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CherryBom
Yoga Gypsy


Registered: 12/26/98
Posts: 11,177
Loc: Ontario
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The Pub
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I want to know what you all think about the Pub.
Why do you post here? Why don't you post here? Tell me what you love, what you hate, what you would like to see differently. Tell me your gripes and concerns.
Don't forget to be respectful, tho. I know there are a lot of people out there with strong or negative opinions, and I want to hear those too, but in this thread; you must respect the rules of the pub.
Give'r.
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GnuBobo
Frilly Cuffs Extraordinaire


Registered: 06/17/04
Posts: 43,754
Loc: Charisma
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I don't like posting here because most of the posters come off as idiot delusional 17 year-old hippies.
NOT that I'm condemning that--I, too, once had long hair, took philosophy classes, and listend to Phish and went to a Widespread Panic concert while on Acid.
I wish the Pub had more critical thinking.
There's a reason Marxism hasn't yet o'erwhelmed the globe.
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Krishna
कृष्ण,LOL


Registered: 05/08/03
Posts: 23,285
Loc: oakland
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mostly, i post in the pub in the mornings while starting the work-day. it fits great with checking up a few newspapers, perhaps finding some new music to listen to.
oh and also, dead lyrics threads (though nowhere near as common today as before) always make me smile
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Liz
Owl Lady



Registered: 11/16/04
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Loc: Massachusetts
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I like the supportive community aspect of the pub. There's always someone to listen, offer words of advice or wisdom, or just shoot the shit if I'm bored. I find *most* people in here are pretty intelligent, opinionated, and creative. I enjoy reading what they have to say, and looking at pictures that people are willing to share.
Pubbers
-------------------- Remember, remember the fifth of November The gunpowder treason and plot. I see no reason why gunpowder treason Should ever be forgot.
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Silversoul
Rhizome


Registered: 01/01/05
Posts: 23,576
Loc: The Barricades
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I post in the Pub because I'm an OTD reject.
/me hangs head in shame
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Liz
Owl Lady



Registered: 11/16/04
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Loc: Massachusetts
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Bom made a serious thread asking for serious opinions and input. Don't derail it with ridiculous pub/otd shit please.
-------------------- Remember, remember the fifth of November The gunpowder treason and plot. I see no reason why gunpowder treason Should ever be forgot.
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THE KRAT BARON
one-eyed willie
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I love posting in the Pub, however it would be nice if certain rules were a little more lenient. Mainly the "No Flaming" rule, because a good insult is needed at times.
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Silversoul
Rhizome


Registered: 01/01/05
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Loc: The Barricades
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Re: The Pub [Re: Liz]
#5396690 - 03/13/06 09:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Liz said: Bom made a serious thread asking for serious opinions and input. Don't derail it with ridiculous pub/otd shit please.
No derailment. I was just giving an honest answer.
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Gillette
Jaded


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Re: The Pub [Re: Liz]
#5396691 - 03/13/06 09:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Liz said: I like the supportive community aspect of the pub. There's always someone to listen, offer words of advice or wisdom, or just shoot the shit if I'm bored. I find *most* people in here are pretty intelligent, opinionated, and creative. I enjoy reading what they have to say, and looking at pictures that people are willing to share.
Pubbers
ditto. well said
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CherryBom
Yoga Gypsy


Registered: 12/26/98
Posts: 11,177
Loc: Ontario
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mattzdope said: I love posting in the Pub, however it would be nice if certain rules were a little more lenient. Mainly the "No Flaming" rule, because a good insult is needed at times.
 It sure is. Do you think that the mods are unfair in thier judgement when it comes to reinforcing that rule?
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Krishna
कृष्ण,LOL


Registered: 05/08/03
Posts: 23,285
Loc: oakland
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Re: The Pub [Re: Liz]
#5396715 - 03/13/06 09:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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oh, and also people post a lot of great pictures of places they visit and/or live - it always gets me yearning for a trip somewhere
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Yarry
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Quote:
CherryBom said:
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mattzdope said: I love posting in the Pub, however it would be nice if certain rules were a little more lenient. Mainly the "No Flaming" rule, because a good insult is needed at times.
 It sure is. Do you think that the mods are unfair in thier judgement when it comes to reinforcing that rule?
definetly.
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Le_Canard
The Duk Abides

Registered: 05/16/03
Posts: 94,392
Loc: Earthfarm 1
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I like the Pub as well as OTD, although I think they could cool it with the song lyrics postings sometimes. It just depends on the mood I'm in, I suppose.
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CherryBom
Yoga Gypsy


Registered: 12/26/98
Posts: 11,177
Loc: Ontario
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Re: The Pub [Re: Yarry]
#5396726 - 03/13/06 09:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Elaborate, tell me why. This is an open discussion...take advantage of the opportunity.
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Silversoul
Rhizome


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Loc: The Barricades
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Well, I've noticed that Learyfan has attracted his share of controversy regarding his ban-happy ways.
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Liz
Owl Lady



Registered: 11/16/04
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Loc: Massachusetts
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I think that sometimes the pub is definitely over-moderated. I understand that the rules are in place for a reason, but I feel like in some cases they're enforced way more than they should be. I suppose its pretty hard to define where to draw the line, especially if it were to be left ambiguous, and ESPECIALLY with so many mods for one forum.
I don't know what to suggest, I guess that certain mods just be maybe a little more laid back?
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faslimy
Dead Man

