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Grasshopper Registered: 03/17/05 Posts: 823 Loc: Amersfoort, Neth Last seen: 8 months, 10 days |
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Introduction
Hey everyone. I recently became interested in the idea of trying Salvia Divinorum and decided to order some Salvia 15x extract with the intention of trying it when the opportunity presented itself; that is, when I could be with someone I trust who could sit for me during the experience. As it turned out, two of my friends, D and V, were interested in trying it, so I arranged for them to visit my house on Friday night, where we would take turns in trying the Salvia whilst the sober two would act as 'sitters', making sure that the one trying it would not come to any harm. Some Relevent Background Information About Us I have been in search of new and interesting ways of exploration of conciousness for just over a year. I have had 11 mushroom trips since January 2005 and began smoking marijuana about once every two weeks on average since March 2005. I have practiced lucid dreaming since June 2005 and found that I have a natural talent for this. I also occasionally practice hypnosis. I consider myself to be a responsible person when it comes to trying new experiences and always like to be prepared as best I can. I had read a lot about Salvia Divinorum, including many user guides, FAQ's, trip reports and watched a documentary on it. This would be my first time acting as a 'sitter'. D and I have been friends since high-school. He has much more experience with drugs than I, having used Marijuana since the age of 13, MDMA, Speed, Mushrooms, LSD, Ketamine, butane, amongst others. D had not heard of Salvia before, but was interested in trying it after I mentioned it and then had read some of the web pages that I gave him about it. D's previous drug experience were mostly in 'uncontrolled' or 'unprepared' settings, having started using these drugs at a younger age with people who probably should not have been using drugs. Despite his experience with various substances, this was actually the first time he would be acting as a 'sitter' for others. V and I have been friends for about two years now in university. V is a very smart guy, but has practically no experience with any drugs at all (weed once a long time ago, and even alcohol is rare), but was interested in trying 'safe psychedelecs' that might induce increased creativity or dream-like experiences that he could utilise for ideas and recreation. As such, it was also the first time that V would be acting as a 'sitter'. He was also the least informed about Salvia, having not read the links that I had given him. We went over the important points of Salvia immediately prior to the experience. Contrary to his smartness, I felt that V was the least serious with regards to the experience. Note that V and D had only met a few hours prior to the experience, but were getting along just fine. Setting We were in my room, which is fairly small. The bed was used for lying on during the experience and two chairs were for the sitters. It was Friday night, about 21:30, after returning from the Japanese anime night at the university, which we'd all been to. A digital camera was set-up to record a video of the experience for those who wanted it, although it turned out that the room was too dark to see anything on the video. Like-wise, a portable audio player was also set-up to record audio during the experiences. The First Experience I volunteered to go first, being the most informed regarding Salvia, but decided to approach cautiously and was a little apprehensive. I had a playlist of music arranged for the experience, about 30 minutes in length and some low-level lighting in the room. I used only half a bowl of the 15x extract, which was gone fairly quickly. I lay down in anticipation of the experience. Not much seemed to happen, but something immediately and definitely felt different, and I wasn't able to quite put my finger on what it was. The gentle, warm and slow music felt very strong and comforting and my body felt light. There was a sense of movement as I lay still on the bed, as though I was being gently pulled upwards and to the left, through the wall and out of my body. It was a comfortable sensation and I remarked to my friends that "I think I might just float away for a second". It took a little while before the absurdity of my comment registered with me, but I didn't care because I was feeling so relaxed. To me it seemed like an entirely normal thing to say. The visuals were extremely faint and fleeting at best with eyes closed during the experience. This, and the sense of gentle pulling faded fairly quickly and I sat up, feeling fairly normal after only 5 minutes. We concluded that I probably had not taken enough to get a substancial effect and decided to move on, waiting a few minutes to ensure that I was back to normal before D would take his first Salvia trip. After a short break, D was ready. He decided that he wanted to listen to the Unreal soundtrack during his experience. He used a full bowl, probably twice a much as I did and smoked it in a single hit before laying down on the bed. The first signs that something were happening came in less than a minute with his words; "Who the fuck said that?". D seemed to be irritated, confused and in fear. "Ughh"... "What the fuck?". I tried to reassure him to let go and told him not to worry, calling him by name. D lay in silence for a minute, then sat up, asking "Where the fuck are they?". The music was a little tense and me and V decided that it might be a good idea to stop it, as it could be putting D into a bad state. About 30 seconds after stopping the music, D 'woke up' in a confused state, asking "Uhhh... How long have I been aslee-like that what?", and then he seemed to be very confused, just saying "What the fuck?". I tried to reassure him that he was okay and that the effect would wear off in a few minutes, but he still seemed confused. He got up and walked over to the window saying that he was too hot and I asked him if he was okay. He seemed to have come around now and conversation followed: Me: "Are you okay?" D: "Yeh, I want to know what-the-fuck? ... How long have I been lying on there?". Me: "Umm... About... 