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Offlineleery11
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Why didn't I trip?
    #5392113 - 03/12/06 02:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I had 2 oz of trich bridgesii....

Powdered it up.

Put in equal part water into tupperware and shook it until frothy. Put on stove on low heat for a long time, increased to light simmer/boil.... boiled for 2-3 hours.... had to add a lot of water to it though.

strained...... was left with goey cactus juice. Now.... some of the stuff I just couldn't wring out of the t-shirt, it was really slimy.... was this active mescaline or waste products?

Anyway so I had 2 ounces worth of cactus converted into juice..... last night I drank a small portion of it, like 1/3 of it.... felt mild high effects and thought I would be tripping for sure, but then never did.

Today on a completely empty stomach I took the rest again felt mild high effects quickly after consuming......... gradually felt my energy roaming around...... but its been 4-5 hours and nothing has happened.

Sure I get the occasional reminder every few minutes that I feel slightly different.......... maybe i see some tracers here and there that are just extremely subtle.

Was the fault in the preparation? The dose? Both? Does boiling it waste product? I've heard 20-30g is plenty for a decent trip which is why I decided to take a small amount first and figured if it wasn't high enough the rest would do me.

But it didn't.... I don't feel any higher today than I did yesterday. Does mesc have a tolerance buildup? I've heard people say no, it doesn't.

:x

now I don't know what to do with my spare time. Oh well.

my bodily energy keeps flaring up now and then like i should trip and come up and be "high" but I don't.... and I felt the pulse of an apple I was eating.

It's disappointing because I saw a glimpse of how cool mescaline visuals are last night, but never got to really sample them.


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Re: Why didn't I trip? [Re: leery11]
    #5392147 - 03/12/06 02:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Use cheesecloth, and not a t-shirt.

Was the cactus 2oz dry or wet weight?

Bridgesii, from what I've experienced, has varying levels of mescaline which are vastly affected by environmental and growing conditions. Not to mention that this particular species hasn't been documented as containing a high amount of mescaline in the first place. Perhaps you bought a cactus with a very low potency. You might be better off with T. peruvianus.

Also, I know that 16oz fresh is a pretty standard dose, so converted into dry weight, I would think 2-4oz would be adequate. My guess is that your preparation method was faulty.


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Re: Why didn't I trip? [Re: Ashland]
    #5392159 - 03/12/06 02:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

2oz dry.

Do any shroomery sponsors sell peruvians? I could only find one source and this was the one I used. Bridgessii was all they had...

so long $40.

Next time I may just use the capsule method.


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Re: Why didn't I trip? [Re: leery11]
    #5392254 - 03/12/06 03:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The sponsor you're speaking of has good product.

The thing about bridgesii is that sometimes the mesc content is lower than others. But it has some unique alkaloids. Some thing that they might be active with mescaline (or with MAOI, as shulgin is finding with many cacti). Mescaline can take the beating of simmering for many hours. But can the other alks? Hmm...

I think your main issue, given that you did get some effects, is your small dose last night.

Given anything lost in the prep, etc... even if you did it very well, we're looking at an 18 gram dose last night. No surprise that much wasn't felt. But you redosed today! You had a tolerance and only felt mild effects.


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Re: Why didn't I trip? [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5392273 - 03/12/06 03:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I read that you don't really develop a tolerance to mescaline which is why I redosed.

You're saying if I had waited a few days I would have had a stronger high?


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Re: Why didn't I trip? [Re: leery11]
    #5392285 - 03/12/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It's my belief that you would have.

From what I've seen, all drugs that act on the serotonin receptors exhibit tolerance and cross tolerance. Even from things like DOC to LSD to 4-AcO-MiPT. One exception is usually smoked DMT. Long term perhaps exists though...

For me, mescaline is possible to redose that same night. Have some and have some more an hour or two later. And you'll feel the second wave come on, and maybe even the peak cross and everything. You feel exactly where each dose is at.

But as far as later that week, a tolerance will often be there from what I've read.

