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OfflineSchwip
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12 step programs?
    #5386545 - 03/10/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Has anyone ever done one of these?

I have had a pretty good sized problem with cocaine use in the past.....

It seemed I had overcome it.....simply by NOT putting myself around it or indulging....

This went great for 3 months....

Now come last weekend.....I was to go take care of work related things early in the week.....so figured i would have some beers over the weekend....

Go to the bar...end up running into some old dealers....the prospect of easy money come up....I bite....using some money i should not have used nor had any right to use.....

Things turn sour .... money is gone.....

I come clean about my problems with my family......

Now they are basicaly forcing me to attend this program(a 12step deal) they found at some local Evangelical church.....

Now at first i am very receptive about this.....sure what could it hurt....i know i have/had a problem.....

But looking into this program online and just 12 step programs in general.. i find they all have some major points in common:

-You have a problem and must admit it....you are diseased for life basically with this problem....admit you are powerless.

Wha? i dont know about that....yes i admit making major mistakes in my life....even made them more than once....i feel very different after this last time though....i am ready to let go of the old lifestyle and fully grow up....

- (the big one) Came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity

now im not exactly an atheist or anything....but this whole faithbased rehabilitation just does not jive with me.....it comes back admiting that i have no power over myself.... just not what i believe....

i know i have made mistakes.....i have charted out how i will avoid making these mistakes ever again.....i have faith in myself now....

now i just have to show the family i mean business.....hmmm...not sure where im going with this right now....

whats everyone else take on 12 step programs?

On ending here is the rundown for the program they picked out:

COUNSELING PERSPECTIVES

We make use of a variety of perspectives in understanding individuals in counseling. They include:

Cognitive Behavioral Perspective
Emphasis on what one believes and how this affects one's behavior.

Developmental Perspective
Emphasis on one's life stages of development as it relates to the physical, emotional, psychological and spiritual dimensions.

Family Systems Perspective
Emphasis on the role of the family, both current and family of origin, in shaping our perspectives on God, ourselves, and others.

Biblical Perspective
Who God is, how He sees us and what He wants us to understand about Himself, ourselves, and our relationships with others.

Theophostic Healing Perspective
THEOPHOSTIC = THEO (GOD) + PHOSTIC (LIGHT) = GOD'S LIGHT
To quote author Ed Smith, "Theophostic Ministry is a process of divinely accomplished miracles. I believe that unless Jesus chooses to act and heal, nothing significant can or will happen. In it's simplest description, it is merely moving aside and allowing the Spirit of Christ to expose darkness with light. It is the Spirit of Jesus revealing truth, freeing an individual of the lies that dominate his or her thinking, emotions and behavior. Only He can set people free from lifelong fears, shame, false guilt, and anxiety, lifting the dark clouds of depression in a divine moment."



--- ya.......'OK'


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OfflineMushroomTrip
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Re: 12 step programs? [Re: Schwip]
    #5386670 - 03/10/06 04:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Fuck that. To be more specific, have you seen the last episode from South Park, bloody marry?
Get strong and you can do it all alone. Only if you really want.
Yeah, and don't believe it "you have no power" type of bullshit. The only one which can help you is.... YOU.
I'd suggest you a documentary called "shamans of the amazon". And it refers to ayahuasca. And at one particular point of the documentary, here comes a woman talking about ayahuasca helping in recovery from coke and heroin addiction. If there is something to try, try this.
And anyways, haw much coke have you done in you entire life? You must do it for a really long time and on regular basis so you can be really addicted.
I think it's more a physiological addiction, which if you have enough power you'll beat it.
In my opinion, the biggest mistake you made is you telling your family about it. They won't let you breathe and your recovery will take you way too much just because of them standing on your neck.


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Re: 12 step programs? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #5386731 - 03/10/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I am now writing a very heart felt letter to my parents addressing this whole issue....

I hope they will see that I am in the process of helping myself....and that process does not include a 'rehab program' of this sort.


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" If the sky were to suddenly open up there would be no law. There would be no rule. There would only be you and your memories... the choices you've made, and the people you've touched. If this world were to end there would only be you and him and no-one else. "

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"MAN! You know there aint no such thing as left over crack!"



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Re: 12 step programs? [Re: Schwip]
    #5386752 - 03/10/06 05:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Excellent choice.
Wish you only the best.      :hug:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:


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Re: 12 step programs? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #5388211 - 03/11/06 04:36 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

fuk those programs
its a long trip to come off of abusive paths to clearer waters
and there are bound to be more or less relapses
u were already 3 months clean and thats a good start.. keep it up :thumbsup:


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