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i think if mods were more relaxed with their bannings and post editing a lot more fun and intelligent conversation could be had and far less drama and controversy. it really is a simple and obvious answer.. for me anyway
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MOTH
Wild Woman


Registered: 06/06/03
Posts: 23,431
Loc: In the jungle
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Re: The Pub [Re: Liz]
#5396818 - 03/13/06 09:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Liz said: I think that sometimes the pub is definitely over-moderated. I understand that the rules are in place for a reason, but I feel like in some cases they're enforced way more than they should be. I suppose its pretty hard to define where to draw the line, especially if it were to be left ambiguous, and ESPECIALLY with so many mods for one forum.
I don't know what to suggest, I guess that certain mods just be maybe a little more laid back?
I agree with Liz. The Pub doesn't seem as "welcoming" as it used to. More like..."everything's the same color in here" now.
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Redstorm
Prince of Bugs



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I like the Pub. It's just a change of pace from OTD, and there are people here who I talk to who don't frequent OTD.
I think the mods just need to chill a bit on some regards, but overall they do a damn fine job.
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CaRnAgECaNdY
Tool's groupie


Registered: 04/09/04
Posts: 11,505
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I feel like I relate to most of the users in the pub. The shroomerites who post here aren;t here to put down others, they're just here to chill out, relax, have some decent conversation and have a few good laughs. I feel like I know you all so well and I've never met most of you.
This place is like no other and I could never say that enough.
I love you all!
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Le_Canard
The Duk Abides

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Loc: Earthfarm 1
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I think the mods could be a little more even-handed in their handling of the "no-flame" rule.
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notapillow
I want to be a fisherman


Registered: 09/29/03
Posts: 31,129
Loc: A rare and different tune
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Burke Dennings
baby merchant

Registered: 11/29/04
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ToiletDuk said: I think the mods could be a little more even-handed in their handling of the "no-flame" rule.
I agree. This is one of the more irksome flaws with the pub.
The pub has some really great posters, people that I wish I posted with more regularly. I just don't like posting in a forum that features moderators who claim to be "sworn enforcers" of the pub rules.
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notapillow
I want to be a fisherman


Registered: 09/29/03
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Loc: A rare and different tune
Last seen: 3 years, 11 months
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i love this place it sure has changed over the years but as long as i still have freinds here the pub will always be my home
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TYL3R


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Le_Canard
The Duk Abides

Registered: 05/16/03
Posts: 94,392
Loc: Earthfarm 1
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*insert scat picture here*
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Noetical
Flip Horrorshow

Registered: 11/28/04
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I like the place. It irks me when disagreement is regarded as flaming in here though.
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Adom
Totally Nude

Registered: 09/30/01
Posts: 10,877
Loc: Way Up North
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Re: The Pub [Re: Noetical]
#5396933 - 03/13/06 10:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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No OTDer could ever get away with what piller just pulled.
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notapillow
I want to be a fisherman


Registered: 09/29/03
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Loc: A rare and different tune
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Re: The Pub [Re: Adom]
#5396940 - 03/13/06 10:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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damn straight im too thuged
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THE KRAT BARON
one-eyed willie
Registered: 07/08/03
Posts: 42,409
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Quote:
CherryBom said:
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mattzdope said: I love posting in the Pub, however it would be nice if certain rules were a little more lenient. Mainly the "No Flaming" rule, because a good insult is needed at times.
 It sure is. Do you think that the mods are unfair in thier judgement when it comes to reinforcing that rule?
Most of the pub mods seem to be pretty fair, however from what I've seen there are a select few that make pretty wild judgement calls and tend to be biased towards certain members due to personal agendas or past encounters. That isn't really fair. I feel an ideal moderator should not hold grudges and treat every user equally.
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Le_Canard
The Duk Abides

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Loc: Earthfarm 1
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Re: The Pub [Re: Adom]
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Adom said: No OTDer could ever get away with what piller just pulled.
Exactly what I'm talking about! If I did that, I'd be shown the door.
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Adom
Totally Nude

Registered: 09/30/01
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Loc: Way Up North
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It's bullshit.
I even get away with it.
OTDer does it and it's a flame and they are given points.
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THE KRAT BARON
one-eyed willie
Registered: 07/08/03
Posts: 42,409
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Re: The Pub [Re: MOTH]
#5396967 - 03/13/06 10:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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EllemyshShade said: "everything's the same color in here" now.
Exactly. People are entitled to have a bad day and lash out once in a while, or get annoyed by somebody who's blatantly full of shit and call them out on it, that's life. In the pub you are expected to have a happy day everyday, that's not realistic. I mean I understand that OTD exists but some people such as myself prefer posting in the Pub regardless.
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notapillow
I want to be a fisherman


Registered: 09/29/03
Posts: 31,129
Loc: A rare and different tune
Last seen: 3 years, 11 months
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Re: The Pub [Re: Adom]
#5396976 - 03/13/06 10:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Adom said: It's bullshit.
I even get away with it.
OTDer does it and it's a flame and they are given points.
hah you used to get away with it more than anyone
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CherryBom
Yoga Gypsy


