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BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types
#5388657 - 03/11/06 09:43 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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B/E stands for "biological efficiency".
An example of 100% B/E is this.
1000 grams of fresh mushrooms derived from 1000 grams of dry Substrate is 100% B/E.
P. Cubensis is quite capable of 200% B/E, under optimal circumstance.
People often ask why I shout out.
Do grain spawn, to bulk substrate, cased.
Here is why.
Standard PF type cake recipes only contain X amount of DRY weight BRF nutrient, per 1/2 or 1 pint cake.
A bulk substrate like dry compost, or h/poo spawned with wbs/grains is nearly 100% nutrient.
Figure it out YOURSELF. As an example.
Calculate the DRY weight of BRF that goes into 20 1/2 pint cakes.
Then, compare the B/E at 200%, with bulk substrate. (which gives PF cakes B/E the benefit of doubt).
Calculate the B/E of 10 lbs of dry weight compost, or h/poo.
Post your answer.
The numbers speak for themselves.
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: agar]
#5388909 - 03/11/06 11:40 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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math is hard.
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: agar]
#5388912 - 03/11/06 11:42 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I see no boobs, dont make us ban you
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5389001 - 03/11/06 12:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's like those damn "free porn" websites. They draw you in with boobage and deflate your hopes (and more) when they ask for a credit card #.
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: agar]
#5389004 - 03/11/06 12:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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The formula for biological efficiency has always kinda .... Bothered me I guess I could say.
I just don't understand how something can be more then 100% efficient.
Wouldn't it be more accurate to use the dry weight of the mushrooms?
Probably a very simple answer to this but I'm just not seeing it.
edit: I just pondered this for a few more minutes and started thinking, I would suppose this calculation is used by commercial mushroom farmers who grow legal edibles. Drying them out would not only be a time and money consuming job, but no body would want to buy cracker dry edibles.
Edited by musher_420 (03/11/06 12:23 PM)
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5389032 - 03/11/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: I see no boobs, dont make us ban you

There ya go P-1.
I'm going to let this smolder for a little while.
Before, I do the math.
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: agar]
#5389097 - 03/11/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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oh man... why... this is a mushroom cultivating forum. Do we really have to bring sex here as well... we are exposed to it enough as it is don't you think? I don't think its funny. sorry... just had to let that out
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: agar]
#5389112 - 03/11/06 12:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think I did the math right=
at 200% BRF's B/E at 20 jars is: 3.32lbs= 1511.974grams and the horse poo's B/E at 100% is 10lbs= 4535.927grams
it certainly does speak for itself... asssuming I did it right
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Edited by Tattoo (03/11/06 01:47 PM)
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: Tattoo]
#5389119 - 03/11/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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but doesn't that just come out as simple weight nutrients?
ITs only advantage is that its coupled with another nutrient, bird seed making it 100% nutrient as you say
So the B/E is lost due to the fact that PFtek uses Vermiculite as a conditioner and loses net weight as it doesn't add nutrients. Where unless you tripple the size of your incoulated jars your still really wasting more spores instead of up and using horse poo instead.
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: agar]
#5389174 - 03/11/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i think the answer is ..... LOADS!!!!
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: TheLegend]
#5389286 - 03/11/06 01:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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how is 200% efficeny even possible, can a colony turn 1000 grams of nutrients into 2000grams of shrooms? 
casing is the only way I can think of but even then the best it can do is 100% off the top
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Edited by Tattoo (03/11/06 01:49 PM)
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: Tattoo]
#5389319 - 03/11/06 02:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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yes... but this is DRY weight.
dry the 2000 gm. and see what you will get.
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: Oatman2000]
#5389335 - 03/11/06 02:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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well, its calculating dry substrate- I doubt the dry substrate/dry fruit ratio is 1:1 in this case with 100% B/E-
or is it? To my understanding dry fruit is 1/3 its wieght when wet
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Edited by Tattoo (03/11/06 02:10 PM)
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: Tattoo]
#5389366 - 03/11/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dry substrate weight = wet fruit weight for 100% so Dry weight/10 = dry fruit weight.
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: FooMan]
#5389407 - 03/11/06 02:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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FooManShroom said: It's like those damn "free porn" websites. They draw you in with boobage and deflate your hopes (and more) when they ask for a credit card #.
oh damn....thats fuckin' hillarious!!!!
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: agar]
#5389414 - 03/11/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good info, just got some hpoo today, I really look forward to working with it.
