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Psilocyan
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Ayahuasca Kit
#5388750 - 03/11/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Has anybody had any experience with the Ayahuasca "kits" from shamanic-extracts.com?
What is potentially attracting me to them is the reasonable price and the fact that a recipe is included. I was going to simply aquire the plants, but all recipes I've come across are for fresh material...which is incidentally sort of hard to get outside of the Amazon.
I was also wondering about the legality of the shipment. I know that B. caapi is perfectly fine, but I've read some abiguous things about P. viridis and other DMT containing plants. I'm in the United States, GA...is there any danger of me being held responsible or even the shipment becoming seized or anything?
I'd appreciate any input; just trying to get some facts straight. Thanks guys.
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Re: Ayahuasca Kit [Re: Psilocyan]
#5388856 - 03/11/06 11:19 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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An ayahuasca kit is one of the most illegal ideas I've heard in a while. It's also probably overpriced.
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dr0mni
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if you buy the plants individually you are just buying "botanicals". If you buy an ayahuasca "kit" you are buying a "drug kit".
and thus the end of the online botanicals market is hastened...
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Re: Ayahuasca Kit [Re: dr0mni]
#5388870 - 03/11/06 11:25 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Most of the plants that you need for Aya ca be purchased online. They may not always be the 'freshest' - but they are probably alot fresher then what you'd be finding in a kit.
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Psilocyan
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Re: Ayahuasca Kit [Re: kaniz]
#5388891 - 03/11/06 11:33 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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No...what I meant was, I'd be receiving the Caapi vine and dried P. viridis. I don't want the "kit," but I can't find any information on proportions for dried viridis and crushed caapi. All the recipes were for fresh stuff, which is obviously going to weigh more.
I want to buy them separately, but I don't want to just throw some plants in a pot using a random proportion and gulp it down.
And yeah, I have no idea what I was thinking. Now that I think about it the way it's packaged is a bit ludicrous.
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Re: Ayahuasca Kit [Re: Psilocyan]
#5388913 - 03/11/06 11:42 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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MAn I've been eyeing the same exact kits from shamanic-extracts for a while. They have like 5-6 different ones right.
Well the thing about that website is that they have various products which they specifiy to where thay can and cannot ship too. For instance dried peyote catcai is one of the products that does not ship to the USA. But the Ayauaska kits ship to the United States.
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Psilocyan
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Re: Ayahuasca Kit [Re: Psilocyan]
#5388920 - 03/11/06 11:48 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah those are the ones. I'm interested in B. caapi and P. virids, but I just haven't had any luck with finding recipes. I guess this has just turned into a recipe hunt for me using the ingredients you'd get from IAmShaman or BouncingBear. Anyone got any leads?
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Re: Ayahuasca Kit [Re: Psilocyan]
#5388922 - 03/11/06 11:49 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Ayahuasca Kit [Re: abrad84]
#5388930 - 03/11/06 11:54 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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If its weak stuff, and it usually is these days, 50g/50g caapi and viridis might be a good idea. This is what nearly everyone on ayahuasca.com seems to be recommending. If using Chaliponga, 25g should do. If using Jurema, 5-8 will do it. Syrian rue, 2-3g.
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Psilocyan
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So just a simple 1:1 ratio? By the way, I'm looking for a light to moderate level of experience; This will be my first time with the medicine, and I want to respect it and not get in over my head.
Thank you Koala, you always know what you're talking about, and I appreciate your help.
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Re: Ayahuasca Kit [Re: Psilocyan]
#5389057 - 03/11/06 12:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Light experience, eh? You could try taking less viridis, you just never know what you're going to get these days. I know people who've taken 70g of viridis, and it was such crap that they felt nothing but the caapi.
Ideally, you could take a little less than 50 of viridis.
Chaliponga seems to have a much more standard strength. It has a little bit of 5-MeO-DMT in it, but I've recently read that it isn't enough to have a "5-MeO-DMT Trip". Just might flavor the experience a little. I believe it also has NMT, and 5-MeO-NMT, though I don't believe they've been proven active. not alone at least.
So, your best option is to buy a bulk amount of both, start small, and find out whats right for you. If you aren't sure you'll want to repeat it, can't afford that, or don't want to get stuck with a crappy product, I'd take my chances with 50/50. Just don't buy viridis from BBB, from what I hear. (Not their lower priced stuff at least)
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Re: Ayahuasca Kit [Re: dr0mni]
#5389068 - 03/11/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
dr0mni said: if you buy the plants individually you are just buying "botanicals". If you buy an ayahuasca "kit" you are buying a "drug kit".
and thus the end of the online botanicals market is hastened...
yea when I read this I was amazed at the stupidity of it....
but the site is in the Netherlands. so it doesnt really effect the US... they can do whatever they want and if someone in the US gets causght having a drug kit imported, they fucked up.
as long as the botanical companies in the US dont do shit like this its all good. and I'm sure they know better... if they were selling something that could be considered a drug kit, they have more to lose than the consumer
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Psilocyan
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Thanks, I'm going to get bulk amounts of both, like you said, and start with a 50/50 Caapi and viridis brew. I'll find out what works for me, so to speak.
Thank you again for your sound advice, you're an asset to the community.
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Re: Ayahuasca Kit [Re: Psilocyan]
#5389557 - 03/11/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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70 grams of viridis could be total crap and you wont feel much(But I doubt it), or It could be one HUGE mistake. Say you have sufficiant mao-inhibition, and then down the 70grams worth in tea and it happened to be really good viridis. It just might scare you to death. Some people react very strongly to very small amounts of ayahuasca. I recommend starting at a very low dose with ayahuasca.
If it takes 70 grams to have what you would consider to be a strong experience, you can be pretty damn certain your viridis is VERY low quality.
SYrian rue can provide a good solid amount of maois and you know exactly what you are taking. Caapi varies in potency greatly.
Edited by stemmer (03/11/06 03:41 PM)
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Re: Ayahuasca Kit [Re: stemmer]
#5389639 - 03/11/06 04:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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"If it takes 70 grams to have what you would consider to be a strong experience, you can be pretty damn certain your viridis is VERY low quality."
Exactly. That's why I suggest avoiding BBB. Caapi varies too, but nearly to the extent that viridis seems to.
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I have had viridis that is so potent that 25 grams would likely scare the shit out of most people.
Ayahuasca is typically made with large amounts of maois, far beyond what is required for mao-inhibition, so it by its self is very hallucinogenic at that level, thats why id start VERY low with the viridis.
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