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OfflineTurricaN
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Schools blocking access to Erowid
    #5397855 - 03/14/06 05:26 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I happened to mention the site Erowid at another forum that I visited and someone remarked that the website was blocked on the computers in their school. Now, I know that schools are not exactly keen on drugs discussion, but does this strike anyone else as going a little too far?

I mean, Erowid isn't exactly promoting drugs and their information seems to be pretty accurate and non-biased to me. Does anyone else see it as a little backwards that kids should not be allowed to educate themselves about drugs?

Just curious to hear some views on this.


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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: TurricaN]
    #5397863 - 03/14/06 05:31 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well schools as a rule just try to keep any discussion of drugs from happening. Their stance on the matter is presented during their drug education curriculum, and they try to prevent other stances from permeating the students' minds.

As an academic institution, they are compelled to do as the parents desire and keep the children away from drugs... so they do things like what you've mentioned.

It's fucked up, but I don't blame them for it.


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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: TurricaN]
    #5397865 - 03/14/06 05:32 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I used to kick it in English on erowid.org all class...

Everyonce in a while teacher would kick me off, but the class was filled with kids with no academic ambition, let alone academic confidence, which creates an atmosphere teachers don't like... a bunch of stupid teenage kids talking about stupid shit.

So if you're articulated in speech, make strong points and give witty-ass responses to their requisitions after a while they take a subconscious liking to you and allow a larger degree of leverage when dealing with issues like getting on the computer...

It also helps if you're writing a "report" on cough medicine (ab)use.


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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: TurricaN]
    #5398013 - 03/14/06 07:25 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

If your position is anti-drug, and a website provides neutral, unbiased drug information, then it will appear to you as pro-drug.


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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid *DELETED* [Re: Silversoul]
    #5398039 - 03/14/06 07:37 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: blink]
    #5398053 - 03/14/06 07:41 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I remember back in high school we used this content nazi program that was always blocking sites that the instructors needed to access for legitimate educational purposes.

Content blocking services are usually nothing but problematic. They're also just ghey.


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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: Konnrade]
    #5398091 - 03/14/06 07:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well to be honest, it's just the sort of attitude i'd expect from fascist school governors really ("somebody please save the children" etc), but if you think that's bad - where i live, the local council has blocked Erowid from all computers at the library!!


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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid *DELETED* [Re: Dfekt]
    #5398094 - 03/14/06 07:57 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: TurricaN]
    #5398099 - 03/14/06 07:59 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

My college had content filters that are fucking retarded. I couldn't research a poem I was writing an essay on because it contained the word "naked". I couldn't view images of Michealangelo's David. I wrote them a letter about it, they didn't do anything.

Luckily, using corel caches, google caches, web-based proxies, open proxies, Jap, Tor, portable firefox and TorPark, it was possible to view anything I damn well wanted to :sun:


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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: TurricaN]
    #5398106 - 03/14/06 08:04 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

My campus blocks erowid as well.

I bet the library has MUCH better resources than erowid does :rolleyes:


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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: blink]
    #5398119 - 03/14/06 08:09 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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You have shitty librarians.
You're legally allowed to look at porn on library computers.  Call your local ACLU.




Really? Hmm... maybe in America but you wont be able to sell that shit to the uptight old fucks running your stereotypical English library!

I already complained to the administrator via email... funnily enough still waiting for a reply...

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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: Dfekt]
    #5398170 - 03/14/06 08:41 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It IS a respectable source of information on Neurochemistry, Ethnopharmacology, Ethnobotany, Health effects of drug use/abuse... etc.

Presented with that fact it would be easy to enlighten someone about how bad it makes them personally look if they block access to that.

It's like banning the merck index because it contains drugs... it's just not reasonable. Admittedly the Merck index is an accredited document that is considered THE official resource in some respects... but the two resources are still somewhat comparable.


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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: TurricaN]
    #5398214 - 03/14/06 09:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

They are probably using some filter that blocks out anything to do with drugs. Note how my name is "adrug"? I had a website with my name in the URL and my old job wouldn't let me view it because of the word "drug" in the URL. EVEN THOUGH it was a personal website and had absolutely nothing to do with drugs.

Honestly though, any self-respecting computer user would be able to figure out how to get around that filter. :smirk:


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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: TurricaN]
    #5398230 - 03/14/06 09:09 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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TurricaN said:
I happened to mention the site Erowid at another forum that I visited and someone remarked that the website was blocked on the computers in their school. Now, I know that schools are not exactly keen on drugs discussion, but does this strike anyone else as going a little too far?

I mean, Erowid isn't exactly promoting drugs and their information seems to be pretty accurate and non-biased to me. Does anyone else see it as a little backwards that kids should not be allowed to educate themselves about drugs?

Just curious to hear some views on this.




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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: Thin White Duke]
    #5398261 - 03/14/06 09:19 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Jeremy Boob said:
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TurricaN said:
I happened to mention the site Erowid at another forum that I visited and someone remarked that the website was blocked on the computers in their school. Now, I know that schools are not exactly keen on drugs discussion, but does this strike anyone else as going a little too far?

I mean, Erowid isn't exactly promoting drugs and their information seems to be pretty accurate and non-biased to me. Does anyone else see it as a little backwards that kids should not be allowed to educate themselves about drugs?

Just curious to hear some views on this.




www.spysurfing.com




My school blocked a large number of those proxies as well. They paid lazy fuckers to sit around finding new URLs to block.


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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: TurricaN]
    #5398274 - 03/14/06 09:24 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I can see where they're coming from.  While the information is solid and attempts to reduce possible harm, it is basically a how-to site about almost every illegal substance there is.

While I disagree with filtering information, if they are going to filter things, I can see why they'd block that site. :shrug:


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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: Thin White Duke]
    #5398277 - 03/14/06 09:25 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Jeremy Boob said:


www.spysurfing.com




:thumbup: i've been looking for something like that for ages! I used to just bounce through Babelfish (Altavista translator) when i wanted to look at blocked websites but that doesn't seem to work any more...


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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: Boom]
    #5398348 - 03/14/06 09:48 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Booooom said:
... it is basically a how-to site about almost every illegal substance there is...




Technically not true. It only covers the ones that are drugs. Other illegal substances are avoided alltogether, like explosives and such.

Unlike sites such as totse, where there are great ideas about how to get yourself killed involving LITERALLY every illegal substance there is.


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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: Konnrade]
    #5398354 - 03/14/06 09:49 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

:lol: Yeah I meant drugs when I said substances


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Re: Schools blocking access to Erowid [Re: Boom]
    #5398613 - 03/14/06 10:56 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, my school used to do the same thing. I eventually just set up my own proxy and never worried about it again.


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