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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid *DELETED* [Re: Boom]
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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: blink]
#5399559 - 03/14/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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blinkidiot said: They also have a really beautiful art vault, as well as resources for spirituality, meditation, lucid dreaming and others as well as character vaults on people involved in the drug war, both good and bad.
It's a lot more than just "a drug site"
Very good point.
It's also a very large cultural library in and of itself.
I'm realizing that I take erowid for granted... it really is an impressively awesome website.
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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: Konnrade]
#5399620 - 03/14/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes, erowid is far more than 'just a drug site'. However, I can fully understand why a school would want to block access to that resource.
IMO - school network, school computers, they have every right to control and limit what you can and can not do with their resources.
Annoying? Yes - but also understandable.
From a teacher/administrative perspective, especially from one that will most likely have an anti-drug point of view, seeing students surf to sites which give details on drug use, and 'expierence reports' of other peoples drug use, along with information on how to do them, what the effects are, how much to use, etc.
It's a shame that they over-look the fact that the site is fairly unbaised and gives information on their dangers and harm-reduction also. It is also a shame that you get blocked off from their art galleries and non-drug resources.
But, at the end of the day - I can understand their position. Just go home and surf erowid on your own time instead of school time IMO.
Now, if your in a university, living in a dorm, and using the net from your own bedroom (but still their networks) - this does become a pain in the ass, and starting to over-step some boundries IMO, and that I would complain about.
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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: kaniz]
#5399667 - 03/14/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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In my experience in high school, most people probably wouldn't use erowid responsibly. But there's also a great loss of information for papers and such.
Still, as far as the kids go... they'd probably be looking for ways to get high as easily as possible. I can see why a school would block that in our current system. If you're avoiding proper drug education, this is more of an effect rather than cause.
I've said it before, but a lot of idiots just use erowid to SEE that some thing they can easily get has a *section* on the site. If it does, *great* we've struck gold! Rather than reading it, it is more of a list. The smarter ones might look at dosage advice. "Aw man cool. I've heard of this datura stuff before. We can get that easy! NUTMEG OMFGFOMFOMDOMSOMF!!!z"
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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: kaniz]
#5399674 - 03/14/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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You know, actually... public schools in the US are considered an appendage of the government, so they could quite easily be found to be violating 1st ammendment rights for denying access to a resource such as that to students.
But that's in the US. Elsewhere, things work differently.
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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: Konnrade]
#5399748 - 03/14/06 04:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I suppose students should also have the right not to be randomly searched at any time? Even their carts parked on property...
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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5399763 - 03/14/06 04:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Some rights have been harder to defend than others.
But the 1st ammendment tends to be regularly upheld for students.
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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: TurricaN]
#5399782 - 03/14/06 04:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Same thing I tell everyone in this case:
just google "nph-proxy" (with the quotes) and you will be given thousands upon thousands of web-proxies to use.
Works like a charm for most content blocking programs that I have seen.
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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: TurricaN]
#5399803 - 03/14/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah, big deal. just bypass this blocking with proxies.
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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid *DELETED* [Re: Vvellum]
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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: blink]
#5400012 - 03/14/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Some also block you out of google searches for anything saying proxy, just as they would for a porn search.
Your best bet would be to create your own somehow, on a private webpage (though not a free one, buy your own domain). One guy did this, though he did allow public access. He eventually stopped for bandwidth reasons, then the site got blocked I believe.
One thing that seems to work for some filters is the web translating thing, like altavista. Just translate from spanish to english, or whatever. Some words will be lost in the process...
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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5401328 - 03/14/06 10:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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One of the real big-guns in content-nazi software has recently evolved to be immune to the translator workaround
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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: Konnrade]
#5401402 - 03/14/06 10:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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N2H2?
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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5401428 - 03/14/06 10:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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