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tak
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Climate Change
#5389602 - 03/11/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I hope this is the right place for this. I just kind of want to find out what peoples views on this are. Whether or not its because of global warming, or not...i dunno. Everyone has their opinions, but the fact is, the climate is changing.
It may just be a small cycle, or it may be changing, as it always has since earths existance. All I know is hurricanes are getting worse. Snow filled regions are turning into tropical paradises, and its snowing in Los Angeles.
These things have happend in the past, but something tells me that there is something more, and this isnt just a single event.
Anyones thoughts? Where is gonna be the best place to live?
I think we are gonna be underwater here in florida pretty soon.
Anyways, see you all down at arizona bay
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Re: Climate Change [Re: tak]
#5389675 - 03/11/06 04:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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There is no doubt the Earth is warming.
Whether or not the cause is man made is debatable, I suppose.
I tend to think we are the cause, and this is the opinion of most of the professionals that I meet in the course of school.
Best place to live if things get bad? Hard to say. Depends on how bad things get. Slight changes, stay where you are. If the jet stream shuts down, all bets are off.
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Re: Climate Change [Re: tak]
#5390166 - 03/11/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I definitely am concerned. I can remember my fourth grade art teacher telling us all to have our families boycott the Styrofoam packaging at fast food restaurants because of CFCs. Now we have global warming, and possibly global dimming (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming), and Antarctica is rapidly declining in size (http://nsidc.org/iceshelves/larsenb2002/). Along with changing animal migratory paths, you cannot deny that the earth is changing.
The real question is will we be able to stop it before we go to far, and have we already?
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Re: Climate Change [Re: tak]
#5391235 - 03/12/06 07:49 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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it is signs of the next ice age coming..IMO
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Re: Climate Change [Re: supra]
#5392593 - 03/12/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Interesting climate change model by Bear (Owsley). Ice Age...
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Re: Climate Change [Re: tak]
#5394345 - 03/13/06 04:37 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have little doubt that the climate is changing. Millions of years of history show that the earth goes through drastic climate changes. However, I have serious doubts as to the impact mankind has upon the climate change. There is zero, none, nadda, proof that mankind has any effect at all on the climate. There are a lot of theories, a lot of models, a lot of extrapolations, and a lot of guesses, but there is no proof.
The Earth could be going through a climate change for any number of non-mankind related reasons... the solar system could be going through a warmer/cooler part of space... the sun could be putting out more/less heat... the core of the Earth could be putting out more/less heat... etc...
Of course, there is no proof (none, zero, nadda) that mankind is NOT causing the climate change. The environmentalists use this fact, along with mankinds ego, to convince the layman that mankind must be responsible for the changes we are seeing. I find this practice to be extremely unethical. I immediately tune out anybody that makes an absolute claim one way or the other when it comes to climate change. The honest truth is, we simply do not know... anybody that makes an absolute claim to the contrary is misleading you.
> There is no doubt the Earth is warming.
Actually, there is some doubt. Just because we have had record high temps for the last decade doesn't mean anything. A decade sounds like a long time to a human, but climate changes are things that last for thousands upon thousands of decades... using one decade as a predictor for a 3000 decade cycle is not sound science.
> you cannot deny that the earth is changing
The Earth is a dynamic system undergoing constant change. The question isn't "is the Earth changing", but rather "is the Earth changing in an abnormal manner". Unfortunately, Humans have not been around long enough to record the data required for this question to be answered. We can make guesses based upon fossil and geological records, but these are only guesses... good guesses, but still guesses.
> The real question is will we be able to stop it before we go to far, and have we already?
Ah yes, there is the ego I was speaking of... talking about fixing something that may not be broken with the assumption that we broke it in the first place...
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Re: Climate Change [Re: Seuss]
#5394349 - 03/13/06 05:00 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree with you. Maybe not 100%, but _I_ cannot prove we are causing the earth to warm, I just have my personal opinion.
What makes me wonder though, what is to happen in the near future. Change is a natural process, and everything...but its happening, and fast. I am a believer that once it starts, it speeds up until it finds a comfortable place to stop.
Is the united states going to turn into the new Saudi Arabia?
Without knowing the full effects of whats happening, is there any way to prepare for it, other than sitting back and watching?
Not to sound overly paranoid about it, I am just interested....We've all seen day after tomorrow, and even if its not 100% accurate, its the truth. When you start messing with stuff in a balanced ecosystem, there is going to be massive change.
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Re: Climate Change [Re: tak]
#5394604 - 03/13/06 09:17 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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also take into account that the core's flow that controls the magnetic field changes directions periodically, ive learned in geology studies that we do not really know what a change in the direction of core flow will do to the earth/humans/life......but another theory that is out there, and could possible be linked to climate changes/ice ages.
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Re: Climate Change [Re: supra]
#5396415 - 03/13/06 07:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
supra said: also take into account that the core's flow that controls the magnetic field changes directions periodically, ive learned in geology studies that we do not really know what a change in the direction of core flow will do to the earth/humans/life......but another theory that is out there, and could possible be linked to climate changes/ice ages.
peace
yea we do, haven't you seen THE CORE? Summary written by Jon Reeves {jreeves@imdb.com}
For reasons unknown, the earth's inner core has stopped rotating, causing the planet's electromagnetic field to rapidly deteriorate. Instantly, life around the globe begins to change dramatically. In Boston, 32 people with pacemakers, all within a 10-block radius, suddenly drop dead. In San Francisco, the Golden Gate Bridge collapses, sending hundreds of people plunging to their deaths. In London's Trafalgar Square, flocks of pigeons lose their ability to navigate, flying into panicked crowds, slamming into windshields and causing drivers to lose control of their cars. And in Rome, as thousands of tourists watch helplessly, an electrical superstorm reduces the ancient Roman Colosseum to rubble. Scrambling to resolve the crisis, government and military officials call upon geophysicist Dr. Josh Keyes and a team of the world's most gifted scientists to travel into the earth's core in a subterranean craft piloted by "terranauts" Major Rebecca "Beck" Childs and Commander Robert Iverson. Their mission: Detonate a nuclear device that will reactivate the core and save the world from sure destruction.
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Re: Climate Change [Re: WhiteBunny]
#5397592 - 03/14/06 01:52 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I hope i just missed the sarcasm/humor in that post. Because that movie had nothing to do with science in the least.
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there was a pinch of sarcasm in that post 
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