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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: Gijith]
    #5400585 - 03/14/06 07:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

A venison loin chop may be the best of all loin chops (assuming it's not from a grandpa buck), and a proper chili con carne(with small chunks of meat, not ground) made from venison is the best. I have also made a smoked venison terrine with morels that someone said was the best thing he ever ate but that's probably beyond most people's equipment. The pan fried loin chop is really good though.


No way I'm ever gonna put on a public forum my choice of weapon. Talk amongst yourselves.


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: gluke bastid]
    #5400661 - 03/14/06 07:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

do y'all really think this might happen and that having a gun will help you overthrow the government?

it would be better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. you never know what can happen or the situations that might arise. it could be very important at some point.

as a matter of principle, i feel that you are not free unless you are armed. that's gonna come off a little extreme, but that's my philosophy.

you can get an SKS for less than $200. it's ugly, and you're not going to win any marksmanship trophies with it, but it's rugged and reliable. the ammunition is cheap and it's easy to maintain. because it uses a fixed ten round magazine and has a straight stock, it's legal in nearly all juristictions, even ones with "assault rifle" bans like california. at about $250 dollars for the rifle, ammunition, and the tools and supplies to keep it operating, why not?

i know a guy who had never fired a gun in his entire life, nor really considered owning one. he is your stereotypical liberal professional jew... never even touched a gun. a few years back he bought an AR-15, learned how to use and maintain it, and then sealed it and a few hundred rounds of ammunition into a wall of his house. not the best strategy, but definitely better than nothing, and a good compromise for him.


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: Silversoul]
    #5400810 - 03/14/06 07:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Paradigm said:
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Gijith said:
Some chance I could end up as a hunter in later years.



Me too. I've always wondered what vennison tastes like, and I wouldn't have the guilt trip of supporting factory farming.




You've never had venison? Man...it is fucking GOOD. It is better than beef. Imagine what God eats every day. That's what venison tastes like.


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: gluke bastid]
    #5401636 - 03/14/06 11:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You dont need to ask yourself when its a appropriate time to rise up against a tyrannical government. You will defenitely know when too. The hairs on your neck will stand up my friend.


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: wilshire]
    #5402266 - 03/15/06 06:53 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I would love to have a military caliber gun. It would be good protection when this world consumes itseself. Not to mention it would be fun to go out of the city and do some target practice, plus some of them look cool as fuck.

Are military style rifles legal to own in Canada?


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: wilshire]
    #5402317 - 03/15/06 07:26 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Let me see.. I live in Holland. Guns are illegal here unless on permit and the country is so small that you're going to shoot someone in the ass no matter which direction you shoot at.
Also our violent crime rate is very low.

If I lived in america however I would definitely persue owning a selection of guns, because:
--the country is big enough to actually shoot them (target practice)
--licences and purchase are no hassle
--its a high-violence country (killer burglars)
--you sincerely can't trust the government (killer cops)

Now let's see, so I'm standing at the counter with a huge bundle of cash right?


.50 sniper rifle + scope to make it accurate at one mile (dunno the name)
AK-47 kalashnikov assault rifle
Mossberg compact 12 gauge shotgun which d33p has in his signature
M1911A1 military pistol for .45 ACP
snub-nosed .38 revolver thats really small, in stainless steel


So as you see if I would buy guns it would all be military/police hardware. I'd use it for target practice & such (I'd particularly like shooting the .50 at 1 mile distance, must be quite a rush :wink:) but also defense if I'd have to.

Can an actual gun expert here comment on my selection?

Because this poll in a significant part is about defense, let me elaborate how I see this selection.

.50 sniper rifle --- world war three?
AK-47 kalashnikov assault rifle --- when something in the immediate neighborhood requires attention
Mossberg compact 12 gauge shotgun --- home defense duo
M1911A1 military pistol for .45 ACP --- home defense duo
snub-nosed .38 revolver --- personal protection


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: Asante]
    #5402326 - 03/15/06 07:30 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i dont want a gun , guns breed violance and america is a perfect example. no western country has more gun violance and no western country has more guns availble. i can see the connection, here in norway where not even cops wear guns there are hardly any gun violance.


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: shriek]
    #5402337 - 03/15/06 07:35 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

no violence breeds guns, america is just fucked. There are tonnes of guns in other countries, but they don't have the same problems america does, they do but not even close to the scale they do.


