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Tryptamines interacting with prescription stimulants and mood stabilizers?
    #5395687 - 03/13/06 03:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I have some questions that I thought someone here might be able to answer.

For a long time, I've avoided psychedelic drugs because I fear that my prescription medication will make for a bad trip. Recently, I've been playing around with the idea of eating some mushrooms.

I take Concerta and Lamictal, which is a mood stabilizer. I'm not positive as to how those might affect my trip.

What makes me hesitate to take mushrooms, is the intense high that I sometimes get when I smoke marijuana. If I smoke the right amount, the high is fun. I'll feel really happy and the world makes perfect sense.

There have been a few times that I've just smoked too much and gotten way too fucked up. When this happens, its almost psychedelic. I hear and see things a little differently than I would when I'm sober, everything moves in frames, and I can't think normally because I'll get distracted by something. I tend to get shaky, dizzy, and nervous.

I'm fairly sure that this has something to do with the medicine that I take.

I just want to know if it's a horrible idea to mix shrooms with my medicine and if I'm especially vulnerable to having a bad trip before I start looking to buy anything.

And, if I didn't take my medicine for a couple days before I eat shrooms, if that might prevent a bad interaction?


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Re: Tryptamines interacting with prescription stimulants and mood stabilizers? [Re: meghannn]
    #5395699 - 03/13/06 03:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Don't stop taking your pills just to trip, this can be bad.
What are you being treated for?


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Re: Tryptamines interacting with prescription stimulants and mood stabilizers? [Re: abrad84]
    #5397040 - 03/13/06 10:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I've been on medicine for over 5 years. The diagnosis is bipolar disorder, though I'm not sure whether thats accurate or not. I'm very stable and have been for over a year now. The concerta is to help me stay awake and focused because I don't sleep more than 6 hours a night and I'd be pretty worthless at school if I didn't take it.

I'm probably stable enough to get off the medication, but I'm going to wait a while after I graduate in May just to be completely safe. That, and I'd go through a bunch of withdrawal and shit that I don't want to deal with right now.

A year and a half ago, tripping at all would have been a horrible idea. I'm sure that I'm comfortable enough in my own head to trip, I'm just not sure if the combination of my medication and shrooms would make the trip bad.


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Re: Tryptamines interacting with prescription stimulants and mood stabilizers? [Re: meghannn]
    #5397798 - 03/14/06 04:27 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I recommend you speak to your doctor and tell him/her you would like to come off your meds soon, they will probably recommend som kind of tapering regime. When you are off them wait a while and see how you feel before you decide to trip.


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Re: Tryptamines interacting with prescription stimulants and mood stabilizers? [Re: abrad84]
    #5398123 - 03/14/06 08:12 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'd definately hold out. Mushrooms could either be a good time, or put you in a seriously bad state of mind, even on a good day. Combined with what you have been going through for the last five years, I wouldn't risk it until you are sure you are OK without meds, and that your psych is at a definative "baseline" that you know and are familiar with. From what I understand, bipolar isn't necessarily a short term mood disorder, it can be a longterm disorder with longterm ups and downs. I stopped doing anything for the last four years because I knew it just wasn't the right time for me mentally, but I am finally becoming comfortable enough with myself to start planning another trip, and I have no disorders (at least not that I am aware of).

Seriously, you are fucking with things that even the most intelligent doc's and psych's know hardly anything about, it's not to be taken lightly.


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Re: Tryptamines interacting with prescription stimulants and mood stabilizers? [Re: kalvinlk]
    #5399686 - 03/14/06 03:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I know that bipolar disorder isn't short term. I just think it's overdiagnosed. I think most people go through mood swings that just happen to be more severe when they're going through a rough time. I think that may have been the case with me. It's really easy for a doctor to diagnose someone with a disorder like bipolar without knowing the whole story, especially if they've never seen the patient before the problems landed them in their office in the first place arose. It's just hard for me to feel like it's a relevant diagnosis when I'm living so normally.

I abstained from weed/alcohol/other drugs for over a year after shit happened before I felt I was ready to use them safely. I know that psychedelics are a whole different story from pot. If I wasn't on medication, I'd be a lot safer.

I guess I should hold off on the shrooms for a while. It's kind of disappointing, but I suppose it beats a bad experience.


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Re: Tryptamines interacting with prescription stimulants and mood stabilizers? [Re: abrad84]
    #5399701 - 03/14/06 03:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'm thinking that's probably the best idea.
I'm on fairly low dosages of both medications.
I suspect that I'll be off of them within the next year.


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Re: Tryptamines interacting with prescription stimulants and mood stabilizers? [Re: meghannn]
    #5399756 - 03/14/06 04:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i've been on remeron for 4 years, and depakote for almost a year. i'm just getting off them now, thankfully, but i've dosed with mushrooms while on these drugs. it isn't going to interact badly with what you're on, what it will do is diminish the effects of the mushrooms.

i'm not exactly sure what moodstabilizers play around with, i believe gaba, i'm no expert in neurology, i just know a few basics. i guess you should if you're on the drugs. but as far as antidepressants go, mushrooms or any psychadelic will be almost completely diminished because psychadelics bind to the 5-htp2 receptor, and so do most antidepressants, i know for one - remeron. from personal experience though, i've tripped while on both these medications, and the depakote is for bi-polar - the effects were just diminished. being on the drugs won't give you a bad trip


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Re: Tryptamines interacting with prescription stimulants and mood stabilizers? [Re: badlydrawnboy]
    #5399807 - 03/14/06 04:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

since i'm not a neurologist, I can only help so much. first find out if psilocybin/psilocin will physically interact with your meds.

then, if they dont, you can start to think about whether you should trip or not. you know yourself best, so try to challenge what your psychiatrist tells you about yourself and figure it out alone.

could you handle something that might take you out of your body and send you anywhere in the universe? or thinking that you died because you lost your ego? tripping may seem like fun and games but if you need meds to correct mood imbalances you might not be able to handle the experience.

have you tried meditation? or simply relaxing very deeply?

your mind has the power to do great things. it can certainly release the right chemicals to correct your imbalance if you give it a chance.

let us know what you decide and how things go.

best of luck!


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