5 minutes." D: "What the FUCK?" Me: "Don't worry, it will wear off in a few minutes. You'll be fine." D: "No, no, not that man... just fucking tripped me out. How long have I been lying there?" V: "5 minutes" D: "What happened? I had a bong... Yeah, what the fuck happened after that?" Me: "Are you feeling okay now?" D: "I don't know... Is she real? I want to know that." D started tapping the Kelly Brook poster on the wall by the bed where he had been lying, as if testing it for something. D: "Yeah, that's a fucking wall there!" D begins trying to relate his experience: D: "I was lying there... I don't know... This wasn't a reality, shall we put it that way. Well, it was, but it wasn't. I could look through it, like the wall was nothing. And my head feels weird, like I've just come out from being drunk, like that dead light-headed feeling you get. It really fucking scared me when I opened my eyes... It was like, I was over there [pointing through the wall behind were he had been lying] and was at a swimming pool with loads of people standing around it, and I looked over here and there was someone sat there, and it lifted and you two were sat there. It was just fucked up, screwed up. I thought that this wasn't real and that I'd had something back there at the swimming pool. I thought that place was normal and now I've actually woke up and realised what's going off. I was leaning on a wall and put my head through reality and saw you two there, which must've been me opening my eyes. I don't know, it was just fucking weird man. I only closed my eyes for a second and then woke up and was like 'what the fuck is going on?'.". D told us in retrospect: D: "I didn't expect that to do anything at all, and then I just shut my eyes and thought; 'this ain't gonna...', and I don't remember anything after that. I just remember me sitting up and tripping out. I wasn't expecting that... I was just thinking that it was going to be another one of those 'legal pieces of shit' that I've had before. It was so fucked up. I just shut my eyes, and could see, like a brown outline of my leg at this angle... and when I closed my eyes, it was like; 'angle-angle-angle-angle-angle-a Again, a short break followed where we watched the video of D, before V tried the Salvia for his first time. V was enthusiastic and excited about the experience, was the least nervous and seemed to take it the least seriously out of the three of us, despite having extremely little experience with any substances. He decided to put "Halcyon And On And On" (Hackers soundtrack) on the music player. D filled the bong for V, making sure to put less in than he had used at V's request to accommodate for his lack of previous psychedelic experience. We started the music and V took smoked the salvia in one hit. He was sat up and began describing the effects seconds after taking the hit: V: "There is a definite change in perception as soon as you take it in. It's almost like a screen-mode change [on a computer]. It's definitely getting worse." Me: "Try lying down and relaxing." V lay down and closed his eyes. V: "Okay, so I guess I should say something." Me: "It's up to you. You can go with the experience if you like." V: "It's just like the patterns on the back of your eyes have grown a bit, I guess. It's not strong, I don't think I've done enough. It's kind of like desktop art. Hey, but the music is cool! Although to be fair, it does kind of like feel a little bit like I'm on my death bed, sinking a bit. My body feels like it's sinking a little bit, but I know it's only a feeling. It does feel like you've got weights tied to you. It's like being incredibly tired.". After that, V spontaneously burst into fits of laughing, which sent both me and D also into fits of laughter and then started making Microsoft and Windows jokes, and we all sat there laughing for ages. After a while, he concluded that it just made everything "seem really funny" and that he hadn't had enough to get the effects that he desired. He said that there was a persisting feeling of being pulled backwards for a few minutes. The Second Experience We all decided to go for a second round. Another break followed and D filled the bong for me, using the same amount as he'd had. I wanted to experience something a bit stronger than the last time. I re-loaded my playlist from earlier and quickly re-arranged the order of the tracks before I was ready to try the Salvia again. We started the playlist and I took a single large hit from the bong. As I watched the white glow of the heated Salvia, I knew that the experience was going to be more intense than my previous one. I waited about 20 seconds and became quite disoriented, knowing that something was happening, but not being exactly sure what. I lay down and closed my eyes and suddenly my vision was awash with faint, but well defined geometric patterns. It looked like an infinitely large wall of mostly tesalating hexagons, but each hexagon was a different distance from the last and