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OneMoreRobot3021


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Work Ethic
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Do you have one?
See, I guess after all the first few times I took mushrooms and acid I finally understood that life would work itself out. That everything was always all good, the way it was supposed to be.
I got comfortable. And I got lazy. I became the standard lazy stoner. Then I graduated, I somehow managed to barely do anything and come away from a top notch university with a very pretty degree and I was thrust out into the world to find my way.
And over the last six-eight months the one thing I have learned is that a work ethic is one of the most important things you'll ever learn to develop in your whole life. It's not a matter of loving your job, though that's always an added bonus, it's a matter of DOING your job. You are being paid money, so you do your job, and that's that. That is the game, and you must play the game, and you can even learn to have fun with the game, to navigate it with your mind and your body and take advantage of it to the fullest.
See, the universe IS always going to work out the way it should. But your personal action, and your ability to will yourself into that action, can enable you to meet the universe halfway and give it a nudge, a nudge of Will, and of Self, and with the proper work ethic you can really grind yourself to a point of success in this life.
And I'm realizing more than ever that I want success. I want to accomplish things in my life (notably creative endeavours) so that I can become successful. And I don't want the money just because I want to sit on it and live lavishly. I want to have a wife, and I want to have children, and I want to provide for them and give them the best life that I can.
That's why I'm learning to enjoy the daily grind. You have to learn to simply get satisfaction from working, or you'll never be happy. At least, that's the way I feel.
/end of ramblerant
-------------------- Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake. -Erik Davis
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goobler
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yea, I have more than one
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OneMoreRobot3021


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Re: Work Ethic [Re: goobler]
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Did you buy one at a vendor or at the AH?
wait...this is...Shroomery
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Some days my work ethic is stronger than others. I find if I'm in an environment where other people do their jobs, I do mine. If I'm the only one doing anything, I'll slack off as much as possible, and do enough work to still look busy, and get paid.
Fridays I'm always lazy. I mean, I get done what I need to get done, but I just look forward to 5pm when I can go home for a few days and not worry about work.
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Liz]
#5385166 - 03/10/06 11:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I work everyday
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Darkcloud
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Are you in your early to mid 20's?
Because I am, and I'm just now starting to be hit with the exact same feelings. I think what they call it is "growing up". It's around this age region that we start to mature a little more and become more "realistic". Or "chained down". Whichever way you want to look at it since it can go both ways.
But anyways...like I said, I'm feeling the same thing right now and I didn't feel it before. So I do feel ya on how important work ethic can be.
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OneMoreRobot3021 said: Did you buy one at a vendor or at the AH?
wait...this is...Shroomery
Haha.
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Darkcloud]
#5385203 - 03/10/06 11:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm twenty-two, and far too rapidly approaching twenty three. Time to seize the day.
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You'll rue the day you seize the day!
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Microcosmatrix
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Quote:
See, the universe IS always going to work out the way it should. But your personal action, and your ability to will yourself into that action, can enable you to meet the universe halfway and give it a nudge, a nudge of Will, and of Self, and with the proper work ethic you can really grind yourself to a point of success in this life.
Just pay attention to who you're working for. Personally I would rather work for myself, but I have been known to work for those like myself from time to time.
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And I'm realizing more than ever that I want success. I want to accomplish things in my life (notably creative endeavours) so that I can become successful. And I don't want the money just because I want to sit on it and live lavishly. I want to have a wife, and I want to have children, and I want to provide for them and give them the best life that I can.
Well, that's great man, go for it and get it!
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That's why I'm learning to enjoy the daily grind. You have to learn to simply get satisfaction from working, or you'll never be happy. At least, that's the way I feel.
Forget about grinding through life, do the quests!!
... it's a more rewarding way to lvl up IMO
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A month or two ago I was in absolute awe of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle maintenence. Most impressing and interesting was when the author realized that his pursuit of an utltimate truth and singularity was actually recognized several times cross culturaly under entirely different skeletal forms. What personally touched and moved me was realizing these very qualities have been echoed to me since the age of six by my father.
True quality is the unabriged personal pursuit of excellence in all faucets of life.
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Noetical]
#5385273 - 03/10/06 11:52 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I found excellence in my bathroom faucet once. It was all gunky and black.
-------------------- Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake. -Erik Davis
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Yarry
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Yea id say i have a damn good work ethic.
