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Offlinejenerikcairet
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why do most people think such horrible things about hallucinogens like lsd...?
    #5391125 - 03/12/06 05:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

im assuming it has something greatly to do with nixon bashing drugs and bashing folks like leary back in the 60s...but whats the deal it seems like anyone who hears about people doing shrooms or acid they think its a horrible thing, people are so misinformed...you wouldnt believe how many people have said to me "well if you do acid 7 times youre legally insane"...


ugh...

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Re: why do most people think such horrible things about hallucinogens like lsd...? [Re: jenerikcairet]
    #5391139 - 03/12/06 05:48 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

They're still stuck in their whole Dare program days.


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Re: why do most people think such horrible things about hallucinogens like lsd...? [Re: jenerikcairet]
    #5391140 - 03/12/06 05:50 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

just an answer to the topic..

Prejudice, and/as memes..


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Re: why do most people think such horrible things about hallucinogens like lsd...? [Re: jenerikcairet]
    #5391238 - 03/12/06 07:50 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well, you know, the usual reasons like brain-washing, fear, etc.
Have you watched some old anti-drug campaign? It just made me laugh till tears. Now really, people are ignorant and ignorance pays the price.


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Re: why do most people think such horrible things about hallucinogens like lsd...? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #5391467 - 03/12/06 10:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

propaganda and the prejudice caused by that propaganda.

the reality is that most schedule 1 drugs (the drugs considered the worst by the government... no medical use/highly addictive/highly dangerous) are psychedelic hallucinogens ( i belive the only ones on the list that are not psychedelics are heroin, MDMA and PCP). marijuana (which can loosely be considered a psychedelic) LSD, mushrooms/psilocybin/psilocin, peyote/mescaline and DMT are all schedule 1 drugs, and they are pretty much the most harmless and least addictve drugs out there.


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Re: why do most people think such horrible things about hallucinogens like lsd...? [Re: JeffersonDarcy]
    #5391483 - 03/12/06 10:13 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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JeffersonDarcy said:
propaganda and the prejudice caused by that propaganda.

the reality is that most schedule 1 drugs (the drugs considered the worst by the government... no medical use/highly addictive/highly dangerous) are psychedelic hallucinogens ( i belive the only ones on the list that are not psychedelics are heroin, MDMA and PCP). marijuana (which can loosely be considered a psychedelic) LSD, mushrooms/psilocybin/psilocin, peyote/mescaline and DMT are all schedule 1 drugs, and they are pretty much the most harmless and least addictve drugs out there.




here in texas, its a lot differnt than that. for some reason lsd is schedule 3, while mushrooms are schedule 2. schedule 1 are mostly opiates.

i did a post about that...

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5380737/an/0/page/0


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Re: why do most people think such horrible things about hallucinogens like lsd...? [Re: rDr4g0n]
    #5391491 - 03/12/06 10:16 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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rDr4g0n said:
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JeffersonDarcy said:
propaganda and the prejudice caused by that propaganda.

the reality is that most schedule 1 drugs (the drugs considered the worst by the government... no medical use/highly addictive/highly dangerous) are psychedelic hallucinogens ( i belive the only ones on the list that are not psychedelics are heroin, MDMA and PCP). marijuana (which can loosely be considered a psychedelic) LSD, mushrooms/psilocybin/psilocin, peyote/mescaline and DMT are all schedule 1 drugs, and they are pretty much the most harmless and least addictve drugs out there.




here in texas, its a lot differnt than that. for some reason lsd is schedule 3, while mushrooms are schedule 2. schedule 1 are mostly opiates.

i did a post about that...

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5380737/an/0/page/0




I was referring to the federal schedules....


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Re: why do most people think such horrible things about hallucinogens like lsd...? [Re: JeffersonDarcy]
    #5391733 - 03/12/06 12:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: why do most people think such horrible things about hallucinogens like lsd...? [Re: sever]
    #5391757 - 03/12/06 12:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

well for the most part, the right wing powerlords control the flow of infomration and infomr the discourse on these important drugs.

While there are writers like Wilson and Hunter, how many people have actually read them, or gone to erowid or bluelight, compared to how many b.s anti-drug commercials or drug programs or church brainwashing sessions?

As Bakhtin said, all discourse is a struggle. Put your postivie voice out there, support people and placs that do, spread the word about places like this...


