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Simple ID question.. PICS
    #5390059 - 03/11/06 06:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I found this patch today but didnt pick... Any idea if their adible, active or toxic? I touched the gills and the result was a black tarry or oilish print... maybe its because it was raining... anyway enjoy! :blush:

http://us.a1.yahoofs.com/users/43700bcaz7de8dd7d/a639/__sr_/4b31scd.jpg?phoF4EEBC.klE.bR
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/dichard@sbcglobal.net/detail?.dir=/a639&.dnm=5819scd.jpg&.src=ph

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/dichard@sbcglobal.net/detail?.dir=/a639&.dnm=7d7fscd.jpg&.src=ph


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Re: Simple ID question.. PICS [Re: DICK]
    #5390082 - 03/11/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Those are members of the genus Coprinus. Possibly Coprinus lagopus.

All members of the genus are referred to as Inky Caps because the auto digest into black 'ink'.


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Re: Simple ID question.. PICS [Re: DICK]
    #5390087 - 03/11/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

That is a species in the genus coprinus, the inky caps. The oilish print is the liquefication of the gills - hence the name inky cap. Your pics look like Coprinus comatus, the shaggy mane. Shaggy manes are good eating before the gills get liquidy. However, I don't recommend eating these, some inky caps are not edible, and some will cause you to become ill if you have alcohol before or after eating them. None of them are hallucinogenic, and none are horribly poisonous. Nice finds.

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Re: Simple ID question.. PICS [Re: xmush]
    #5390095 - 03/11/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

nice... so do you recommend grabbing up a couple googling up recipes and printing some for future cultivation? on the topic I know this is not the forum, but how hard are they to cultivate and how 'rare' persay... would it be worth my trouble?


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Re: Simple ID question.. PICS [Re: DICK]
    #5390111 - 03/11/06 07:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Google coprinus first  :thumbup:


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Re: Simple ID question.. PICS [Re: DICK]
    #5390164 - 03/11/06 07:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I highly doubt those are C. comatus.

They are more likely C. lagopus, the "Magpie Inky Cap". They are not edible.

Try googling both Latin names and see which is a better match.


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Re: Simple ID question.. PICS [Re: shroomydan]
    #5390178 - 03/11/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

being a newbie sucks :frown:... yeah I googled and its definately not 'shaggy mane'... sigh. For this reasons sometimes I think I should stick with psylocybe containing mushrooms. Edibles just seems so hard to grow/identify


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Re: Simple ID question.. PICS [Re: DICK]
    #5390189 - 03/11/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Don't give up man. It's almost morel season.  :smile:


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Re: Simple ID question.. PICS [Re: shroomydan]
    #5390196 - 03/11/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

morels! gasp! must google everything I can from them.. I heard they can only grow wild and are VERY hard to grow. Also Ive heard of false morels/truffles... Luckily none are toxic (right?)

Sadly enough the only edible mushrooms Ive tried are those in pizza... What do morels TASTE like making them so valuable??


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Re: Simple ID question.. PICS [Re: DICK]
    #5390223 - 03/11/06 07:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

They taste like pure heaven. :laugh:

Search posts in this forum and in Advanced Mycology. People are now successfully cultivating morels.

There are some poisonous false morels, but the are easy to distinguish once you know what you are looking for.


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Re: Simple ID question.. PICS [Re: DICK]
    #5390316 - 03/11/06 08:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

DICK said:
being a newbie sucks :frown:... yeah I googled and its definately not 'shaggy mane'... sigh. For this reasons sometimes I think I should stick with psylocybe containing mushrooms. Edibles just seems so hard to grow/identify




That's one of the great rewards of mushroom hunting, right about the time I feel like I'll never find anything, BAM. Then I get even more hooked on it. Don't get discouraged, just keep reading. We were all n00bs at one time...or another :tongue:

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Re: Simple ID question.. PICS [Re: LouiseLouise]
    #5390373 - 03/11/06 08:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5375280/an/0/page/0
in this thread i posted some links to morel info that i have been using for years to track them down and watch their progress across the U.S.

Morels are delish.


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Re: Simple ID question.. PICS [Re: remediator]
    #5390395 - 03/11/06 09:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

great link... mushroom expert just has so much info for me to read on... man, just knowing how rare morels can be makes me want it more... theyve probably read marketing 101. :P


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Re: Simple ID question.. PICS [Re: DICK]
    #5390432 - 03/11/06 09:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Ok, after going to mushroomexpert.com Im almost certain that they are comatus since it has the distinctive feature of inky gills and some 'shaginess' (some are more shaggier than others). What concern me though is that it said theres a toxic one that closely resembles it, it didnt mention which so my question is, which toxics can comatus resemble and, what are the distinctive features? Ill be visiting this patch tomorrow and definately creating plenty of spore prints...  :laugh:


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Re: Simple ID question.. PICS [Re: DICK]
    #5390456 - 03/11/06 09:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)


Coprinus lagopus


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Re: Simple ID question.. PICS [Re: shroomydan]
    #5390459 - 03/11/06 09:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

coprinus quadrifidus?