Registered: 12/26/98
Posts: 11,177
Loc: Ontario
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RE: all
Some of you, I find, are being very quick to judge. You say you want more freedom and less laws, but if your constantly pushing the envelope, there are going to be consequences...you know?
You say you want the right to have a bad day and tell someone to fuck off, I think you do have that right. If you go to work and have a shitty day and tell some asshole to fuck off, it's just a thing that happened and no one is going to think twice about it. If you go to work and tell someone to fuck off for two weeks straight people are going to start thinking you're an asshole with a bad attitude, which might actually be the case given the consistency.
I think it's ok to be crankey and pissy sometimes... hell, I know I am. I'm know I show it at times, too. If you want more freedom in the pub, share your cheesy side with us too. Not just the crankey one. Show us your pictures of your cat, or baby, or brothers wedding. Tell us about your new job, your weekend, your girlfriend.
I think the ones who feel singled out are maybe the ones who present themselves negatively?
I asked pillow to edit his post in respect to the discussion at hand and my request in the first post of the thread. He did and I'm grateful for it. I think I would have extended the same courtesy to any member, wether they frequent the Pub, OTD, or any other forum.
Each different moderator does bring a different perspective into the mix. We all choose our battles differently but I think we all have the same general motives.
Keep telling me things...I like this thread.
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notapillow
I want to be a fisherman


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i play by the rules
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Adom
Totally Nude

Registered: 09/30/01
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Loc: Way Up North
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Well I should add that for the most part you guys and gals do a damn good job and I'm happy to have a place I can post comfortably in.
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Redstorm
Prince of Bugs



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I am rarely negative, you can ask anyone if here that. I was banned in the Pub once, and I was definitely not pushing the envelope. I am not a trouble maker, that much is damn sure.
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THE KRAT BARON
one-eyed willie
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Great post Bom, couldn't agree with you more. Like I said, I love the pub, and all in all you guys do a great job as Adom said. 
It's just too bad a certain two pub mods don't feel the same way as yourself and the others. Most of the drama that goes down in here in one way or another seems to involve these two certain mods.
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lukeboots
fresh futuristic

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I like the pub, but as has been said - expecting the world to be flowers and sunshine every day is ridiculous. Negativity needs to be allowed. It's part of life.
That said, I sometimes feel like I don't have much freedom here. But when I'm all cheery and and ready to talk like a hippy, this is where I go.
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Boom
just a tester

Registered: 06/16/04
Posts: 11,252
Loc: Cypress Creek
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I pop in and post randomly throughout the day.. I like it to see what's going on and such
I'm not a hippy by any means; I am way more of a drinker than a pothead nowadays as it is. I just like posting here as it gives me something to do while bored. Also, I've gathered more information here about torrents and DVD burning and things of that nature than anywhere else on the web 
I do believe that enforcement of the rules is selective -- as many have said in this thread, many pub regulars get away with pushing the envelope way more than OTD regulars.
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daimyo
Monticello

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The Pub is good because there's a lot going on usually, and it has a relaxed atmosphere.
The Pub is bad because of bias in moderating, specifically towards those viewed as OTDers, and dissenters. Another flaw is the flowers and candy attitude/agenda that is pushed. While it is nice to have somewhere that isn't an all out flame war, it sucks when moderators act like 6th grade principals.
To make The Pub better, standardization of moderation would be a step in the right direction.
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Gr8fulJ420
strange but nota stranger


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I like knowing that somewhere, there's somebody smoking a bowl and chillin in the Pub, while I do the same thing. I like seeing pics of pipes and what's been loaded.
I really dig all the deadheads who've managed to find their way here and share their experiences and stories. Krishna mentioned the lyrics... those are always nice :-)
One of the chillest places on the internet.... Where the hell would we all post if we didn't have the Pub???
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GnuBobo
Frilly Cuffs Extraordinaire


Registered: 06/17/04
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Loc: Charisma
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Quote:
CherryBom said: RE: all
Some of you, I find, are being very quick to judge. You say you want more freedom and less laws, but if your constantly pushing the envelope, there are going to be consequences...you know?
You say you want the right to have a bad day and tell someone to fuck off, I think you do have that right. If you go to work and have a shitty day and tell some asshole to fuck off, it's just a thing that happened and no one is going to think twice about it. If you go to work and tell someone to fuck off for two weeks straight people are going to start thinking you're an asshole with a bad attitude, which might actually be the case given the consistency.
I think it's ok to be crankey and pissy sometimes... hell, I know I am. I'm know I show it at times, too. If you want more freedom in the pub, share your cheesy side with us too. Not just the crankey one. Show us your pictures of your cat, or baby, or brothers wedding. Tell us about your new job, your weekend, your girlfriend.
I think the ones who feel singled out are maybe the ones who present themselves negatively?
I asked pillow to edit his post in respect to the discussion at hand and my request in the first post of the thread. He did and I'm grateful for it. I think I would have extended the same courtesy to any member, wether they frequent the Pub, OTD, or any other forum.
Each different moderator does bring a different perspective into the mix. We all choose our battles differently but I think we all have the same general motives.
Keep telling me things...I like this thread.
While there's no need get nasty about things (I moderate at another site--I'm nearly at that place where I'll get myself banned for lashing out at supergay users ), "flaming" and strong convictions expressed in a coherent way shouldn't be "punished" in the interest of oatmeal user interaction. That sort of "inclusion to the point of being exclusionary" smacks of what books to burn when they make too many people disagree. 
I understand the mods here have a tough job. I can sympathize. I wish this forum would loosen up a bit, though. I mean, we're all over 18 here. This site is devoted to disseminating information that is aimed at breaking the law in certain parts of the world.
Juxtapose that idea to poo pics, for instance.
What's more harmless?
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goobler
Reanimated