I've never dosed in such a consecutive way though, so hopefully someone else will have some insight. Neither one was exactly a monsterous dose though, so I have a feeling this might be to blame. If you took it all the first night, I think you'd be singing a different tune. Maybe not though? You could have a natural tolerance, or perhaps a quick metabolism for mesc, or maybe it was a bad batch. Syrian rue is something to look into.


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Re: Why didn't I trip? [Re: leery11]
    #5392287 - 03/12/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Damn that really sucks man, after fianlly convincing yourself to take the damn thing nothing happened...

Grow some shrooms, then eat them... :smile:


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Re: Why didn't I trip? [Re: Akira]
    #5392300 - 03/12/06 03:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Koala Koolio said:

I've never dosed in such a consecutive way though, so hopefully someone else will have some insight. Neither one was exactly a monsterous dose though, so I have a feeling this might be to blame. If you took it all the first night, I think you'd be singing a different tune. Maybe not though? You could have a natural tolerance, or perhaps a quick metabolism for mesc, or maybe it was a bad batch. Syrian rue is something to look into.



i think that I probably would have ended up with only a light trip comparable to being stoned had I drank the whole thing..... I don't know.

I should have! I thought the small intiial dose would have been at least partially strong. I was avoiding the whole thing in fear of a complete ego-loss scenario.

I just need to go buy some acid, convince my dense friend that NO IT CANNOT KILL YOU and tell him to hook me up.


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Re: Why didn't I trip? [Re: leery11]
    #5392447 - 03/12/06 04:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I find that if you boil it and dont drink the slim its pretty much worthless, though you should still feel it like you did leery11.

Thats why I prefer to eat the cacti fresh, just cut it into slices and eat the green insides out of it, then boil the skins.

So if I was making tea I would end up with lots of slime (powdered or not). My trick would be to drink the slime(pure lemon juice helps the taste quite a bit), there is nothing wrong with that. Only some minor stomach discomfort if anything(like you would expect from peyote) followed by an obvious trip effect.

I tend to enjoy the oldest methods of preparation(almost none). The same way as if I had some peyote. I have eaten more than 2 feet of san pedro at one long sitting, and boiled the skins. It always ranged from medium, to VERY intense, due to the fact that they were from different suppliers.


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Re: Why didn't I trip? [Re: stemmer]
    #5392459 - 03/12/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

hmmm well this was just straight skins and i didn't conceive of any way you could eat them. I tried capsuling but used damn near 98 of them just for one ounce of skin and realized eating all those capsules would be unhealthy.

i'm assuming if you get one of those quick cap machines that you could easily encapsulate a strong dose in far fewer capsules though..........

does anyone have experience with that?

I did eat as much of the slime as I could... it's just that some wouldn't wring out of the shirt that I used. (maybe like 10% of the total amount of slime)

it's like i'd start getting high right away then it would stop and disappear.
I really should have just dosed the whole batch at once :frown:
the first night I saw some mild neat visuals and saw how fractal squares could cascade off the TV...... but then it just.... stopped. That's as high as I got.... it was extremely mild and the visuals were largely absent..... and I was really looking forward to seeing them grow in complexity.

i really want to trip though...........i may break down and do some DXM......... shit though.... fucking USA, sell you dangerous cough syrup but peyote is illegal? Who the hell uses peyote anyway? It's not a street drug.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: Why didn't I trip? [Re: leery11]
    #5392472 - 03/12/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

They probably just look like the skins, but its the skin plus the green tissue underneath. Either that or you really did get ripped off. The "skin" is VERY thin. I doubt thats all you got from your supplier.

I say this because almost all the alkaloids are in the green tissue underneath the skin. The skin being only about 1 mm thick.


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Re: Why didn't I trip? [Re: stemmer]
    #5392498 - 03/12/06 04:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

hmmmmmmm

i don't know, it seemed like just thin skins.........
and then a bunch of green powder in the bottom.

i wouldn't think a shroomery sponsor rips people off.