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Microcosmatrix
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Yarry]
#5385277 - 03/10/06 11:54 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I love working at something that the payoff remains visible the whole time
I hate those "dissapearing payouts"
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Kerr
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I have good work ethic when I do work, but I see it differently, I work to live and not live to work, so many people get this idea that working 40hrs a week is the way its supposed to be. I work as little as possible, enough to afford the lifestyle I have chosen, I tell people that I am already half-retired. I see so many people stuck in some job, grinding all week long and then what, you get 2 days to relax at the end of that. I dont like the idea of working till Im 60 and then getting some time off, Id rather do things when I am young and fit and full of energy. "and thats why I say fuck it"
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Kerr]
#5385298 - 03/10/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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RyanKerr said: I have good work ethic when I do work, but I see it differently, I work to live and not live to work, so many people get this idea that working 40hrs a week is the way its supposed to be. I work as little as possible, enough to afford the lifestyle I have chosen, I tell people that I am already half-retired. I see so many people stuck in some job, grinding all week long and then what, you get 2 days to relax at the end of that. I dont like the idea of working till Im 60 and then getting some time off, Id rather do things when I am young and fit and full of energy. "and thats why I say fuck it"
yes, that 2 days off for the slaves to rest is bullshit. My weekends are currently 4 days.
Therefore I get to use over half of my time for quality living!
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Noetical
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The fro is mos definatly excellent. I imagine it must be difficult finding bits of yer pillowy beibi in the sink.
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Kerr
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Microcosmatrix said: yes, that 2 days off for the slaves to rest is bullshit. My weekends are currently 4 days.
Therefore I get to use over half of my time for quality living!
Long live time off and taking it easy
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Krishna
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i have a good work ethic, for the most part, but also have realized that when writing code, it is pointless to sit for 8 hours straight - your brain ends up turning to mush and the last 4 hours aren't productive. rather, to work for an hour, then take a 15 minute break ( ), then work for an hour, then play guitar for 10 minutes, then work, etc - this pattern allows me to be productive all day long
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My work ethic goes up drastically when I stop smoking pot for extended periods of time - like now.
Unfortunately, I'm also a much meaner motherfucker when I don't smoke pot. Every up has it's down, I suppose.
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budsicle
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you guys are fookin crazy, im 21, retired from wage slavery and my lifestyle consists of backpack, tent and sleeping bag. ive got enuff savings to last me for many years if im living freelancer like this and meanwhile i can figure out healthier and more intriguing ways to stay alive than that of good working class citizenship. fuck that.
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Kerr
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: budsicle]
#5385385 - 03/10/06 12:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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budsicle said: you guys are fookin crazy, im 21, retired from wage slavery and my lifestyle consists of backpack, tent and sleeping bag. ive got enuff savings to last me for many years if im living freelancer like this and meanwhile i can figure out healthier and more intriguing ways to stay alive than that of good working class citizenship. fuck that.
Sounds like you have things figured out
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: budsicle]
#5385408 - 03/10/06 12:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, if you're ever around, stop by and hit a couple whippets with us.
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budsicle
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Kerr]
#5385444 - 03/10/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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RyanKerr said: Sounds like you have things figured out
hey hey! yes indeed for now it seems so but it took a long trip to get here. uve gots nice attitude too. .
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PinballWizard
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OneMoreRobot3021 said: That's why I'm learning to enjoy the daily grind. You have to learn to simply get satisfaction from working, or you'll never be happy. At least, that's the way I feel. /end of ramblerant
That sounds like something straight out of 1984.
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It's hard to motivate myself to find work, but once I have a job, I take it seriously. I always show up on time and do what's expected of me.
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: budsicle]
#5385457 - 03/10/06 12:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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The longer the trip, the better the sweetness
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Quote:
PinballWizard said:
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OneMoreRobot3021 said: That's why I'm learning to enjoy the daily grind. You have to learn to simply get satisfaction from working, or you'll never be happy. At least, that's the way I feel. /end of ramblerant
That sounds like something straight out of 1984.
Yeah, the lowly Jew finds his place in the world. it's on page 174
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My work ethic...
Ever hear somebody say "I can't be replaced?" They can't get a promotion either. Your job is to make your boss look good. When your boss moves up, so do you.
Things are going to fuck up. When they do, damage control is your new job. Not finger pointing.
Success is only half of it, the other half is who and how you share your success. (which no employer has the right to dictate) If you got paid enough to be comfortable, would you work as hard or would your new focus become spending what you've worked for? Most will never move up for that reason.
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Quote:
OneMoreRobot3021 said: Do you have one?
Fuck no.
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OneMoreRobot3021 said: See, the universe IS always going to work out the way it should.
Hehe...read "Candide" by Voltaire.
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Quote:
RandalFlagg said:
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OneMoreRobot3021 said: See, the universe IS always going to work out the way it should.
Hehe...read "Candide" by Voltaire.
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My work ethic is pretty basic. Do my job efficiently, with excellence. Treat people how I want to be treated. The rest just seems to fall into place.
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Shroomism]
#5385920 - 03/10/06 02:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: The rest just seems to fall into place.
You mean like when you got fired and replaced by someone else?
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Shroomism
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Yeah, that was just bullshit. But it led to new opportunities.
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: budsicle]
#5386923 - 03/10/06 06:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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budsicle writes:
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you guys are fookin crazy, im 21, retired from wage slavery and my lifestyle consists of backpack, tent and sleeping bag. ive got enuff savings to last me for many years if im living freelancer like this and meanwhile i can figure out healthier and more intriguing ways to stay alive than that of good working class citizenship. fuck that.