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Re: why do most people think such horrible things about hallucinogens like lsd...? [Re: Taco Chef]
    #5391838 - 03/12/06 12:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

hey how does that work? if the state law says one thing and federal law says another, which do they go by?


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Re: why do most people think such horrible things about hallucinogens like lsd...? [Re: jenerikcairet]
    #5391884 - 03/12/06 12:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Our society, in today's North America, is thriving economically largely because of the conservative ideas we hold on to. Conservatism is about avoiding change. Psychoactives represent too large of a philosophical change for our governments to cope with.

History has proven that the most reliable ways to influence the beliefs of the many is through fear and/or hate.

It seems, unfortunate as though it may be, that our government is here to preserve it's populous the easiest way possible rather than the best way possible. Rather than confront the fact that the world is changing, our governments choose to target our youth with attacks that breed fear and hate, hoping to prolong the lull before the next inevitable paradigm shift (and make quite a lot of money in the process).


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Re: why do most people think such horrible things about hallucinogens like lsd...? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5391906 - 03/12/06 01:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I would question if conservative ideas really lead to a thriving economy...of course, the definition of conservatism is what would matter. i've always found progrssivism a great path towrd innovation, invention and entrpenurialism.


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Re: why do most people think such horrible things about hallucinogens like lsd...? [Re: Taco Chef]
    #5392054 - 03/12/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Just a thought...but didn't the progressive movement in the '20's lead to the prohibition?


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Re: why do most people think such horrible things about hallucinogens like lsd...? [Re: Kaleidoscope]
    #5392353 - 03/12/06 03:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It did, but prohibition failed anyway. Maybe the war on drugs will end the same way.


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Re: why do most people think such horrible things about hallucinogens like lsd...? [Re: minesstudent]
    #5392385 - 03/12/06 04:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Two days ago some lame chick I know says to me, "I'm getting drunk every day of Spring Break what are you doing?" and I replied with "Well I don't much make plans in advance but we're going to get some acid for sure." and she looks at me disgustedly and says "Well that's.... bad..."

A week of straight poison drinking, or a few hundred mics of non-poison. I know what I'd choose.


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Re: why do most people think such horrible things about hallucinogens like lsd...? [Re: minesstudent]
    #5392402 - 03/12/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hehe i never was in dare, we sure did have it, but i forgot to turn in all my paperwork back in er, 5th or 6th grade, whatever grade it was, so everytime the dare people met, i had to go out of the room.  Sure hasn't impacted me anyway at all, pos. or neg.

Egh i really think its the social stigma, theres still that social stigma on MJ because its considered illegal, but its the least harmfull thing out there, much less harmfull than Cig's or Alchohol, but those are considered Legal drugs, where as illegal is considered BAD, even if it is less harmfull in everyway.

I don't look at shrooms or LSD, DMT, as anything at all wrong, as i'm sure most of you don't, were all here on the forum for that reason, sure there illegal, but I really beleive it really came from back in the 50's when the Gov't got ahold of LSD for research use and unknowing workers were dosed without there consent or even knowing what was happening to them.  Panic set in, and the ball started to roll.......

Just as MDMA was used in its early days as a emotional tool for letting people open up and such in those wanting help, it was carried out into mainstream and then the social stigma's and dangers were put on it, just as all drugs eventually are.  Most if not all completely wrong just so fear is entered into the minds of those who have never used it

Thats my take on why there illegal, the US Govn't and there unresponsible people.  I'd love to try some Acid myself, not yet sure on DMT though.  As far as why they are still considered illegal, not sure exactly.........but i know meth is becoming an epidemic in alot of places in the US.  Quicker and faster than anything we've seen. Stay away from ICE and stick to the entho's.  Its funny i think when the truth commercials and whatever MJ commercials come on, when meth and a few others should be focused on, and not freaking pot.

My .02.

BTW i definently agree with almost everystatemnt made so far in this post.

I forget the guys name, but he was part of the LSD movement back in the day, but he mearly said that he thought the govn't was afraid that we might find out something that they didn't know, and that scared them, so they made all psychadellics illegal, among other obvious reasons.

Ok enough from me :smile:


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Re: why do most people think such horrible things about hallucinogens like lsd...? [Re: demon2091tb]
    #5392442 - 03/12/06 04:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

hallucinagenic drugs are illegal because they make you confront rabid junkyard dogs since you are a comforist that has no will to resist the impulses of your destructive evil friends.

just think, the next time you smoke a joint, a dog might maul you.


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