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Is DMT salt blue?
    #5386107 - 03/10/06 03:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Anyone know what colour DMT salt is?

The freebase is white/orangey but if you added acid water to the non-polar solvent and then seperated and evaporated the acid water would the DMT salt be blue?


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Re: Is DMT salt blue? [Re: simtap]
    #5386118 - 03/10/06 03:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

dmt salt shoudl be white to sort of orangy why do you say blue. all teh picks at erowid with extracted DMT will be acetate or hydrocloride or whatever.

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Re: Is DMT salt blue? [Re: the man]
    #5386148 - 03/10/06 03:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The white/orange crystals are freebase.

I'm talking about when you take it a stage furthur and turn the freebase into salt.


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Re: Is DMT salt blue? [Re: the man]
    #5386177 - 03/10/06 03:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Never seen blue DMT salts, but i've heard of purple Akaysha (sp?) DMT salts (most likely extracted from a different source plant, hence the color).


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Re: Is DMT salt blue? [Re: LiveByFreedom]
    #5386291 - 03/10/06 03:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It could be called purple come to think of it.


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Re: Is DMT salt blue? [Re: simtap]
    #5386360 - 03/10/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Nope DMT salt is a fine white powder.

At least the DMT Phosphate salt is. (I have made it before)

Why do you think it would be blue?

BTW- The purple color is from the Mimosa Hostilis root bark, and it is not actually the alkaloids which are purple, but for some reason there are more alkaloids in the purplish part.

Ayahuasca should be a dark amber color if done right.


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Re: Is DMT salt blue? [Re: simtap]
    #5386595 - 03/10/06 04:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Just curious, why would you want DMT salt? Can you still smoke it, or is it for ingestion or i njection?


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Re: Is DMT salt blue? [Re: ToolTroll]
    #5386712 - 03/10/06 05:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think you should smoke DMT salt, it would be harsh. I made mine to put into gel caps and mix with some harmaline for a quick ayahuasca pill.


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Re: Is DMT salt blue? [Re: pip182]
    #5387045 - 03/10/06 07:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

There is a known bluish impurity in coleman's fuel that could come through this way.


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Re: Is DMT salt blue? [Re: pip182]
    #5387054 - 03/10/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't think you should smoke DMT salt, it would be harsh. I made mine to put into gel caps and mix with some harmaline for a quick ayahuasca pill.




Although i've heard good things about capsulating DMT and ingesting it with harmaline, smoking good D isn't too harsh, and IMO it's worth it. That blast into DMT-space is so surreal.

I will try the capsule technique soon though, and report back. Also going to try and snort it.


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Re: Is DMT salt blue? [Re: LiveByFreedom]
    #5387735 - 03/10/06 11:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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pip182 said:
I don't think you should smoke DMT salt, it would be harsh. I made mine to put into gel caps and mix with some harmaline for a quick ayahuasca pill.




Although i've heard good things about capsulating DMT and ingesting it with harmaline, smoking good D isn't too harsh, and IMO it's worth it. That blast into DMT-space is so surreal.

I will try the capsule technique soon though, and report back. Also going to try and snort it.




DMT is smoked in freebase form. The salt would have a higher boiling point, making it much, much harsher to smoke.


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Re: Is DMT salt blue? [Re: simtap]
    #5388005 - 03/11/06 01:04 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

be careful your head might explode mang.


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Re: Is DMT salt blue? [Re: Konnrade]
    #5388008 - 03/11/06 01:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Nope DMT salt is a fine white powder

It's fine white powder when you evaporate off the solvent. I'm talking about when you add acid to it and turn the freebase into salt.

There is a known bluish impurity in coleman's fuel that could come through this way.



I'm using toluene.

Is there anyone who has taken the production of DMT this step furthur? Everyone seems to be guessing at the moment. I mean the final step you would do for a mescaline extraction - adding the acid water and then evaporating off the water. That step isn't usually done with DMT as the salt formed isn't smokeble.

SWIM evaporated off some of the solvent and got white DMT so there's no impurities. Then he added Hydrochloric acid and evaporated of the water and got purplish blue crystals.

He got tired of having the house stink of toluene for weeks and wanted to try ayahuasca where using the salt would be fine.


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Re: Is DMT salt blue? [Re: simtap]
    #5388021 - 03/11/06 01:15 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Is DMT salt blue? [Re: simtap]
    #5388029 - 03/11/06 01:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Nope DMT salt is a fine white powder

It's fine white powder when you evaporate off the solvent. I'm talking about when you add acid to it and turn the freebase into salt.

There is a known bluish impurity in coleman's fuel that could come through this way.



I'm using toluene.

Is there anyone who has taken the production of DMT this step furthur? Everyone seems to be guessing at the moment. I mean the final step you would do for a mescaline extraction - adding the acid water and then evaporating off the water. That step isn't usually done with DMT as the salt formed isn't smokeble.

SWIM evaporated off some of the solvent and got white DMT so there's no impurities.  Then he added Hydrochloric acid and evaporated of the water and got purplish blue crystals.

He got tired of having the house stink of toluene for weeks and wanted to try ayahuasca where using the salt would be fine.




I can't answer your question, but toluene shouldn't be evaporated inside of a building unless it's under a fume hood or an exhaust fan (such as an oven hood). Those fumes are not good for you :dying:


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Re: Is DMT salt blue? [Re: simtap]
    #5388371 - 03/11/06 06:24 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Is there anyone who has taken the production of DMT this step furthur? Everyone seems to be guessing at the moment. I mean the final step you would do for a mescaline extraction - adding the acid water and then evaporating off the water. That step isn't usually done with DMT as the salt formed isn't smokeble.

SWIM evaporated off some of the solvent and got white DMT so there's no impurities.  Then he added Hydrochloric acid and evaporated of the water and got purplish blue crystals.

He got tired of having the house stink of toluene for weeks and wanted to try ayahuasca where using the salt would be fine.




I have succesfully made DMT salt, I mixed my DMT freebase into an alcohol solution and added a couple drops of phosphoric acid and it immediately turned into a white powder and fell to the bottom where it could be easily collected. I then put this over a coffee filter on a glass and ran some more alcohol over it to clean it up, evaporated what was left and ended up with a very fine fluffy white dmt powder.

I have no clue why it would turn blue, I have never used hydrochloric acid or toulene myself, if you clean it real good over a coffee filter it will get rid of most of the impurities and if its still blue after that then hell, eat it, it probobly wont kill ya  :crazy2:. But I really couldn't tell ya man.


BTW- you need a much higher dosage of oral DMT than smoked, i'm talking  at least 100mgs, 300mgs seems to be standard for a hard trip. But dmt is a very weird substance, sometimes a little bit will knock you into another dimension and sometimes a high dose wont do a damn thing.

PS. This was all in a dream I had.


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