kept moving inwards and outwards randomly, whilst I was floating in the space in front of them. I seem to recall a sense of exploration, and floating through a hexagonal shaped tunnel constructed of these hexagons to reveal a second similar looking set of hexagons. It was like watching a very smooth computer animation in which I was floating towards and then away from the hexagons. I associated these hexagons with a top-down view of 'sectors' of varying heights used in the FPS videogames "Blood" and "Duke Nukem 3D" that I used to play, but it felt much stranger than mere visuals. My body felt very strange, like my heart was beating very fast and I felt very hot. There was a definite more pronounced effect on the left side of my body where there was no light source or speakers, whilst the right half of my body felt like it was hanging in reality. I felt an overwhelming sense of familiarity about what I was experiencing and a sense of total empowerment over my mind. Contrary to my previous experiences with mushrooms and hash cakes, the Salvia experience seemed quite normal and familiar, despite the overwhelming strangeness. There was a very pronounced sense of what I can only describe as; "this is something that I have been waiting all my life to see and experience.". I tried to sit up a couple of times and relate the experience to my friends, but was unable to get out anything more than "It's really weird. I can see lots of hexagons." in my confused and disoriented state. I remained lucid throughout the whole experience, twice asking the sitters for reassurance that I was okay, and D calmly reassured that I was fine. I remained in this state for about 10 minutes, knowing that it would end soon. The music was no comfort to the experience and did not seem to enhance it at all, however, it did help in giving me an idea of how long the effects would last. As the experience ended, the geometric patterns zoomed outwards to reveal that it was, in fact, a large ball made up of geometric shapes of varying depths. I associated this with an abstract representation of myself, or my mind, at a very low level. It then turned back into a hexagon plane, which began to lose depth and flatten out into a 2D hexagonal grid and fade into normal closed-eye blobs and patterns. After the main effects had faded, we began to talk, I started to laugh. For no reason at all that I was aware of, everything was funny and yet there didn't seem to be any reason as to why. I can only describe it as being very much like the first time I got stoned, only weirder, because nothing really seems very funny, and yet I was laughing anyway. This continued for a couple of minutes before I was able to calm down. Even after believing the effects had worn off completely, I remained somewhat confused for a while, especially whilst trying to use my computer, as I would type the wrong commands in, as though I would jump ahead of myself and give commands in the wrong order. In retrospect, I would in no way say that Salvia is an enjoyable experience, with exception for the laughing. Nothing about it was entertaining, not even the music I was listening to, which I normally love to listen to. The experience was, however, very interesting and I would repeat it with a stronger dose. I definitely feel that there was a huge potential for self-learning, and uncovering past-memories during the experience. Very much like marijuana, but a magnitude more clear-headed and well defined. Another break followed before D was to take his second trip into Salvia space. D said that he was a little more nervous than last time, having under-estimated the effects the first time and wasn't sure whether he should go through with it, but eventually decided to do so. D refilled the bong, this time opting for silence. He requested that me and V just talk as we normally would during his experience, I assume in the hope that it would ground him and that he wouldn't go too far into the experience. D took a large hit from the bong, before commenting: "That's gonna fucking annihilate me; that was right strong.", whilst V started his stopwatch to time the experience. The first effects were evident within less than a minute, when D began talking: D: "The fuck?". D: "Want to know why I first look at you?" (what he said was gibberish, but this is what it most sounded like). Me: "Hm?". D: "'Cause it screws my fucking head up". D: "Fuck". Again, like last time, D seemed to become agitated and nervous. Making sounds as in fear of something. He then suddenly sat up. D: "Oh, it's alright... Sorry. Are you alright? [directed to me]". Me: "Yes, I'm fine. Are you alright?". D: "Umm... There's no-one behind me is there?". Me & V: "No." D: "And that's not stuck to your face?" D looks strangely at V and began moving closer to him, looking with interest. D put his hand out sharply and then gently pushed a few strands of hair away from V's face that had fallen between and just above his eyes. D: "Your fucking hair was level and it was messing my head up right bad. In fact it all is." Me: "Lie down and close you eyes if you want." D: "No, it's not that... That's the...". D picked up the bong and started waving it around quite aggressively. Me: "What's up?" D: *laughs* Nothing... No, it wasn't that... It's just... No, it hasn't done anything... I'd like to say... That has fucking... I don't know... Sorry. " V: "That's okay." D: "It looks like, the table is half you [directed at V]... Am I meant to be doing anything, that is not available, that... what the fuck?" Me: "It's salvia." V: "Just lie down." D: "I'm okay now... I'm sure everything used to be over there..." I thought