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Re: Why didn't I trip? [Re: leery11]
    #5392536 - 03/12/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Like one or two mm?
I have never used dried stuff, (mainly because in a way, it could be considered a preparation).
I too am guessing you got some really shitty powder. Im guessing the fact that you think they look like skins is due to the fact that it shrinks down so much after drying.
I have no idea why you didnt really feel it beyond the two things I mentioned. For people that I know, they have been stunned by the effects of 35 grams of powder/tea-slime.


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Re: Why didn't I trip? [Re: stemmer]
    #5392545 - 03/12/06 04:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)


I have heard that bridgesii's potency varies greatly, more so than san pedro(read that in more than one place). SOme have said its a good amount better than san pedro depending on where you get it.


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Re: Why didn't I trip? [Re: stemmer]
    #5392555 - 03/12/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

well that's odd....................

maybe i just did not prepare it right at all. maybe i didn't cook it down enough and not enough mescaline was extracted from the cactus.

they say only the outmost part of the skin is taken and the rest is tossed. and that it's high quality.

can I eat the remaining stuff I strained away for a trip? or alcohol extract it?

it seems to me there would still be some mescaline in this leftover cactus.


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Re: Why didn't I trip? [Re: leery11]
    #5392723 - 03/12/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

who ever wrote that "only the outmost part of the skin is taken and the rest is tossed. and that it's high quality" Didnt word that very well.

They might just not know what the hell they are doing, or they worded it in a way that would deter many potential buyers. The word "outmost", and that they said part of the "skin", could be considered to be a bad sign.
It they did say that, they dont know what most people, anyone would consider to be the skin, because if it was the "outmost" part only, then it would have very little mescaline, (that would literally mean that they only use the skin, which it not a good thing).
I still have no Idea why you didnt trip or why they would word that so poorly.
You could find a way to eat that stuff, but the fact that you said thats only 10% of the slime or so, I wouldnt bet it would do much for you(although it may be the most condensed part of your preparation mescaline wise).

I saw that same wording a long time ago and I did not buy from them because of it, seriously.


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Re: Why didn't I trip? [Re: stemmer]
    #5392744 - 03/12/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

That sucks.

I knew one other source but I forgot who they were and they were out of country.

I also soaked the shirt in a container of water and wringed out as much of the leftover pulp/slime as possible leaving me with a light green mixture that is vaguely oily.

I don't know if it's just being desperate, but maybe drinking all that AND eating the leftovers would work...............

Who knows.


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Re: Why didn't I trip? [Re: leery11]
    #5392841 - 03/12/06 06:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Good luck with that. Back in the day I would have done that and smoked a ton of weed with it and would easily feel it.
The only reason I wouldnt do that today is because I dont use hallucinogens anymore. When you get to the point where you can trip off of .2 grams of shrooms, with obvious fat visuals and a hell of a mind job, you have come far, and dont want to push it. I learned so very much from these drugs, and at some point I thought I was defying "god" in a way. I never believed in god, just one, my own version of it, with theories intact.
SO I would trip off of the follow up prep you are talking about Im certain, but I dont know if you will.
170 trips(never one RC or MDMA) will do that to a person. Even the most responsible user.


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Re: Why didn't I trip? [Re: stemmer]
    #5392864 - 03/12/06 06:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Okay, a few things.

1. The outmost skin thing. He's speaking of the outer few mm of green flesh. It becomes extremely thin once dried. But no, it isn't just the wax. It is the photosynthetic layer. The vendor he's speaking of sells it this way. I think most buyers would get the idea.

2. As far as boiling and preparation goes, you don't waste anything by not drinking the pulp from this method: http://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_preparation5.shtml it works very well.

3. "I have heard that bridgesii's potency varies greatly, more so than san pedro(read that in more than one place). SOme have said its a good amount better than san pedro depending on where you get it. "

They both vary a good deal. It depends what you mean though. If you mean in nature one is more variable than the other, it is different than saying one is more variable based on the widespread clones we use in the US in shops. There are a lot of factors at play.


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Re: Why didn't I trip? [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5392912 - 03/12/06 06:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I was just pointing out that though they both vary a great deal, bridgesii varies more. It is said to often be very potent but most tests would suggest that on average it is lower than san pedro.

I was also pointing out that "skin" is skin, and the underlying green layer is not skin.


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