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shymanta
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Experimental Fruiting Chamber
#5390371 - 03/11/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Experimental Fruiting Chamber
So, I figured I would experiment with something I bought at Wal-Mart.
Here's a pic.
 So far, I have the 7 drawer storage unit and some stick-on thermometers.
The plan: I'm thinking I will use the top 4 drawers for storage of cultures, tools, etc. and the bottom 3 drawers for fruiting chambers. I will install individual heating and lighting in each of the 3 drawers. I'll need to insulate for heat loss and wire it for electricity.
I figure I'll look at Lowe's for some insulation material but i haven't figured out what to use for a heat source. I want to avoid fish tank heaters, though. I'd also like to avoid the need for a separate thermostat. They cost more that the whole storage unit.
Any thought or suggestions? Thanks.
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Re: Experimental Fruiting Chamber *DELETED* [Re: shymanta]
#5390416 - 03/11/06 09:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Experimental Fruiting Chamber [Re: shymanta]
#5390427 - 03/11/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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You will also encounter a great deal of FAE through the gaps at the tops of the drawers. It will take alot of work to make it do what you want. Buy styrofoam for insulation, and it will also be easy to shape it for seals w/ razorblade. Seems to me too much trouble but maybe it will work for u... GL
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Re: Experimental Fruiting Chamber [Re: shymanta]
#5390544 - 03/11/06 10:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I was looking at those in Walmart. Of course when I saw it I did the same thing I do with everything of that nature, analyzed it's potential use for cultivating mushrooms.
I don't doubt for a minute that someone could use that to fruit mushrooms. But how effective is it going to be? And how much work is it gonna take to set up.
With a setup like that your going to have to somehow get FAE and humidity to each of the drawers. If you just used one large sealed chamber with shelfs inside it that allowed air flow (Your basic Martha/green house set up) You only have to get FAE and Humidity to the one chamber. Lighting would also be a pain in the ass.
It'd be great for storing empty jars, lids, rolls of Micro pore tape, polyfil, empty syringes, alcohol, peroxide ....maybe even a few dried mushrooms LOL.
Edited by musher_420 (03/11/06 10:19 PM)
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shymanta
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Re: Experimental Fruiting Chamber [Re: HippieChick]
#5390647 - 03/11/06 11:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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HippieChick said: I think your plans will be a lot more trouble and work for it to be worth it . How are you going to keep the humidity from getting to your supplies and stuff ?
You're probably right. It'll be alot of work. But for me that is half the fun, tinkering. Humidity seepage doesn't concern me because each drawer is separate from the others. But that presents its own set of problems.
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shymanta
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Re: Experimental Fruiting Chamber [Re: ALHOFF177A17]
#5390648 - 03/11/06 11:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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ALHOFF177A17 said: You will also encounter a great deal of FAE through the gaps at the tops of the drawers. It will take alot of work to make it do what you want. Buy styrofoam for insulation, and it will also be easy to shape it for seals w/ razorblade.
I was thinking that I might use a fish tank air pump with a splitter to give FAE to each chamber.
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shymanta
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Re: Experimental Fruiting Chamber [Re: musher_420]
#5390662 - 03/11/06 11:26 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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musher_420 said: I was looking at those in Walmart. Of course when I saw it I did the same thing I do with everything of that nature, analyzed it's potential use for cultivating mushrooms.
Me, too.
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With a setup like that your going to have to somehow get FAE and humidity to each of the drawers... Lighting would also be a pain in the ass.
I'll probably just mist each drawer. An air pump might take care of the FAE. I think I have the lighting figured out. It's the heating I am having trouble coming up with. However, I have one chamber fruiting now that is heated to 75F via a small florescent light set to come on every four hours.
Who knows. I'll keep this thread updated as I progress. Maybe I'll record it here in my Journal. I'll post a link if I do.
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Re: Experimental Fruiting Chamber [Re: shymanta]
#5390711 - 03/11/06 11:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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it sounds good - in theory - but you could do MUCH more for MUCH less work. this is HARDLY adequate for an FC. hate to say it, but... you have to keep in mind that these things are far from being air tight, and any type of humidification/FAE is gonna be a bitch and a half. not to mention, these drawers are only SO deeep.