he was referring to the bong, lighter and other things that were over the other side of the room earlier, but apparently he meant all the furniture, computer, etc. D: "Woa... You two just became part of my trip then... I'm still uncertain whether this is real. Am I actually really here?" Me: "Yes, yes.". D: "Are you sure?". Me: "Yes, absolutely.". D: "Very very sure that this is you two?". Me: "Yeah". D: "Right, and there isn't anyone over there, right?". Me: "Yeah". D: "That is probably the weirdest thing I have ever experienced in my whole life. In fact, I'm never having any more of that ever again. What the fuck.". D's voice was noticably shaky. D: "I tripped out to fuck then, I thought it was the first time. How the fuck can you just sit there and take that and then laugh?". Me: "I don't think we had as much." D: "Can you see how one side of V's face is light and the other side is dark? That's why it tripped me out, 'cause if I look at him from here, it just screwed my head up dead bad. I didn't know whether this was real or whether it wasn't real, or whether it was something else, or whether I was asleep and people were coming along just going 'Ha ha, you're fucked!' and then going back, and I just wanted to make sure that it was you. That was fucked up, I really under-estimated that shit, and now I really don't at all. I'm not doing that again." After yet another short break, V prepared his second trip with more Salvia than the first time. V took a large hit from the bong and the Salvia glowed white with the heat. V: "Here goes nothing.". Less than a minute passed before V burst into laughter. V: "You bastards! 'cause like... it's like... dragging me down... and making me laugh. That's it. There's absolutely nothing visual whatsoever, it just feels like it's this giant weight, pushing down, and it's just like 'whatever'. I want to sit up, but it's just holding me down.". D: "That's weird man, it must have different effects on different people." V: "It has no effects on me." Me: "It does, it makes you laugh." V: "Yes, except it makes you feel like everything's pissing with laughter." D: "I'm wondering how your brain still works after that, 'cause you hammered it in one." V: "I'll tell you what, everything feels like it's about two seconds before. It's the best thing in the world... it really is, I'm like, concious of everything, but it's like a couple seconds after you guys have actually...". V was then unable to speak because he was laughing too much. V: "Okay, it's wearing off now, I'm catching up, but it's like totally... what it feels like, is like... it's still doing it *laughs* whilst I'm trying to have a serious conversation... it's very hard to do. It feels like, there's this strange suction, and I'm like, talking to you through this weird bubble that is reality, and like, leading away is 'before', and going after it is 'after'. It's like, I'm desperately trying to stay on the moment of this bubble, which is apparently very hard to do. And it's wearing off. But apart from that, it doesn't look like anything. There's no visuals. This is a blast. Seriously, it's the craziest shit in the world. What it feels like, is that I'm being sucked up through different boxes of reality, but I can't see the boxes, and I'm passing through this room, and you're not really real, and I'm just telling you because you're like the weird sucked bubble reality thing. And then it's like, with all these weird sucked bubble things, I'm saying 'you're not real, I'm just passing through and then I will suddenly lose reality and come back, and be like, okay, I have to explain to you again what I was talking about.'... It was the weirdest thing, it was so cool!" After calming down, he tried to explain it again in a different way: V: "It was like, your head and your body is this point of existance that you live in, and everything your body does is your moment. Now imagine that your conciousness is this tiny little point inside your body and it's there but normally you don't notice it, but the Salvia makes it into a massive piece of elastic and stretches it, but it wasn't really a delay, but it just felt like a gradual lengthening of the amount of perception. Conclusion D has decided that he will not try it again, and actually said that hallucinegons are probably not for him. V summed it up with: "Again next week then?". I am interested in it, but I'm going to remain cautious until I have more experience. I will certainly not do it alone, and would not reccomend it to others. I can quite easily see how the experience could be unpleasent for some. It's definitely not a recreational drug. Finally, it occurred to me how trip sitting someone is not as easy as I had originally thought when someone is right there, relying on you. It is a very responsible job to be taking up and shouldn't be underestimated, and I think that particularly mine and V's lack of experience shows in the recording I made. After Effects I had a sense of becoming randomly psychic for some time after the experience. It was probably just coincedence, but it occured twice that D would say something right as I would be thinking it. I only remember the second time that it occured, I suddenly had a thought of turning the light on (without any reason I should add), just as D said "Could you turn the light on please?". I said "that's so weird... I just had that thought... I think I'm psychic." D said "Okay, guess what number I'm thinking of now then." I said "Seven". I said this immediately without any real thought, right off the top of my head, and D was like: "Holy shit. That WAS the number I was thinking of.". We tried again, but it didn't work the second time. ![]() Other than that, there was a definite sense of after-glow. After V had gone home, me and D went into town to get something to eat, where crowds of drunk chavs roamed the streets and the chippy where we went. Despite me and D being practically the only sober people there, I had a feeling of being of happiness and relaxation, like being on top of everything, I guess you could class it as a sense of knowing that I have just experienced something that the vast majority of people around me would never experience in their entire lives. It's really quite hard to describe. Edited by TurricaN (03/13/06 10:28 PM)