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Quote:
CherryBom said:
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mattzdope said: I love posting in the Pub, however it would be nice if certain rules were a little more lenient. Mainly the "No Flaming" rule, because a good insult is needed at times.
 It sure is. Do you think that the mods are unfair in their judgment when it comes to reinforcing that rule?
both extremely unfair and heavily biased
I post in both the pub and OTD and try to adhere to the rules of the pub when in here. Each space is filled with its on mindless dribble so you have to wade through a lot of shit to find a gem.
the pub is a nice place but often some regular members and mods come off as their shit dont stink.
thats not a flame , but a truthful observation.
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Konnrade
↑↑↓↓<--><-->BA



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The only thing I dislike is that if somebody is acting like an inbred sheep-fucking retard... I am not allowed to address them appropriately as such.
But meh... otherwise it's cool here.
I have OTD for when I must be blunt to the point of insult
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TYL3R


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Re: The Pub [Re: blink]
#5397985 - 03/14/06 07:14 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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LOL
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OneMoreRobot3021


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Re: The Pub [Re: Noetical]
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The Noetic Hogan Nip said: I like the place. It irks me when disagreement is regarded as flaming in here though.
Too often when I log in and check out the recent ban activity do I find myself agreeing with you.
Now, the thing is, because the internet gives way to flame wars easily, I still think there's a good reason why "no flaming" is a rule in the first place..you call someone a shitdick, they call you a fucking asshole, conversation is over, it sounsd like that for the rest of the thread.
But sometimes when I see people getting warned for shit like "are you fucking retarded?" or "why were you acting like such a pussy?" my face looks like this: . Because I mean...that's how people talk. I don't know about you and your friends, but me and mine like to rag on each other. It is part of the fun of being human to poke fun at each other and rag on each other and curse while we're doing it. The lack of tone of voice here on the net makes shit tough, though, I suppose.
But in general I post in the Pub because it gives me a good feeling inside, a fuzzy one right between my cock and my navel. These people are my friends and family and I love 'em. It's like no other community on earth here in the Pub. (and I'd say the same about OTD. )
-------------------- Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake. -Erik Davis
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TYL3R


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navel.
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CherryBom
Yoga Gypsy


Registered: 12/26/98
Posts: 11,177
Loc: Ontario
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Re: The Pub [Re: GnuBobo]
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GnuBobo said:
"flaming" and strong convictions expressed in a coherent way shouldn't be "punished" in the interest of oatmeal user interaction.
I agree with this statement 100%. Strong opinions expressed in an intelligent, coherent manner should defintely NOT be punished. I think perhaps the biggest issue lays with different moderators having different opinions on what flies and what doesn't.
The fact of the matter is that a lot of people lose thier temper. One of the biggest hinderances to open communication is anger. People get worked up and they stop listening to the other person involved and get defensive. I see this happening at times where it's not necessary to get worked up.
Straight up flaming is rude behavior and I think that's pretty much the most important rule in the Pub. If you feel the need to have a heated discussion with someone in the Pub, I think that's ok...just do it in such a manner that you don't come off as a close minded, quick tempered, fool. A discussion works two ways....listen to your opponent. You would appreciate the same respect. 
I think that's really what it's all about when it comes down to it. A little bit of repect. Coming from moderators and members alike.
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goobler
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Bom, thats a nice theory but it hasnt been used effectively here
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OneMoreRobot3021