here's a suggestion though... (adapted from a tek a buddy of mine came up with):
if you need a LARGE scale drying AND dessicating chamber, these can be MODDED to an exceptional level.
you have 7 drawers, so here's an ADAPTION of the Tek that would work for yo shit.
-Drawer ONE thru FOUR: 1-2 fans (small 4-6" computer fans) can be mounted into the sides of each drawer/level, and small holes can be drilled in the bottom of the drawers themselves for added airflow. in these drawers you would place fresh shrooms for air drying.
-Bottom 3 Drawers: DESSICATION
1) drill holes in the bottom of the first drawer and put down some screen. don't use metal screen though, cuz it'll rust. the screen isn't even necessary, it just keeps small shrooms and abhorts from falling thru.
2) drill TINY holes in the bottom drawer below. and, i mean SMALL. you would fill this drawer with Damp-Rid or comprable desiccant.
3) the very bottom drawer will catch the moisture accumulation. we all know desiccant turns into weird-ass slimy water (BASE - as in the opposite of acid - like bleach). all of this will collect in the bottom drawer and can be dealt with on an as-needed basis.
i should say, this isn't my Tek, it was something a buddy came up with because he's the kinda guy that always has a better idea. even if it's by NO MEANS a BETTER idea.
long story short... there are a few things you can do with these rubbermaid drawer contraptions. none of which are practical, and there are much easier and more tactful ways to get the result(s) you're seeking.
e/z and GL.
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Re: Experimental Fruiting Chamber [Re: shymanta]
#5391978 - 03/12/06 01:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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shymanta said:
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ALHOFF177A17 said: You will also encounter a great deal of FAE through the gaps at the tops of the drawers. It will take alot of work to make it do what you want. Buy styrofoam for insulation, and it will also be easy to shape it for seals w/ razorblade.
I was thinking that I might use a fish tank air pump with a splitter to give FAE to each chamber.
Well I tried it with a fish bubbler and could not attain a high enough humidity because of the high level af FAE, but if you seal them up it will work. But then like somone posted: "lighting will be a bitch." I always go for simplicity and to me that was too much trouble, so now I have a nice 3 drawer storage unit I do not need.Oops
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Re: Experimental Fruiting Chamber [Re: ALHOFF177A17]
#5391996 - 03/12/06 01:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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well since it was from wallmart theyll most likely give you your money back.
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Re: Experimental Fruiting Chamber [Re: rockytop83]
#5392012 - 03/12/06 01:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ahh I cut holes in it and gized on it and stuff...Not likly to take a return like that.LOL
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shymanta
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Re: Experimental Fruiting Chamber [Re: ALHOFF177A17]
#5409417 - 03/16/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Okay, so I figured I was up for the challenge. I installed the lighting, which took care of heat and fitted the shelves with plastic foam insulation.
And you guys (and gals) were right. It was a lot of work. It also cost 40 bucks. I wired the lights to have switches and use house current. I installed a fuse for safety. All parts used were of the proper grade for 120v.
Here is some pics:

The light.

The temp is sitting at a comfy 74-76F.

The bottom small drawer holds the controls.

The best solution for humidity I think is misting and FAE, fanning. I'll figure those out when I have some more casings.
Edited by shymanta (03/16/06 10:13 PM)
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cappa
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Re: Experimental Fruiting Chamber [Re: shymanta]
#5409440 - 03/16/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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hey good work! 5 shrooms for experimentation!
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Re: Experimental Fruiting Chamber [Re: cappa]
#5409450 - 03/16/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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wow very good expierementation.
ive often always wondered about using those containers for somethging of that nature,.
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shymanta
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Re: Experimental Fruiting Chamber [Re: cappa]
#5470572 - 04/02/06 11:33 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey, thanks cappa!
Here is an update to the experiment.


I've got Perlite in the bottom for RH. Since the drawers are not air tight at the top, they need a mist like once a day.
Here is a rye casing (50/50+). He looks happy. More pics when it fruits.
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shymanta
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Re: Experimental Fruiting Chamber [Re: shymanta]
#5512602 - 04/13/06 03:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Here are some fruits.
The light in the chamber has a tendency to dry the casing some if you're not on top of misting. A cool mist might remedy the situation.
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