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: shriek]
    #5402373 - 03/15/06 07:50 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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i dont want a gun , guns breed violance




Mine would be primarily fun guns. I would perhaps hunt a few times but not at all regularly in any way (and not with those things LOL) but mainly use them for target practice.

Some people think that's fun and I don't think shooting at bricks, bottles and tin cans will lead to more violence.

The violence that counts is committed by a certain breed of people from all ages, races and walks of life who simply lack basic conscience, and most other voilence is commited by wholesome people who try to defend themselves against those types once they slipped into predator mode.

The truely violent people will be violent no matter what the law is, but strict gun laws does prevent many sheep from effective defense against the wolves.

If I were sitting behind a plate of nausea at Mc Donalds and some predator comes in and starts shooting people I'd be thankful if some hippie pulls a concealed gun and opens up to him in a smith & wesson way.

In a violent society it makes sense to have something to defend yourself, even if you don't agree with the notion. In medievel times everyone carried something, whether it was a nunchaku up the sleeve in China or a one-foot dagger in France.



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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: Asante]
    #5402397 - 03/15/06 07:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

when i think about it, i could use a shotgun and go hunting in the forrest. i can also see how target shooting can be fun.

another thing, around here, we fight like men, we can fistfight like crazy here (must be our viking blood) , either you win or you loose, maybe you get a black eye or a broken arm but you live the next day. and you can still call yourself a man either you win or loose and not a coward.

yes of course, if people ran around here and shot eachother i would have something to defent myself , but mostly i would seek another place to live. :smile:


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: shriek]
    #5402448 - 03/15/06 08:10 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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another thing, around here, we fight like men, we can fistfight like crazy here (must be our viking blood) , either you win or you loose, maybe you get a black eye or a broken arm but you live the next day. and you can still call yourself a man either you win or loose and not a coward.





You're mistaking.
There is a low percentage of people, no matter where you live, who's preferred way of fighting is slitting your throat from behind or other things that have nothing to do with fighting or honor in any sense.

Some people among us are Michael Meyers on the inside. Most can, with quite some restraint, overcome their urge to harm, hurt and butcher people (which is admirable considering the power of that urge), but some cannot.

Fistfighting has ethics. It is monkey social behavior and unwritten rules. Its recreational testosterone display. Some people however have very little humanity within them and are coldblooded killers.

Do an indepth websearch on the Antisocial Persoinality Disorder/Sociopathy/Psychopathy cluster. Much is just psychologic mumbo jumbo or plain BS but you'll find consistent reference to a certain group of people which are, to quote the movie, "natural born killers".


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: shriek]
    #5402455 - 03/15/06 08:11 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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shriek said:
i dont want a gun , guns breed violance



That's like saying cars breed violence, or knifes. Ignorance, stupidity, hate, and greed all breed violence. Guns do nothing of the sort. They are merely a tool.

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and america is a perfect example. no western country has more gun violance and no western country has more guns availble. i can see the connection,



I hope you don't seriously see things as this black and white. I'd like to see the facts upon which you base this correlation.

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shriek said:
here in norway where not even cops wear guns there are hardly any gun violance.



Norway has one of the highest gun ownership rates of any western European country, and certainly cannot be classified as having "hardly any gun violence" with 3% of homicides commited with a firearm, and 38.7% of suicides commited with a firearm. Source

There is violence though. In 1993 there were approximately 16,096 violent crimes reported. In 1999, it rose to 20,371. In 2005, it was at 25,064. Of that, around 35-40(average) are murders. 3% of 35-40 is 1.05-1.2. Violent crime is on the rise, and it is not the fault of guns.


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: shriek]
    #5402509 - 03/15/06 08:32 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i dont want a gun, guns breed violance and america is a perfect example.

guns do not breed violence. they fire projectiles.

no western country has more gun violance and no western country has more guns availble.

false and false.

you know how the anti-drug crowd is amusingly ignorant about drug facts and often makes silly and inaccurate statements on the subject?  :wink:


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: Asante]
    #5402574 - 03/15/06 08:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Can an actual gun expert here comment on my selection?

i'm not an expert, but i'd amend it like this:

get a rifle that is an intermediate between the kalashnikov and the fifty cal. that fifty is good for taking out vehicles at great distances, but it's very heavy and large. it would be difficult to move and hide, which would be a problem in a guerilla warfare scenario. in peacetime, it's a beast to shoot recreationally and worthless for self defense. it's overkill. i'd also not recommend a shotgun with a pistol-grip-only. they're hard to hit with.

my simplest recommendation for someone who would like to become an armed citizen is to start with a shotgun. you can hunt pretty much anything with it, clay birds are lots of fun, and it's the best all around weapon for home defense.