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Also, I really don't know how the other mods operate all the time, but I'd like to see more time taken (in the spirit of YOU, Bom, who are so good at this) to send a warning that isn't "official" and talk it out via PM with users.
The membership of the Pub seems to feel more than ever feels as if they are "down there" and we are "up here." You can feel it in the air...the feeling that a stick may come down on one's ehad any moment.
-------------------- Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake. -Erik Davis
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what need to be done(on the mods part) is treat the position like a Job, not letting anything personal get in the way...
the posters however...well, we're all dicks at some point
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Re: The Pub [Re: goobler]
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goobler said: what need to be done(on the mods part) is treat the position like a Job, not letting anything personal get in the way...
the posters however...well, we're all dicks at some point
I'm sure I could say something sarcastic involving your use of the words "dick" and "point", but then that would be acting like a dick.
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Re: The Pub [Re: Konnrade]
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well, you are what you eat.....
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Re: The Pub [Re: blink]
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so what do you do at work?
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Re: The Pub [Re: goobler]
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I like the pub because you can ask questions and get a serious and funny/sarcastic answers at the same time and everyone is usually level headed.
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I used to think the pub was overrun by hippies. And it was. But now, it seems a little more balanced. Long live the Pub!
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GnuBobo said:
"flaming" and strong convictions expressed in a coherent way shouldn't be "punished" in the interest of oatmeal user interaction.
I agree with this statement 100%. Strong opinions expressed in an intelligent, coherent manner should defintely NOT be punished. I think perhaps the biggest issue lays with different moderators having different opinions on what flies and what doesn't.
The fact of the matter is that a lot of people lose thier temper. One of the biggest hinderances to open communication is anger. People get worked up and they stop listening to the other person involved and get defensive. I see this happening at times where it's not necessary to get worked up.
Straight up flaming is rude behavior and I think that's pretty much the most important rule in the Pub. If you feel the need to have a heated discussion with someone in the Pub, I think that's ok...just do it in such a manner that you don't come off as a close minded, quick tempered, fool. A discussion works two ways....listen to your opponent. You would appreciate the same respect. 
I think that's really what it's all about when it comes down to it. A little bit of repect. Coming from moderators and members alike.
When I was banned in here, it was for this smiley: 
I wasn't angry or serious when I posted it, yet I was still banned. Where do you stand on a banning like that?
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Re: The Pub [Re: Redstorm]
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As I recall, Learyfan said that ban was on the grounds of trolling - I'm just curious, were you warned before that, told that your behavior in the thread was trollish?
-------------------- Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake. -Erik Davis
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Re: The Pub [Re: Redstorm]
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That's weak.. that's interpreting something as a personal attack, and just because someone doesn't like you, you can be banned. I think maybe (and I don't know if this doesn't already occur..) two mod's should have to agree to ban someone, or even to give them points towards a ban
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Re: The Pub [Re: Boom]
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Sometimes, shit gets heated, and someone needs to be banned, right there and then. And sometimes there's only one mod online. So that doesn't work.
-------------------- Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake. -Erik Davis
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I was not warned before that and I had never been an issue with Learyfan. Trolling is not just doing something once, it is the continual teasing and bothering of a person. I didn't even tease someone, let alone relentlessly.
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Oh ok.. yeah just after I posted that, I thought about the Polls forum. If someone gets out of line in there...
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Re: The Pub [Re: Redstorm]
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According to the record, you were banned the day before that for the exact same thing, by Learyfan.
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Re: The Pub [Re: trendal]
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I'm talking about the first one.
I deserved the second one. I broke the rules on purpose.
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Re: The Pub [Re: Redstorm]
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Oh ok, my bad
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Re: The Pub [Re: trendal]
#5398604 - 03/14/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, there's not a chance in hell I would complain about the second one. I knew what I was doing, and accept the consequences of it.
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Re: The Pub [Re: Redstorm]
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Who was it that got their name changed to Leary_Ban? Wasn't that screenprinter?
Hell, if somebody can get away with that... it doesn't seem right to ban someone else for use an official shroomery smiley... that's a bit too vigilant methinks.
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CherryBom said: I think perhaps the biggest issue lays with different moderators having different opinions on what flies and what doesn't.
That is most certainly a huge part of the problem. On more than one occasion I've been warned, or had a thread deleted, by one moderator while yet another has posted in it. Or got a warning/deletion over a thread that was up for well over 6 hours. That's some bullshit.
Standardization of moderation...focus on it.
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I really don't know how the other mods operate all the time, but I'd like to see more time taken (in the spirit of YOU, Bom, who are so good at this) to send a warning that isn't "official" and talk it out via PM with users
Subtle modding is key. Covertly slip into posts if they begin to get heated and do some skillfull non content clearing editing. Follow with a post in the thread (and a non official pm) to drop it down a notch in a non confrontational manner (so people don't think they are being singled out in front of everyone and it turns into a pissing contest).
I think mods should strive to be as invisible as possible duty wise.
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Re: The Pub [Re: Noetical]
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Good idea.
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Burke Dennings
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Re: The Pub [Re: TYL3R]
#5399091 - 03/14/06 12:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I would like to hear from the ban-happy mods, maybe they could explain why they like to "push the button" so often.
I'm curious as to why the pub needs people who are "sworn to enforce".
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Re: The Pub [Re: TYL3R]
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I don't post much anymore... my life is relatively uninteresting, so i don't usually have anything of worth to say. I usually like to give others advice.
I enjoy reading more. Its cool to read somebody's post, and be like "oh shit, i partied with that guy last summer" The veterans forum is where its at.
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OneMoreRobot3021 said: Sometimes, shit gets heated
Dammit...I was so about to post a picture of a turd on a plate in a microwave and then I remembered that I would get banned if I did that in the Pub.
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I'm weary of the banstick sometimes in the pub. I just post what I want and if it's out of line i'll change it rather than argue with a mod.
A ban should be for noncompliance and repetitive shit, IMO.
I like this place. I can be completely honest but at the same time I don't feel like sharing as much as others do.