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: Tattoo]
#5389549 - 03/11/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tattoo said: how is 200% efficeny even possible, can a colony turn 1000 grams of nutrients into 2000grams of shrooms? 
casing is the only way I can think of but even then the best it can do is 100% off the top
Think about the water (moisture). After all, a mushroom consists of 90% moisture.
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: agar]
#5389595 - 03/11/06 03:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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agar said: Calculate the DRY weight of BRF that goes into 20 1/2 pint cakes.
Then, compare the B/E at 200%, with bulk substrate. (which gives PF cakes B/E the benefit of doubt).
Calculate the B/E of 10 lbs of dry weight compost, or h/poo.
Post your answer.
Is this extra credit for the hunt? Anyway, BRF has a specific gravity of .593, or 1.62 pints/lb. Since twenty 1/2 pint jars equals 10 pints, you start with 6.18 lbs of flour and yield 12.36 lbs of shrooms, at 200% BE. 10 lbs of horse poo at 200% BE yields 20 lbs of shrooms.
Another way to look at it is to start with the same amount of dry substrate. Since there are 1.62 pints/lb, it would take 16.2 pints of BRF to equal 10 lbs of horse poo. That is 32.4 1/2 pint jars of BRF. Each 1/2 pint jar would need to produce .62 lbs of shrooms to equal a crop from 10 lbs of horse puckey.
[EDIT:] corrected typo from lbs/pint to pints/lb.
Edited by mogur (03/11/06 04:07 PM)
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: mogur]
#5389606 - 03/11/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mogur, are you accounting for the fact that 1/2 pints are not totally brf?
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: Jaeger]
#5389631 - 03/11/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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No, the actual number of jars would have to increase to contain 10 lbs, by the percentage of unused jar volume.
[EDIT:] For 20% unused space, the results would be 39 1/2 pint jars, and .513 lbs required from each cake.
Edited by mogur (03/11/06 04:20 PM)
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types *DELETED* [Re: BMArts]
#5389681 - 03/11/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: Jaeger]
#5389686 - 03/11/06 04:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anno's Fungifun recipe for 1/2 pint PF cakes calls for 40 ml of BRF per jar. I just ground up some brown rice, measured out 40 ml & weighed it.
 So, lets just say (give or take a gram or 2 either way ). That, each 1/2 pint jar contains 1 ounce of BRF.
Which is the only nutrient in the PF substrate. (totally discounting Verm content)
At a 100% B/E, you would get 1 ounce of fresh fruits from a PF jar.
Double that @ 200% B/E, which would give you 2 ounces of fresh fruits.
On that basis, it would take 160 PF cakes to equal the yield of 10 lbs of h/poo substrate.
10 lbs h/poo substrate = two 12 quart trays.
Which would you rather do?
160 PF cakes, or 2 h/poo trays.
At 100% B/E the those 2 trays would yield 10 lbs of fresh fruits. Double that at 200% B/E.
Dried, at 100% B/E you get 1 lb of dry shrooms. Double that at 200% B/E. 
The point being, the time, labor, materials & space for 160 PF cakes. Verses doing 10 lbs of h/poo, in 2 trays.
Again, which would you rather do?
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: agar]
#5389707 - 03/11/06 04:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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It did not take me long to see that even doing cakes once would have been a waste of my time. I went right to rye, wbs, poo and casings.
Cakes are nice, but inefficient and expensive. Poo is alot cheaper than cakes. And birdseed is about the cheapest thing we use.
So on top of Biological Efficiency, bulk/casing is also more Economical Efficiency.
Darken *smiles*
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: Darkenshroom]
#5389773 - 03/11/06 04:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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 Really puts things into perspective agar  Well done!
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: HippieChick]
#5389776 - 03/11/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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HippieChick said:
Guess I'll stop posting lingerie photos if it upsets peeps so much.
*suddenly sits up the the chair* huh?
screw math! more photos! LOL
Unless your lingerie is that beautiful pressure cooker you squeeze yourself into. I've seen that one.
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: agar]
#5389840 - 03/11/06 05:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh, I see. I thought you were asking for a comparison of pure BRF to pure Hpoo. My bad. Since your actual measurement of the weight/volume ratio of BRF is close to my assumption that the published specific gravity of wheat flour would be roughly equivalent to brown rice flour, then my calculations agree with yours. If cakes are only 17% BRF (40ml out of 236ml), then my figures give 188 jars required.
