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Invisibledjfrog
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for perf reasons..
    #538529 - 02/02/02 01:16 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Can we replace the script generated list of forums that shows up for users with all the post counts, and replace it with a static html page? We could do this for just a couple weeks to see how much of a difference it makes in the boards perf, and than people can say which they prefer

The reasons are:
1) Its slow. You can't go to forums and then select a forum. You have to go to forums, then wait, then select a forum. A static html page would load quite a bit faster.
2) It eats up processing power, slowing the rest of the system. I don't think this is as helpful a use of the board's processing resources, but because so many people view the list of forums all the time, it is a large hit on those same resources.


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Re: for perf reasons.. [Re: djfrog]
    #538540 - 02/02/02 01:25 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

That's a good idea. I've got broadband at home and it's slow to load, at work we've got an ISDN line and it's slow, and at school we've got a T1 (pretty sure,but not possitive) and it's slow. Either way though the boards are still worth the wait...
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Invisibledjfrog
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Re: for perf reasons.. [Re: BD_Man]
    #538543 - 02/02/02 01:30 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

network speed isn't the issue, clearly as the content loads quickly once its generated. Its a resource hog because everytime it generates, it has to make queries to every forum on the BB, and your user account. The query will spread most of the BB's storage, which is never a cheap, quick thing to do.


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Re: for perf reasons.. [Re: djfrog]
    #539014 - 02/03/02 04:19 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I support this. Maybe could we have the decision in our account to disable this?


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Re: for perf reasons.. [Re: djfrog]
    #539198 - 02/03/02 12:46 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

A static HTML page could be cached by webcaches such as squid and further reduce the load (and overall bandwidth use) on the Shroomery server. This is an excellent idea.


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Invisibledjfrog
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Re: for perf reasons.. [Re: juubou]
    #539217 - 02/03/02 01:30 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I talked to 3D and they don't want to do this, he's under the impression that a new server will solve the problem, and that the static html would generate a lot of complaint emails.

If anyone has some http space available, they could copy the script generated html and post it there. Maybe clean out the post counts, and definately add an expiration time of at least a few days. Then post the link in OTD or something.

Its unfortunate that we can't get this to happen on the board. The management is much more willing to go through the hassle of raising a couple thousand dollars from us instead of taking simple steps to speed up the board. I appreciate the work they do, but honestly have doubts about some decisions.

The speedup of the new server would maybe be 4x or 10x difference, but the difference between running such a script and sending straight html is more on the level of 100x or 1000x, depending on the script.


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Re: for perf reasons.. [Re: djfrog]
    #539274 - 02/03/02 02:26 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Trust me, on the new server the main index page will load just as fast as any other page.


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Re: for perf reasons.. [Re: 3DSHROOM]
    #546138 - 02/09/02 11:32 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

i hope so


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Re: for perf reasons.. [Re: djfrog]
    #547354 - 02/11/02 03:06 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

>If anyone has some http space available, they could copy
>the script generated html and post it there. Maybe clean out
>the post counts, and definately add an expiration time of at
>least a few days. Then post the link in OTD or something.

You can allways save the page as html on your computer and open it from there.


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Re: for perf reasons.. [Re: Anno]
    #547781 - 02/11/02 01:00 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

There's also a handy jump to button at the bottom of almost every page on the boards. I like to use the Main Index, the first time to see which forums have new posts and then click on one from there and use the Jump To for the rest.


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Re: for perf reasons.. [Re: Anno]
    #549441 - 02/12/02 11:30 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Well, using my own copy would help some.  But then 99% of the board would still be using the slow copy, which I think sucks up enough resources to slow everything else down.

But it will all be fixed when we get a new server. :wink:


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Re: for perf reasons.. [Re: djfrog]
    #549485 - 02/13/02 12:36 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

djfrog: cool avitar


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Invisibledjfrog
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Re: for perf reasons.. [Re: windex]
    #570024 - 03/05/02 12:15 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

Static HTML - Copy and paste for great justice!


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Re: for perf reasons.. [Re: djfrog]
    #570162 - 03/05/02 03:14 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

I trust 3D's judgement, I know little in these matters and you don't have to convince me since I will take 3D's judgement on things like this...

Sorry Frog, soon we will have the new server, it better run like a little bitch...

We try to make the best decisions we can, I'm sorry that you feel some of them have been bad, but we are learning and soon we will finally own our own server and things will look up from there :smile:


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