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InvisibleJonnyOnTheSpot
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risk factor...
    #539399 - 02/03/02 05:33 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i was wondering, since i'm new to this board, if anyone has ever been arrested as a result of saying on here that they grew shrooms? does anyone know if it matters at all what you say on here? this site probably could be monitored, but would they care about a few hippies growing shrooms so they could trip? i was also wondering if anyone knew someone that was targeted or incarcirated because of ordering spores via internet with a credit card? are these reasonable assumptions, or are we all being a little to paronoid here? On the other hand "better safe than sorry" is probably the best attitude to have. i just wanna know if anyone here knows someone that use to run their mouth on here, and then suddenly disapeared or came back saying they got busted.


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Re: risk factor... [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #539429 - 02/03/02 06:05 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Well, thats a good question. In my opinion, anyone can look at this message board. And I am sure that if the FBI or DEA wanted you, they would get you. With that in mind, if you are worried about geting busted, then dont do anything illegal. As for spores in syringes... I think there is only 2 states that made this illegal. But as the law stands... its only illegal to posses the "pychoactive" chemicals psilocyn and psilocybin. The mushroom is only the transporter. Spores do not have these chemicals in them... in other words... you can buy and sell spores freely.
http://www.alchemind.org/ - this site is for you.
http://www.jug-or-not.com/shroom/statelaw.html - this is a good site that lists the laws by state.
(Sorry, not trying to give some other sites a plug, but its knowledge and information.) Those sites should answer most of your questions, but I say you should go to your local library, find the reference desk, and ask for the Criminal Code book section, look up what you are worried about. Thats the only sure way of knowing what kind of fire you are playing with. Just remember, this is a PUBLIC site.


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Re: risk factor... [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #540047 - 02/04/02 09:20 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Well, maybe not use your credit card.  Why not purchase a money order with cash, and use that.  A money order is just like cash, except only the person to whome it is made out to can cash it, plus they are tracable, so you are less likely to get ripped off :smile:


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Re: risk factor... [Re: cookiewhore]
    #540072 - 02/04/02 10:36 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Well, maybe the smartest people are the ones that learn without posting. However, I know many people who repeadtly post pictures and talk about their experiences. I'm pretty sure our actions are backed by the freedom of speech laws and any pictures posted would have to be identified to a. be ours and b. be taken in a state where the mushrooms are a schedule 1 substrance (illegal) and c. are defently psiolcybe cubensis (or psilocybin contaning).

I really doubt we are at any harm here. The DEA should be more worried about the stupid fuckers who have 300 quart jars going at a time than the people who do 12 PF cakes for personal and one to three friends personal use.

Lots of people like to say things like "A FOAF (friend of a friend) did this..." before they post pictures / ask questions. I really doubt it matters. Anyways, its up to you. If you want security start browing in the security forum and come here via. a proxy. The shroomery does not log IPs, however, if there ever came a time where the law enforcment had legal troubles with somebody/here they could make them log IPs but they wouldn't need to tell us. Kind of scary. Again, I doubt were in any trouble here.


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Re: risk factor... [Re: phrozendata]
    #540092 - 02/04/02 11:14 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Do law enforcement agencies even care that much about mushrooms? Of course if they find you with them, but do they actively investigate people who grow mushrooms? From the candid attitude of this site, I have to assume they dont...


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Re: risk factor... [Re: Pogo]
    #540137 - 02/04/02 12:10 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

It seems that LEAs tend to focus on the "new problem drugs" the most. In the past these have been cocaine in the 80's, methamphetamine in the 90's and the latest is MDMA. For the last few years mushrooms have started to become more and more popular. Once mushrooms get popular enough to grab the attention of the police it will become more risky to grow them. There was an article in the Journal of Forensic Sciences (Volume 45, Number 3 [May 2000]) dedicated to mushrooms. This just shows that they are starting to take an interest.

The problem LEAs have right now is lack of training. They know how to identify powders and plants by sight, but a fungus... thats a bit harder. Is that a jar of pudding that went bad or... Even the identification of a mature fruitbody takes an experienced mycologist. Once they get test kits, which will come when there is a market for them, identification will become easier for them.

It is also hard to track mushroom growers by power consuption or purchases... everything used is very common. You don't need special nutrients, or special lights... you don't have to worry about the smell, or vent heat. Mushrooms are small and most of the plant is underground... nothing for the helecopters to spot if you have an outdoors patch...

My guess is that if you are growing mushrooms for your own personal consumption, in your own private home, then there is very little risk of detection. If you start to tell others, or give them away, or sell them, then it is only a matter of time before you get caught.

Regarding posts. Never claim credit for anything. I have never grown mushrooms, but I had a friend that knew a guy that had a cousin that lived in Amsterdam that used to. I never take illegal drugs, but there was this guy once at band camp that...

LEAs can investigate all they want, but they have to have probable cause to get a search warrent (at least in the US). If you were growing Cannabis, they would maybe use your power bill, the empty bag of soil from you trash, the extra heat being vented from just one room in your house, and the posts you made to some newsgroup to show probable cause to a Judge. If they have just one or two (minor) things it is a lot harder to get a warrent. What you post can help them, but probably isn't enough by itself to get you into trouble. (Notice I used the word _probably_ in that last statement.)

Post smart. Stay as anonymous as you can. Never admit to anything, in person or writing. The cops have only one goal in life, and that is to toss your sorry ass in jail. They will lie, cheat, and sell their Grandmother's soul if it gets you locked up. The only protection you have it to keep your mouth shut! In the US you are required to identify yourself, but beyond that say NOTHING. Know your rights! Visit norml.org and the aclu.org sites for a lot of information on what and what not to do in case you do get caught.



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