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Offlinedaimyo
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Gun Laws
    #5395046 - 03/13/06 12:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.




What are your views on gun laws? What should be allowed? What restrictions should be in place?

For me it is simple. Legal citizens(with no felony charges, and no violent charges misdemeanor or felony) of the United States of America should be allowed to own any arms they wish. They should also be allowed to carry open or concealed without a permit.

"Arms" do not include ordnance in my view.


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Re: Gun Laws [Re: daimyo]
    #5395054 - 03/13/06 12:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I think they should be able to own any handguns, rifles, shotguns, etc. without registration unless they have been convicted of a violent crime. Then they should still be able to own, but they must register. Also, law-abiding citizens should be able to c&c without a permit.

A real militia is one that should be able to contest the army in case the government becoming a tyranny. They should have most of the same weapons available to their disposal.


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Re: Gun Laws [Re: Redstorm]
    #5395067 - 03/13/06 12:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Redstorm said:
I think they should be able to own any handguns, rifles, shotguns, etc. without registration unless they have been convicted of a violent crime. Then they should still be able to own, but they must register. Also, law-abiding citizens should be able to c&c without a permit.

A real militia is one that should be able to contest the army in case the government becoming a tyranny. They should have most of the same weapons available to their disposal.




I agree almost entirely.

NJB speaks.


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Re: Gun Laws [Re: daimyo]
    #5395068 - 03/13/06 12:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I think guns should be mostly unregulated up to a point. I think when you get into automatic weapons and such, it's too much power to justify having just for self-defense. At that point, I think it would be reasonable to require a special permit. I also agree with having concealed-carry permits.


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Re: Gun Laws [Re: Silversoul]
    #5395101 - 03/13/06 12:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Paradigm said:
I think when you get into automatic weapons and such, it's too much power to justify having just for self-defense.



It would be nice to have a chance...


Quote:

Paradigm said:
At that point, I think it would be reasonable to require a special permit. I also agree with having concealed-carry permits.



Both in place now, and while a step in the right direction, not adequate enough in my opinion. Too easy to round everyone/everything up that is a threat before enslavement.


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Re: Gun Laws [Re: daimyo]
    #5395109 - 03/13/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Plus it makes it easier for them to say "We're no longer issuing licenses for automatic weapons".


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Re: Gun Laws [Re: daimyo]
    #5395110 - 03/13/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

its realy a simple affair, turning semi auto rifles into fully. It takes a cuolpe of peices, all rpetty easily attainable and some working knowledge of guns. Then you have weapons to fight with. The only people who will get rouned up are the ones who go willingly. For me and mine, I will fight and find, away to sway the day to victory,

Knocking marines and cops out is what I do for fun!

seriously.


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Re: Gun Laws [Re: mack_tasticlies]
    #5395283 - 03/13/06 01:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I am a former Marine and do not get "knocked out" that easily....

but back to the main point of the post.

The regulation of the guns in America is bullshit. It is a proven fact that the more guns that are in law abiding citizens hands, the lower the crime rate within that community. I recommend the below book on the subject matter:

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/493636.html

Only if one has been convicted in a court of law, should they be banned from owning a gun.


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Re: Gun Laws [Re: daimyo]
    #5395698 - 03/13/06 03:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

- adults with no violent felony convictions should be permitted to own rifles, shotguns, and handguns without any permit or license.

- there should be no regulations with regard to size or magazine capacity.

-permits for concealed carry or selective fire should be on a "shall issue" basis.

- it should be legal for any adult who is not legally prohibited from owning a firearm to sell a firearm to any other adult who is not legally prohibited from owning a firearm, without a permit or license.

- firearm manufacturers should not be held liable for misuse of firearms.

- any ammunition which is not explosive or incendiary should be permitted.


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Re: Gun Laws [Re: wilshire]
    #5395708 - 03/13/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

wilshire said:
- adults with no violent felony convictions should be permitted to own rifles, shotguns, and handguns without any permit or license.

- there should be no regulations with regard to size or magazine capacity. permits for concealed carry or selective fire should be on a "shall issue" basis.

- it should be legal for any adult who is not legally prohibited from owning a firearm to sell a firearm to any other adult who is not legally prohibited from owning a firearm, without a permit or license.

- firearm manufacturers should not be held liable for misuse of firearms.

- any ammunition which is not explosive or incendiary should be permitted.



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Re: Gun Laws [Re: wilshire]
    #5395715 - 03/13/06 04:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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wilshire said:
- firearm manufacturers should not be held liable for misuse of firearms.



:yesnod:


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Re: Gun Laws [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5395975 - 03/13/06 05:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I knocked out one of your brothers at bar the other nite. He was arude talking and thought he was bad, then the fuck head punched me in the eye. I hit his faggot ass one time, he stood straight up, fell straight over backwards and started seizing up. I ran like hell. He is ok though, he saw me a couple days later and apologized for being an asshole.

I do however agree with your post though.


Edited by mack_tasticlies (03/13/06 05:29 PM)


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Re: Gun Laws [Re: mack_tasticlies]
    #5396261 - 03/13/06 07:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Its so funny to see people talk shit on the PAL forum....this guy, mack_tasticles sent me a PM saying : (paraphrased)

Oh yeah, I did knock his faggot ass out.


Fucking Leatherneck.