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Cheers! Registered: 02/28/02 Posts: 2,030 Loc: sailing the seas |
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that was a good detailed report. About your friend V laughing hysterically; I remember smoking salvia on several occasions with other people around, and all I could do was laugh, but I never laugh when I'm by myself doing it. I think when you do it with other people around it is a little more difficult to completely let go and let yourself be immersed in the experience, cause u worry about how u look to your friends, so I just end up laughing at the absurdity of it all
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Grasshopper Registered: 03/17/05 Posts: 823 Loc: Amersfoort, Neth Last seen: 8 months, 10 days |
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Yes, I would agree with you on that. I would really like to try Salvia alone, but I don't think I'm quite ready for that yet, having not broken through. I will give it more time and wait until I have more experience with it before I try it alone.
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Shroom Lover Registered: 03/08/06 Posts: 121 Last seen: 15 years, 5 months |
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I am very interested in trying Salvia and this is a huge help for me thanks for putting such detail in it. Im looking to do it in the next month or two after i get a little more information on it. I have a question though, when you were a sitter about how long was it before you think the person was totally back to normal and could control themselves? Also where did you get the Salvia and if you know of any places that are around the NE US?
Edited by ShRm22 (03/16/06 07:42 PM)
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Grasshopper Registered: 03/17/05 Posts: 823 Loc: Amersfoort, Neth Last seen: 8 months, 10 days |
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I got the Salvia from www.redeyefrog.com , but I think that's a UK only site. I'm sure there are plenty of places in the US to order it from.
It was probably about 15 minutes before my friends were back to normal, about 10 minutes before they were fully under control of themselves in objective reality. Me and a few other friends tried it again tonight. I seriously under-estimated Salvia. It is very intense, it was like my body was kind of splitting into blocks of "something", very unusual, very hard to explain, and that myself was moving away from these blocks. Physically, it was quite worrying and I was asking my friends if I was okay, before I came back to re-assurance and then burst into laughter. It was just like the first time, only I completely forgot about this the first time until I tried it again. Anyways, my friends seemed to have a lot of fun with it, turning into a train station, a production line, hiding in the corner behind the couch and accusing their friends of "invading their space", then laughing like hell for ages. I seriously under-estimated this stuff. It's very powerful, and it's very different. Edited by TurricaN (03/16/06 09:03 PM)
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¡(Bound to·(O))be free! Registered: 09/11/04 Posts: 10,888 Loc: I re·side [prim Last seen: 10 months, 23 days |
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"some try, some do!"
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nn dmt Registered: 03/12/04 Posts: 866 Last seen: 10 years, 11 months |
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Quote: What did u mean about turning into a train station. I did it the other night and I recall a train station all of a sudden weird shit -------------------- Fellow Shroomerites, if you Love expressing yourself with a dope tee shirt feast your 3rd eye on www.facebook.com/vicereversa ∞ Conscious Clothing for Conscious Minds ∞ Wear a tee , open a mind Each shirt is spawned to Arouse Awareness <> We believe in Sustainability & Giving back <> Do you know of a community project or persons in need you feel deserves attention? - Tell us on our page And we just might pick the story > develop a tee > and donate the proceeds to that cause. ∞♥∞ Unget it, VICE REVERSA
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Stranger Registered: 03/18/06 Posts: 41 Last seen: 16 years, 10 months |
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Great post TurricaN
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Grasshopper Registered: 03/17/05 Posts: 823 Loc: Amersfoort, Neth Last seen: 8 months, 10 days |
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Quote: Apparently, according to Erowid, a commonly reported effect of Salvia is a feeling of becoming part of a tunnel, which could easily take the form of a train station with trains going through it. My friend said that he could hear our voices during this, but it was as though the voices were echoing through the train station that he had become.
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