PS Down, tokey, HC said that wasn't her in the big PC. (I think)
Edited by mogur (03/11/06 05:24 PM)
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: mogur]
#5389866 - 03/11/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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That is H/C in that AA 941 pic, for sure.
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types *DELETED* [Re: mogur]
#5389887 - 03/11/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: HippieChick]
#5389936 - 03/11/06 06:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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HippieChick said: Believe me . The extra $30 for the 21 quart over the 8 quart is well worth it .
But to answer your question , this is the IDEAL size

$150 shipping included . Hippie Chick not , lol .
Peace,Love,Happiness and Harmony Hippie Chick
I'm swinging and missing all over the place today, lol. This is the post I was thinking of, and misunderstood your joke about not being included with the shipping. I thought you were saying that it was not you in the picture. Thank you very much for the lingerie photo. Grin.
PS And thanks for straightening me out.
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: mogur]
#5390086 - 03/11/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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holy shit i see... spin city!
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: skeletor]
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Nice boobs!
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: austio_ferocious]
#5390527 - 03/11/06 10:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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every pic you put up here hc.... looks better and better
maybee one day we'll get to see your face. It's like a mystery (like batman)
BTW.... smoking body (as he get's slaped by g/f) Ps.) she is soo jelous of you, (and also not watching me type this right now...LOL) {send}
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: skeletor]
#5390541 - 03/11/06 10:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I got your holy spin, hanging.... Lighten up, just trying to help.
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: HippieChick]
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HippieChick said: Guess I'll stop posting lingerie photos if it upsets peeps so much.
Well if it bothers you that people get so upset over the woman figure, then maybe you shouldn't post pictures...
But if you ever so get that inclination to show yourself to people, just message all photos to me. That's me... PM Hoss. 
Remember... PM me @ Hoss.
Willing to judge all photos. (Of women, you bastards!)
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: Hoss]
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Hippiechick aye? Those legs look shaved to me, can you seriously call yourself a hippie if you own a razor? :P
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: _Lucid_]
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: HippieChick]
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aye! Listen to the woman, back on track or the masterlock shows its face
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: coda]
#5391439 - 03/12/06 09:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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It would be nice to see a B/E experiment run with various substrate/casing materials, but would be hard to accomplish as establishing a control group would be difficult at best. But if someone figured out a way to do it, it sure would be interesting lol.
Darken *attempts to steer the convo back to B/E*
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: Darkenshroom]
#5395735 - 03/13/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I was thinking about agar's post earlier and was thinking (not the boobs part)... it would be pretty cool to achieve 200% biological efficiency... but there are so many possible variables and after rereading the post I see that no one mentioned the following...
I always wondered how long is too long to keep your spawn growing in your jar? I mean on the outside it always looks done far earlier then the inside (I use rye grains) but if you open it too early you may find a bunch of loose grains in the middle. I wonder if the longer you keep your spawn in the jar (without it going bad) the closer you are to get 200% bilogical effeciency (obviously everything else has to be pretty close perfect while growing)
I sometimes get real anxious when I see my spawn in the 1/2 gallon jars that looks ready... and all I could think is damn mike from tennstud... when is my poo coming? When it finally arrives and I remove the spawn from the jar it always seems to me that it could have gone longer (much longer at times) and maybe it if I left it longer.... I will get a higher yield? Then again I never left my spawn long enough in the jar for it to go bad... I never took it to that extreme cause spawn is oh so precious!
Back to my 3 questions (before I began rambling)
How do you know the perfect time to mix your spawn with your substrate? (before it starts to detioriate)
And if you keep it until optimal time passes.... will you more likely to succeed 200% biological efficiency?
And it may be pretty obvious but I am assuming if you use the perfect spawn to substrate ratio you will also be more likely to achieve BE? How much spawn is too much spawn?
Just contemplating.....
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: tonyperez420]
#5395743 - 03/13/06 04:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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oh yea 1 more thing....
is there a best substrate for spawn to achieve BE?
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: tonyperez420]
#5395751 - 03/13/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good compost seems to be best, followed by hpoo that has been prepared approp. Maybe add some verm and a small ammt of oil to the hpoo too. Search around, lots of info out there
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Re: BIG BREASTS, B/E, substrate size & types [Re: tonyperez420]
#5395766 - 03/13/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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  Top quality custom made compost is TOPS (in my book)
 Next to that, well weathered, dry, shredded h/poo.
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