it is an assault rifle, albeit an extremely accuate one and powerful one, weighing right about ten pounds, not much heavier than the current standard issue m16.

I also have some other guns for killing people when they get closer.

I also have a gun for killing motherfuckers at two miles.

An amorlite 50 cal sniper rifle, with a scope you can see god with.
Single shot.

Pull the trigger on that bitch and you can feel reality itself shattering.

It is awesome, except the time I wasn't paying attention ang got too close while a friend was shooting it and the discharge from the muzzle break knocked me over.

When I opened the wooden crate it was shipped to me in, there was a bottle of advil in it. It was funny.
My buddy who owns a gun shop in Atlanta put it in there, but still it was a fine joke.


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: mack_tasticlies]
    #5457868 - 03/30/06 12:31 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I also have some other guns for killing people when they get closer.


Talk is cheap. I have a feeling that the first time you were in such a situation you would be more likely to cry and make a mess in your drawers than use a gun.


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