Know why Marines are the ones who leave for the feild and kill and take all of the shit, casue you are so fucking iggnorant. The US congress doesn't care if you die. That is why they protect the United States Army with bases and fortifcations and shit while you are in the field and stop bullets with your jarheads


Keep in mind I rated him to get his attention (I was going to change his one shroom rating), about the "knocking out Marines " comment. This is how he responded. From his post I take it he is in the Army. I trained with the Rangers, lots of good guys in that outfit. I never talk shit about ANY branch of the service, they all have their particular function, all place their life in harms way. Just wanted to let the rest of the forum see what type of caliber person you are dealing with here. I never thought I would see the day that someone from within the Army talk like this to a fellow veteran. :puke:


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Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: Gun Laws [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5396290 - 03/13/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Gun Laws [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5396365 - 03/13/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Gun Laws [Re: daimyo]
    #5397553 - 03/14/06 01:24 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

For me it is simple. Legal citizens(with no felony charges, and no violent charges misdemeanor or felony) of the United States of America should be allowed to own any arms they wish. They should also be allowed to carry open or concealed without a permit.


There used to be more relaxed gun laws in the UK till a guy walked into a school with a handgun in 1996 and shot 17 kids. Since those laws were tightened there hasn't been a single gun massacre in the UK.


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Re: Gun Laws [Re: daimyo]
    #5397620 - 03/14/06 02:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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daimyo said:
Quote:

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.




What are your views on gun laws?  What should be allowed?  What restrictions should be in place?

For me it is simple.  Legal citizens(with no felony charges, and no violent charges misdemeanor or felony) of the United States of America should be allowed to own any arms they wish.  They should also be allowed to carry open or concealed without a permit.

"Arms" do not include ordnance in my view.




Imagine the most anti-gun-control state in the US. Whatever their stance is, it's probably about what I believe.

I desire to own guns, and nobody is going to stop me.

hell, since you mentioned ordinance.... while I don't mind it being illegal to carry ordinance, that will never stop me from carrying ordinance.

Of all the onomatopoeia's in the world, KABOOM is my favorite :bomb: :fireworship:


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Re: Gun Laws [Re: Konnrade]
    #5397799 - 03/14/06 04:28 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I am in error.

I have paraphrased his PM.


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I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: Gun Laws [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5398322 - 03/14/06 09:40 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

That was simply uncalled for, I merely sent you that pm to establish the fact that you behaved like a petulant little child when you reacted the way you did to my comment, like t was a direct attack on you. You had no business posting my pm to you in the public eye.

Again another childish act. You should be ashamed of yourself.

You also manipulated the pm to suit your needs, here I will post it all since you changed it, seems I can't.

What caliber of person are you, he who takes peoples words and changes them seeking saupport from the general public? Rather immature don't you think.

I sent that message via pm to spare both of us embarrassment, and the board our petty little dispute.

This issue is dead.


Edited by mack_tasticlies (03/14/06 09:42 AM)


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Re: Gun Laws [Re: daimyo]
    #5398452 - 03/14/06 10:09 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

the second amendment was written in the time before mechanized warfare, when an army was made up of trained men fighting with the same weapons and transportation they used in peacetime. an exception was cannon, but the word 'arms' as was used did not include artillery or grenades.

the word 'arms', in the context of the militia, refers to the standard infantry weapon. though it has evolved quite a bit from the muzzle-loading musket or rifle of the 18th century, i believe that the modern standard infantry weapon (a battle rifle, examples being anything in the M-16 or kalashnikov families, FN-FAL, M-1A, etc.) falls into the same understanding of 'arms'.

it should also be remembered that the militia clause of the second amendment lists one reason, not the reason, for guaranteeing the right to keep and bear arms. it has never meant to protect only persons capable of serving in the militia and only weapons with military usefulness (though the courts have in some cases opted to rule otherwise).

when the second amendment comes up, there is always someone pointing out that a force of citizen infantry would stand little chance against a modern, mechanized, military machine. while i wouldn't go so far as to agree with that, i do concede that the disparity between a force of citizen-soldiers and a professional army equipped with heavy military hardware is far greater than the mostly infantry-on-infantry fighting of the time period when the constitution was written.

it's really a non-issue though. i encourage all of you who are legally permitted to buy at least one firearm and become proficient with it.

when i am able, i will be getting one of these:


springfield armory M1-A (gratuitous gun pic)


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Re: Gun Laws [Re: wilshire]
    #5398933 - 03/14/06 12:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You are as humorous as the fake solider you claim to be.
The PM was modified due to the regulations of this site. Calling me faggot, and saying disparaging remarks about a highly respected institution, is the definition of childish.

As a former SGT of a recon unit, I would make sure some half ass PFC would thrash you till your elbows popped out! You and I both know the comments you made were unwarranted and shameful for someone who claims to be a solider!!!


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: Gun Laws [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5398963 - 03/14/06 12:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

this is worse than flaming. it's the reason we have no-flaming rules... it has no place in this forum.

where is phred?


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Re: Gun Laws [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5399007 - 03/14/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

This is ridiculous. Testicle boy has received a ban, SirTrip I am giving you a warning to calm down and ignore provocations of the type mack was dangling, and don't ever even THINK of posting a pm again, and this thread is locked for a cooldown period.




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Re: Gun Laws [Re: daimyo]
    #5399010 - 03/14/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

Reason:
To avoid flamefest.


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