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Re: Simple ID question.. PICS [Re: DICK]
    #5390478 - 03/11/06 09:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

A taxonomical teapot tempest has tortured Coprinus quadrifidus over the years



-Mushroom Expert

Taxonomy is a bitch isn't it?
Isn't this sport fun :tongue:


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Re: Simple ID question.. PICS [Re: shroomydan]
    #5390496 - 03/11/06 09:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yes, even though Im too tired to know what that exactly means :ashamed:

woo I learned something new today! :rockon: if only life were like japanese cartoons in which you 'gained experience points and leveled up' easily  :pirate:


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Re: Simple ID question.. PICS [Re: DICK]
    #5390589 - 03/11/06 10:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

They look a little more like Coprinus quadrifidus in my opinion.
edit* What were they growing on?
C. quadrifidus is a spring/summer staple at my house despite it being listed as undesirable by some sources. However not seeing your mushrooms, habitat, and growth patterns firsthand, I am unabe and unwilling to reccomend eating them.
Another thing to keep in mind with select Coprinus species is the reaction one can experience when alcohol is consumed within a few days of ingestion.

georgem

Oh yeah... I toured a mushroom farm today (Lentinus edodes and three Pleurotus species)... oh my gosh... pretty cool


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Re: Simple ID question.. PICS [Re: georgeM]
    #5391087 - 03/12/06 04:15 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

By George, your right!  :laugh:

My Magpie Inky Caps are mislabeled. They are Coprinus quadrifidus.


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Re: Simple ID question.. PICS [Re: shroomydan]
    #5392688 - 03/12/06 05:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

good warning and description Xmush and once again your right....these are Coprinus comatus (in later stages of development)....hard to match what you have sometimes by pictures as most pics your going to see are of young mushrooms that havent yet begun deliquescence(ink) where they can completely transform into a completely different mushroom (in only couple hours)....which makes it quite a race sometimes....especially on warm days to get them home and throw them over some heat(cook)....which arrests the "melting" making them suitable for refrigeration/freezer....Also good suggestions for look-alikes Shroomy with Quadrifidis and Lagopus demonstrating similarities and potential confusion within Coprinus....especially in their later stages of development....you only want to pick Coprinus that have not yet begun to melt for ID reasons and to avoid the mess....like Agaricus....all common species of Coprinus are eaten but with many sensitivities associated with them maybe even requiring hospitalisation with both certain Coprinus and Agaricus....many of both groups are listed in many books as poisonous....and they are to many people....and just because you ate one species one time does not mean that you wont have a problem with it if you find it again in a different location....neither Agaricus or Coprinus have ever killed anyone?....but there's always a first....Coprinus comatus grows around the world and is probably one of the most popular for the table around the world....(rated as a "choice" edible). It's cosidered one of the safest mushrooms for beginners because of no deadly look alikes and rather distinctive features (when young) compared to other groups of mushrooms.... especially when you have older individuals melting in front of your eyes to aid ID....C. multifidus is commonly eaten but with many people having problems with it especially those with a dissagreable odor with it....general rule of thumb with Coprinus and Agaricus is dont eat them if there is a dissagreable odor involved(by nikking the extreme base of stem)....C. multifidus grows only ON wood(hardwoods) which may be buried(appearing terrestrial)in the east....Comatus grows on the ground....Comatus also averages about twice the size of both Multifida and Lagopus....Lagopus can grow on both the ground and wood....although still eaten there seems to be a high degree of sensitivity the "Magpie" Coprinus picaceus for a lot of people....there are also a lot of problems with eating any "Ink Caps" and drinking alchohol together for many people especially Coprinus atramentarius "Alchohol Inky"(also a very good tasting mushroom thats extremely widespread and in many many habitats) even many hours earlier or later because of the chemical 'coprine' which can react adversely together....its suggested people with sensitiviy who partake daily might want to avoid them all together(well that leaves a few people out...more for me).... small amounts of coprine have also been confirmed in "Shaggy Manes" (Coprinus comatus)....there is also another 'look alike' out there....the "Desert Shaggy Mane"(Podaxis pistillaris) which many think might just be where these mushrooms just took evolutionary right and left turns from each other....Podaxis pisstillaris is the most common desert fungus in the U.S. and occurs in non tropical areas around the world,....on every continent except Antartica and not confined to the deserts....but occurs in ball fields, sandy stream beds, gardens and lawns(like Coprinus comatus). It is also edible but doesnt have any gills....and "Shaggy Manes" are cultivated at home now with many sources for syringe/innocula, slants, etc. then transfered to garden, compost, mycobag, etc....and as Shroomy pointed out many dangers with "False Morels" like Gyromitra esculenta (doesn't esculenta translate edible?) because of monomethylhydrazine which cooking seems to destroy?....while many people eat them without any problems....many deaths have been attributed to them, so Coprinus might a better starting point....but never ever eat a morel(Morchella), false morel(Gyromitra), or a Helvella unless THOUROUGHLY cooked!.


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Edited by shroominDole (03/13/06 12:11 AM)


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Re: Simple ID question.. PICS [Re: shroominDole]
    #5393480 - 03/12/06 09:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for all the great info shroominDole. I love coprinus mushrooms, they are always fun to try and ID, and they all seem to change so rapidly throughout the course of a day or two.

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