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Re: The Pub [Re: Cowgold]
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This has been my home since day one on the shroomery. I like the people and the topics. I have posted in other forums but this is my base.
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Re: The Pub [Re: goobler]
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mattzdope said: I love posting in the Pub, however it would be nice if certain rules were a little more lenient. Mainly the "No Flaming" rule, because a good insult is needed at times.
 It sure is. Do you think that the mods are unfair in their judgment when it comes to reinforcing that rule?
both extremely unfair and heavily biased
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mattzdope said: I love posting in the Pub, however it would be nice if certain rules were a little more lenient. Mainly the "No Flaming" rule, because a good insult is needed at times.
 It sure is. Do you think that the mods are unfair in their judgment when it comes to reinforcing that rule?
both extremely unfair and heavily biased
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Re: The Pub [Re: goobler]
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i like the pub, i dont post here too often but i come in here everyday and read trough the posts. I dont know why I like it, I just do. Good vibes I guess.
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Re: The Pub [Re: blink]
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YAY!!! (haha i'm messin around)
Do you seperate your personal life from your professional, or do you take everything personal no matter where or what you're doing?
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I think the pub is................... the pub. It's unique, I don't know. I like pretty much all of the forums here, so no complaints from my end.
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Re: The Pub [Re: blink]
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goobler said: so what do you do at work?
I work.
thats just fucked, everyone else posts on the shroomery
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Yeah, really.. I miss my old office job. I'd be on here readin posts all day.
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The pub is just a chill place. The personalities here are so awsome (usually). I dunno why but I love it!
The only real complaint is the selective enforcement of the rules. I see some post something totally rude and it stays up, then 2 threads down someone is getting banned for something that is only questionable.
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Pub mods have final say and can enforce these rules as they see fit.
But, keep in mind, we're not robots (we'll one among us is) I don't see everything, I try to stop in as much as possible, but I have a life. Can't spend all day here.
To be fair, there have been long periods of time where only two or three mods on the list have been present (in fact, I never see some mods that are assigned to this forum actually post in here), more often than not, I'm one of those here. Only one, of maybe two or three mods that have check the forum all day. So people see a disproportional amount of posts edited by me or whatever. I don't have it in for anyone, if you see something that you find disagreeable, there is a "notify mod button."
Whoever said that we should treat this like a job, that's not gonna happen, it's just not reasonable. Not saying I'm gonna act like an asshole or anything, but the day we get paid for this will be the day I start treating this like a job, I have a job already, fuck that. I already find myself checking what I say and not saying things I would have normally. I come here to have fun too.
Morel of the story, don't act like a dick in the pub and you won't hear a peep from me.
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Re: The Pub [Re: gdman]
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Why not treat it like a volunteer service? You can treat it like a job, yet not be paid.
I guarantee if I was a mod, I would treat it exactly like a job.
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Re: The Pub [Re: Redstorm]
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I'm not saying I take shit personally, I'm just saying there's no way I'm treating it like a job, that'd take the last shred of fun I have posting here. That'd be terrible.
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Re: The Pub [Re: gdman]
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gdman said: I'm just saying there's no way I'm treating it like a job, that'd take the last shred of fun I have posting here.
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Re: The Pub [Re: gdman]
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Yeah, that's fair. I understand what you're saying.
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Re: The Pub [Re: gdman]
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Morel of the story, don't act like a dick in the pub and you won't hear a peep from me.
Mushroom pun? 
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now we're having fun 
-gd
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For the record, I would never, EVER do that to anyone other than OMR, cause I know he'll think it's funny and it wasn't the first time he's called me out .
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Re: The Pub [Re: trendal]
#5399921 - 03/14/06 04:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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trendal said:
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gdman said: I'm just saying there's no way I'm treating it like a job, that'd take the last shred of fun I have posting here.
my point was, for those of you who apparently completely missed or are sidestepping it, you need to take the emotion and personal agendas out of your moderation.
sometimes I feel like I'm the Kindergarden Cop
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Re: The Pub [Re: goobler]
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Whoever said that we should treat this like a job, that's not gonna happen, it's just not reasonable. Not saying I'm gonna act like an asshole or anything, but the day we get paid for this will be the day I start treating this like a job, I have a job already, fuck that. I already find myself checking what I say and not saying things I would have normally. I come here to have fun too.
Didn't I say that? The same applies to everyone else to, people seem to take it personally when they get their posts edited or whatever, don't!~
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Re: The Pub [Re: goobler]
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Case in point, re: unfair moderation.
Were I to tell a noob that their first post is unacceptable and to make a "proper" one, I'd get banned in record time. However, traditional pubbers can get away with shit like that.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5399773/an/0/page/0/gonew/1#UNREAD
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Re: The Pub [Re: gdman]
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I never have complained about your moderation style, and although I responded to you , I apologize , it wasn't directed at you
its just hard to enforce rules when you let feelings get in the way(again not directed at you)
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Re: The Pub [Re: gdman]
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gdman said: For the record, I would never, EVER do that to anyone other than OMR, cause I know he'll think it's funny and it wasn't the first time he's called me out .
You were the mod that killed my only puppet - the Grammar Czar!
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That poppet had so much potential too
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Re: The Pub [Re: Noetical]
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For serious.
-------------------- Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake. -Erik Davis
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Re: The Pub [Re: gdman]
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gdman said: Whoever said that we should treat this like a job, that's not gonna happen, it's just not reasonable. Not saying I'm gonna act like an asshole or anything, but the day we get paid for this will be the day I start treating this like a job, I have a job already, fuck that. I already find myself checking what I say and not saying things I would have normally. I come here to have fun too.
If that's the way you feel then why not step down from your position in the "community" forum? What I'm asking you is, why do you choose to moderate if you cannot keep your emotions in check? Why not just be a member so you don't have to worry about it? Being a moderator of a forum you should be able to keep a level head and hold no personal agenda regarding certain members.
