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Corporal Kielbasa

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Re: Friends got a problem with drinking and driving [Re: leery11]
#5392742 - 03/12/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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So are there any doctor in the US providing such theropy? Or are you refering to the trials they preformed 50 years ago suggesting that psychedelic psychotherapy is a viable option?
Would you also send a women to a backroom abortion clinic?
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leery11
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Re: Friends got a problem with drinking and driving [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
#5392754 - 03/12/06 05:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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There are possibly some operating underground.
I don't know how this can be discussed further without being an argument though.
The core principal of what I am saying is that psychedelics are exceptionally useful in changing and transforming ones personality. Research does not deny this. With a right environment they can be used in this way. There are also ibogaine clinics outside the US that do these sorts of things to treat drug addicts.
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Corporal Kielbasa

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Re: Friends got a problem with drinking and driving [Re: leery11]
#5392766 - 03/12/06 05:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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arguments are good for arguments sake.......
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leery11
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Re: Friends got a problem with drinking and driving [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
#5392795 - 03/12/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah but only if we're actually discussing something.
Do you disagree that psychedelics can be very helpful for self destructive alcoholics?
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Corporal Kielbasa

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Re: Friends got a problem with drinking and driving [Re: leery11]
#5392849 - 03/12/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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The only thing helpfully to alcoholics is a group of friends that don't drink. How ever this person comes to this realization is open. Not saying tripping cant help. But to trip and have your mind in such a head space as a person has when in addiction mostly will lead to much apathy much more guilt much more introverted behaviors.
If this person was to be able to use a trip as a therapy they would need someone so in-tune to how they are thinking, so in-tune with how an addict thinks. Its just more then i would be able to do for a person. Dedicating 10 hours to this person with undivided attention, while being come and clearheaded.
We arnt shamans we don't know how to act upon people in these states of minds. We will most likely open doors into this persons conscious that should never have been opened without being able to know how to close them.
Like mechanics. You got good ones and you got bad ones. You got ones that feel out everything, then you got mechanics that break bolts and fuck up your car.
I wouldn't look towards my friends to help me. I would look to a professional. Someone that has dedicated their life to healing, weather its a Shaman or therapist.
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Re: Friends got a problem with drinking and driving [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
#5395177 - 03/13/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Last time he shroomed, i gave him 2 grams, and he still needed to break out the lines no matter what I said. He underestimated the combination.
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Corporal Kielbasa

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Re: Friends got a problem with drinking and driving [Re: Jon]
#5395280 - 03/13/06 01:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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They always do......
My buddy did 7 grams of coke ate 4 rolls then at ten the next morning droped 2 hits of pixelated flies.
Lets just say he had a real hard time dealing with life for a couple years after that.
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#5395304 - 03/13/06 01:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Friends got a problem with drinking and driving [Re: Ferris]
#5395673 - 03/13/06 03:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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When he eventually smashes his car into a mother and her two young children, crippling some unlucky passenger in the process (probably you), will you be able to face looking at your mutilated self in the mirror every day for the rest of your life knowing that you could have stopped him, if only you hadn't been so worried about damaging his selfish ego?
If that seems a bit harsh, i'm not sorry.
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Re: Friends got a problem with drinking and driving [Re: Dfekt]
#5395799 - 03/13/06 04:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Let me start off by saying that I am a great drunk driver.
but there are limitations.
I may be legally drunk after 3 or 4 beers, but I can still drive after 3 or 4 beers, hell I probably drive safer. Once I hit the 7 or 8 beers I usually need to chill for atleast an hour before I drive. Maybe eat somthing, then Im good. after 9 or 10 beers Im calling someone reguardless.
and dont spill your beer on those sharp turns.
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Re: Friends got a problem with drinking and driving [Re: Jon]
#5395815 - 03/13/06 04:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mitchnast said: report his ass. people who knowingly keep such retards as friends are without dignity. And those who enable such people without decisive action are guilty of the crime.
the day he over-corrects into a mother walking her infant is two days too late. and on your head being privy to, and in full recognition of the problem.
AND it is a problem. its not becoming one, It's WAY past that.
who are you if not your brothers keeper? and who, if not you, is?
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Mitchnast said: i would say killing others is not only possible but probable. the road is full of travelers, surprises, pedestrians, etc.
and in the middle of it, lacking concern for himself, and the safety of others, and lacking sense of speed, is a drunk driver.
not just a little drunk, but numb from constant alcohol use. Irrationally reactive to constructive criticism. How would he react to children running into the street? A 4-way stop? people opening doors after parking?
he is driving on alcohol-powered tunnel-vision. ignoring himself and his emotions. buried in a wavy cool stupor. Invincible.. and if not, who cares?
there's no coming back from where he is. he craves oblivion and is getting ever closer to understanding that. so he is drinking it away.
I'm reasonably convinced of this. I do not expect you to want to accept such a darkness in one upon whom you wish only light.
thats why i say consider a way to have him caught. No accident, no injury and death, just get his ass caught.
With that level of self destructiveness, the LAST thing he needs is the ability to drive a deadly weapon around the pathways made by and for living people.
He has crossed the line from self-destructive to openly and flagrantly reckless.
all you need to ask yourself is "Am I going to let him?"
would you allow ANYBODY?
CALL YOUR LOCAL DETECTIVE BUREAU AND GIVE THEM ALL HIS INFO. GET THIS GUY CAUGHT IN THE ACT BEFORE HE ENDS SOMEONE'S LIFE.
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Re: Friends got a problem with drinking and driving [Re: TM]
#5396009 - 03/13/06 05:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Talk to him calmly. If you get a bad reaction, try one more time. Tell him you're talking to him because you are worried about him and you love him. Write down what you plan on saying before you say it. Don't demand that he change his ways, suggest it.
If he still is an asshole about it, be more firm. Really tell him what an ignorant dick he's becoming. Still no reaction after that?
Turn his ass in. See to it that he gets some sort of rehab. I'd rather not share the road with him, and you could very definitely be saving someone else's life.
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