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: Silversoul]
    #5402598 - 03/15/06 09:06 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

while i'm on recommendations...

I'd like to have a gun, but I would want to get some non-lethal ammunition. I've heard about these shotgun shots that have salt in them, so they don't kill the person, but it causes a bunch of salt to penetrate their skin

nothing coming out the end of a shotgun is non-lethal. rock salt can kill.

if you shoot someone with rock salt, you're opening up yourself to a lawsuit for inflicting unecessary suffering, or criminal charges for assault, attempted murder, manslaughter, or murder.

the DA and your target's lawyer are going to use the fact that you hand loaded rock salt (what kind of sadistic nut are you? and if you killed them, was it an accident? did you not feel you were justified in killing them?) into shotgun shells, intending to use them on people, as ammunition of their own against you, and a jury is going to go right along with it.

you don't point a gun at someone unless you intend on and are justified in killing them. you don't shoot to scare or wound... anything that isn't worth killing someone over isn't worth shooting them over in the first place.


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: wilshire]
    #5402607 - 03/15/06 09:10 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

in my city there has been one muder in 10 years and that was with an axe not a gun. now i will call that hardly any gun violance.  and guns in norway are mostly hunting rifles and not hand weapons like revolvers and such.  i have never met one person who has been treatend or seen any guns at all, when i was in jail i didnt meet 1 person in the prison i was in that was involved in any crime with guns. . and most murders here are done by jealous husbands that kills their wife and not drive by shootings and whatever. but im not gonna aruge, im satisfied how things are here in the arctics of norway so

as for the guns breed violance sentence i made (lol i should know better than sayin that in this forum) but anyways i know it seems plausible and it may not be fact, yes a gun really does only fire a bullet and its the person who pulls the trigger that kills, but i do belive (fact or not) that if people here had more guns availble more murders would have happened. but forget that sentence :P

also i belive that the fact that cops dont wear guns here contributes to there is less criminals using guns. of course time is chaning, more and more immigrants are coming to this country some of them from areas with war, some of them was soldiers as kids and so on. this hekos increase the statistisc over violanet crimes. (but with that i dont mean im negative to immigrations just to make that very clear) its more of a challenge for the gov and for intergration politics.

and wiccan, i see your point im only speeking of my area without going into a analyzes of that,. there are fistfights , honorable or npt, but no gun fights and my point was simple i think that is a good (at least better) thing.

peace  :cool:

ps there is a reason i dont post here so much, the english here is kind of complicated and i feel im unable to explain what i mean in a good way, i would have made much better arguments if this debate was in norwegian

*wanders quietly away from this debate*


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: shriek]
    #5403094 - 03/15/06 11:54 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

where did you learn what you think you know about firearms?


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: wilshire]
    #5403232 - 03/15/06 12:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i have clearly used the word belive and im entitled to belive whatever i want, if you have some absolute true answers that says otherwise than anything i have said than please enlighten me. also i am able to see and observe what goes on around me. and then you have the obvious. im not sure what exactly you targeting here now. i have at least never claimed to be a expert on weapons or any such things.


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: shriek]
    #5403519 - 03/15/06 01:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

If people are looking for personal protection, your best bet is a handgun. Although shotguns armed with buckshot offer a severe degree of protection, they are bulky (at least the legal length ones)
they are somewhat uncomfortable when placed under your pillow or mattress. .My favorite is my S & W .357 magnum. Armed with hollow point bullets, you will knock down whatever hit, wherever you hit it. I can get to my gun, take the safety off, and fire a well aimed shot in approx 3 to 4 seconds. (from a sleeping position).

Remember, tactically, guns are only as good as the accessibility of them.


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Re: a gun poll for PAL [Re: shriek]
    #5403734 - 03/15/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

there are good reasons for not wanting to own a gun. a big one i can think of for shrooomery members is not wanting the legal liability of having illegal drugs and guns in their possession simultaneously. that's fine... but when you go talking about how guns breed violence, etc., as someone who knows better and cares about private firearm ownership, i have to say something.

it's no different from my reaction (and i imagine yours) when someone starts spouting off nonsense about drugs.


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