edit: Just responding to your post, nothing personal, you've always been cool. However... a reply to the questions would be nice, it'd also be nice if LF would answer those same questions.
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Re: The Pub [Re: blink]
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sorry if this seeems like butting in, but
1 I've enjoyed the pub more than anyother section of this board so far.
2 I'm a moderator on a rather large forums as well, and modding is a hard job, not jus cause you have to remain objective, and you have to enforce the rules (which stoners [here] and occultists/conspiracy buffs [mine] by nature hate,) but also b/c you have to temper your post everytime...everything one writes, b/c of that name color gets taken with extra weight, or ethos to use the rhetorical turn
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I like the pub because it has a very relaxed attitude, but not to the point where people are general pricks.
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CherryBom said: I want to know what you all think about the Pub.
Why do you post here? Why don't you post here? Tell me what you love, what you hate, what you would like to see differently. Tell me your gripes and concerns.
Don't forget to be respectful, tho. I know there are a lot of people out there with strong or negative opinions, and I want to hear those too, but in this thread; you must respect the rules of the pub.
Give'r.
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I can't believe how much this place has changed in the year since I've been here! The flood of new people is crazy, but that's what this place is about. I enjoy the Pub, but I'm not an avid poster here. In fact, I don't really post anymore period. My sense of humor and gregariousness isn't quite the same online as it is irl 
It's neat how so many personalities and nationalities converge in this one room. Each person has something unique to offer, a glimpse into many different lives around the world. Noobs are apart of the action and growth of this place, too. As much as I want to flame them sometimes, we all started out somewhere...
The moderators do seem to do a fine job here. I have noticed some discrepencies on how certain people/posts are handled, but in reality that's how real life runs. It's all about the perception. Each person has a different POV, and it's sometimes very difficult to convey that through text. The Pub isn't a utopia, as much as this drug culture would like it to be.
Through the Pub, and also through another forum, I've met some truly wonderful people. For that I am forever grateful
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YOU BEEN SEEIN' ANOTHER FORUM?!
/me grabs a shotgun
What's the bastard's name?
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hey now, ain't you been seein' that other forum, too?
please PLEASE come back to the trailer and make sweet love to me bubba! If you shoot 'im up that'll be the end of it tween you 'n me!
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Well...
Mebbe he kin just join in then. 
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Burke Dennings
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Way to add validity to the discussion. COULD A REAL MOD LOCK THIS THREAD, PLZ?
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Re: Ghey Thread [Re: TYL3R]
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Ok, now throughout the course of this thread, there is one major theme: inconsistency. My summary of all this is that in general, most people are genuinely happy with the way things pan out in here except that there are inconsistencies with certain rules, certain members, and certain moderators.
I can't promise change, because that's beyond my control. What I can promise you is that I truly want to see our team of moderators work for everyone and not against them. That takes a lot of respect coming from both sides. I'd like to try and extinguish the whole us vs. them mentality. I don't know how realistic that is, but I guess we'll find out.
Thank you to everyone who voiced thier feelings in this thread. I don't want people to be afraid to speak up in fear of a ban...that's so NOT what this place is all about, and if that is how you feel...well then there is the problem right there.
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Re: The Pub [Re: blink]
#5404066 - 03/15/06 03:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Certainly.
Some mods feel bad that most members are aware of biased/inconsistent moderating, and would like to change things for the better. Unfortunately, all mods are different, and this will never happen as long as things remain the same. Also, there is no consensus on what measures may alleviate some of the problem.
Oh, and this thread was meant to form a list of dissenters so they can be hurried along the path to PERMAland. And Allah is great.
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Re: The Pub [Re: blink]
#5404087 - 03/15/06 03:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've learned that there are a lot of people out there who feel invalidated because of unfair treatment. I can symphasise with that.
I'm still not too sure what the next step is helping the Pub grow and still making it a welcome, friendly enviroment for as many different people as possible. Maybe there isn't anything at all that can be done? I don't think that is the case, however.
I'd like to hear a few other summaries, disagreements or suggestions. This thread isn't about what I think...it's about what everyone else thinks.
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Re: The Pub [Re: blink]
#5404094 - 03/15/06 03:26 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Not in general. There are some mods I feel have repeatedly abused their position to do away with dissenters, and I look less favorably upon them as members.
But in the end, this site is about information and interaction. If I were to get caught up in the politics and grudges, I might miss something important.
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CherryBom said: I'm still not too sure what the next step is helping the Pub grow and still making it a welcome, friendly enviroment for as many different people as possible. Maybe there isn't anything at all that can be done? I don't think that is the case, however.
Have a poll, whoever gets 10 votes against them gets demodded.
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I have a certain bias against authoritarian moderators who would like to see people they don't liked forced from the community. That's a shitty deal, there.
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I think the first step in refacing The Pub for the better is most certainly an in-house cleaning. A shakeup if you will. Be it by vote, or whatever, some mods have to go before things will improve.
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Re: The Pub [Re: blink]
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blinkidiot said: Do you have a bias against mods?
I definitely see this with some people, certain members seem to hold grudges against certain mods and no matter what they do, these certain members will always be bashing these certain mod(s), no matter what. The sad part is, these mods really didn't do anything wrong in the first place, and they probably are quick to react sometimes because they feel bullied and back into a corner, all for no real reason at all. This makes things worse cause now you have mods on edge and reacting to quickly because they are getting bullied by certain members.
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Re: The Pub [Re: blink]
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Yes, that is a good start. Quite admirable of you. I hope other moderators follow in your path to decency.
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Re: The Pub [Re: gdman]
#5404174 - 03/15/06 03:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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gdman said: This makes things worse cause now you have mods on edge and reacting to quickly because they are getting bullied by certain members.
Why not just remove them from modship? People wouldn't be pissed if the mod didn't suck.
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I think mods get removed so rarely because it implies that the administration made a mistake, something they don't like to admit to.
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I agree. If an employee is on edge and cannot make proper judgment calls, they are unfit to serve. A suspension(call it a cooling down period if you like) might work.
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In these cases, it's not the mods that suck... they're good mods, but they are apparently targets for internet bullies.
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Re: The Pub [Re: gdman]
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Again, if the mods are not mature enough to brush off the "attacks" from "internet bullies", they are unfit to serve.
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Re: The Pub [Re: daimyo]
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No one deserves to be bullied, easier and better to remove the bullies.
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gdman, would you be willing to confront some of these members via pm and try and work out some kind of 'compromise of authority'?? I'm not suggesting that you have to make buddies with everyone, that's just completely unrealistic...but just to smooth over some genuine feelings of invalidation?
What I'm hearing from your post is that you feel bullied sometimes, you feel backed into a corner and that puts you on edge. I don't blame you one bit. If the bandwagon jumped on me and tried to push me into a corner like that I'm sure I would re-act in a similar fashion.
I'm not sure what a compromise of authority actually is, but that sounds like something that could defintely be in order. Interpret that statement to suit yourself.
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Re: The Pub [Re: gdman]
#5404206 - 03/15/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Do you think certain moderators don't bully members? It can go both ways.
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Re: The Pub [Re: gdman]
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gdman said: In these cases, it's not the mods that suck... they're good mods, but they are apparently targets for internet bullies.
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Oh no no no no, not me, I'm talking about other mods...
not naming names, just going on what I observe in the community at large.
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Personally, I don't really give a damn if people talk about me, especilly over the net. Though I know people who do care about stuff like that, no names being named .
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Re: The Pub [Re: gdman]
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And I notice the mods I speak of aren't posting here... probably because they're afraid they're gonna get flamed by the bandwagon, which would be a pretty safe bet because, like I said, it always happens.
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Re: The Pub [Re: gdman]
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So ban 10 members to keep 1 mod?
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Re: The Pub [Re: gdman]
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If you're talking about L_F he should know I'm just fucking around.
Just because I don't put a " " or whatever at the end of my posts people think I'm just trying to be a dick.
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Re: The Pub [Re: gdman]
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gdman said:
probably because they're afraid they're gonna get flamed by the bandwagon, which would be a pretty safe bet because, like I said, it always happens.
You know that there is no flaming allowed in the pub. I think this has been a very respectful discussion so far. These parties you speak of are avoiding this thread simply because they do not wish to get involved, for whatever reason. I don't think it's out of fear of being flamed, though.
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HellaMeister said: Just because I don't put a " " or whatever at the end of my posts people think I'm just trying to be a dick.
I always take the smirk smiley as a sign of disrespect. Like saying "yea right you fucking inbreed".
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Re: The Pub [Re: daimyo]
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You're right, I think it's kind of silly to take things personally on the net, but some people do and I hate to see people get hurt, I don't really know where I'm going with this, but you get the picture I hope. I just want to reiterate, you know, I'm a nice guy, and I don't have any kind of grudges against you guys, I really hope you don't think that, I'd like to think I'm easy going and it really does take a whole lot to make me angry, a whole lot. I can't really remember a time I've been actually mad at someone on the shroomery for something that has happened solely on the net. I think you and I would get along pretty well IRL.
The worst part about being a mod is having to "discipline" people and using the ban stick, makes me feel like a cop or something *shudder *. I really haven't done that in a while, unless they really, REALLY deserved it. I like talking to people first and issues usually get resolved before it comes to that. I think I've chilled way the fuck out as time has gone by, I admit things got a little heated not long ago, and I admit things might have edged on getting a little personal, as people were digging on real life friends of mine. That was the closest I've ever come to making things personal here and I can assure everyone that it will never happen again, I know when I'm wrong.
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Re: The Pub [Re: blink]
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blinkidiot said: I'm in a unique position because I began moderating as the banomatic was introduced and haven't known of moderating without it.
I will look through all of my previous warnings, and where it's the first and only offence, and where I think a PM would have been better served, I will recind the warning.
I've handed out 3 times the points bom has already, (albeit in 3 forums) so I'll aim to take the banomatic out of the equation unless I feel it to be more than nessesary.
First of all I'd like to say I think you do an awesome job, as well as OMR, Ripple, Bom, Shroomism, CC, gdman, and Trendal. Some of the other mods are not even around here much, do not interact with the community at all, and some in one way or another are intertwined into most of the drama that goes down here. 
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Open Question: Is that a good start? anything else you'd like to see? I'm trying to get a feel of what the users want vs. how I am expect to conduct myself in this position. I'm not out to be everbodies friend, but I'm also not out to make enemies.
I think it's an awesome idea. Good communication could take care of a lot of problems regarding the mod vs. user mentality.
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Bom, I just have to say I always thought you were a great Pub mod, but your words and conduct in this thread has raised my respect for you much, much higher. You are doing a damn good job seeing both sides of the tracks, and I really appreciate that. Thank you very much!
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Re: The Pub [Re: Redstorm]
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I will always love the idea and ideal of the pub, but MY pub is in the past for the most part. But life is all about change is it not?
I don't post here much anymore I just respond to moderator notifications and scan for rule infractions in a vain attempt to keep things the way they used to be.
When this forum was started BoO and I were the only moderators here, and that was more than was needed. There was nothing but respect and love as it should be, as it was meant to be when Thor started the forum!
Things have changed !
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Re: The Pub [Re: Ripple]
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Things have changed. This forum has become "OTD lite" and it's partly my fault I think.
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its ok randal, we still love you, even if you have made a mess of the pub
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Re: The Pub [Re: Ripple]
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Ripple said: When this forum was started BoO and I were the only moderators here, and that was more than was needed. There was nothing but respect and love as it should be, as it was meant to be when Thor started the forum!
yep. the pub used to be properly used and run, but that changed somewhere along the trip.
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Re: The Pub [Re: daimyo]
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daimyo said: Again, if the mods are not mature enough to brush off the "attacks" from "internet bullies", they are unfit to serve.
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eric_the_red


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Re: The Pub [Re: blink]
#5407443 - 03/16/06 08:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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if users are bullying, then they are in need of moderation. what would be the point of having mods if everybody here behaved an never screwed up anything?
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the pub rules
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