Glad to hear you've decided to stop suckling off the public teat (i.e. scamming welfare). Unless your savings came from unspent welfare checks, in which case I retract my congratulations.
Phred
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Phred]
#5386929 - 03/10/06 06:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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The entire concept of money is a scam to begin with
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Silversoul
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Quote:
Microcosmatrix said: The entire concept of money is a scam to begin with
Explain
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lukeboots
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Yeah... I'm a pretty big fan of money, even though it's hard to come by. It can be exchanged for goods and services.
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Microcosmatrix
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Money by itself means nothing..self explanatory. draw your own conclusions.
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Silversoul
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Microcosmatrix said: Money by itself means nothing..self explanatory. draw your own conclusions.
My own conclusion is that you don't know what you're talking about. Money is a more efficient means of exchange than direct barter.
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: lukeboots]
#5386951 - 03/10/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Money's purpose is to prevent access to goods and services.
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Silversoul
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Microcosmatrix said: Money's purpose is to prevent access to goods and services.
False
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because you said so right?
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Silversoul
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Microcosmatrix said: because you said so right?
No. Because it's false.
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Money serves to interrupt the flow of goods and services
if you have money, of course, you wont notice
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Microcosmatrix said: Money serves to interrupt the flow of goods and services
if you have money, of course, you wont notice
No, lack of work serves to interrupt the flow of goods and services. Now get a job, hippy!
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How would you ever get laid without money? 
Or get someone to make you a fine dish of food?
Or buy a nice new coat from someone?
Short answer: You probably wouldn't, because in all likelihood, you'd have nothing they'd want.
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nudge nudge snicker snicker
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: lukeboots]
#5386979 - 03/10/06 06:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Money is just a bunch of green pieces of paper. Everything else would still exist even if money didn't.
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lukeboots
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Eat all your money. Show me how useless it is.
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: lukeboots]
#5386982 - 03/10/06 06:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's an illusion. We need to get rid of all of it or else it won't work.
Give me yours to eat too.
Put your money where your mouth is
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PinballWizard
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That was pretty clever.
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Silversoul
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Microcosmatrix said: Money is just a bunch of green pieces of paper. Everything else would still exist even if money didn't.
And yet you'd still be a broke ass bum who doesn't want to work.
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No way man, I wanna see you go first. Then I'll see the true power of not believing in cold hard cash!
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: lukeboots]
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Let me ask you one question Is your money that good Will it buy you forgiveness Do you think that it could I think you will find When your death takes its toll All the money you made Will never buy back your soul
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lukeboots
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How about you actually make some money, and realize that those green pieces of paper can't rob you of your soul. Only Captain Planet can do that.
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Microcosmatrix
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: lukeboots]
#5387024 - 03/10/06 07:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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You assume incorrectly that I don't work
I work, I just don't fucking worship it like it's the fucking end all to everything.
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lukeboots
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Neither do I.
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Microcosmatrix
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: lukeboots]
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We'd still be better off without money.
meaning NO-ONE has any anymore. Poof...gone!
You won't miss it
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Silversoul
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What would you do without money?
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Microcosmatrix
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Live unencumbered by it?
Fix you lunch?
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Silversoul
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Would you fix everyone lunch for free?
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No, I'd just fix everyone lunch
"free" implies that money would still exist
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No, free implies that there is a system of trade, regardless of what it is.
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What if I fixed you up with a broken jaw?
Would the doctor fix you without any sort of reward?
I think no money would imply that people's goodwill and trade skills would dominate, leading to lots and lots of robberies and people with nothing. I, for one, would only help hot bitches.
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Redstorm]
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Money is the cornerstone of the "system"
A lack of money inherently includes a lack of "systems" too
No system needed, just people having lunch everywhere
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That's bullshit. People are not entitled to anything I produce. If they want something of mine, they can give me something in return. That's how systems of economy work.
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Try it and see!
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You people can't see beyond money because that is all you've ever known.
Your "visions" of gloom without money are based on fear, so we cannot totally effectively communicate about this.
I know one thing. Something has got to give.
We might as well dump the whole stinking system and start over in the trees rather than become extinct by the actions of the governments that print your beloved money.
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No seriously. How would you fix a broken body part?
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Same way it's done now.
Money just sits there doing nothing, it doesn't do anything but move from hand to hand.
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I just happen to like capitalism, that's all.
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What would you try to give a doctor in return for his valiant and well-schooled efforts? I'm seriously curious. You talk like you have this all figured out.
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it's just another fucking game dude, why can't you see that? you're being played for a fool if you believe in money.
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Why can't you just play the game?
Life is a game, and we all have to play. So, I do. and I make the best of it.
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jonnywax said: What would you try to give a doctor in return for his valiant and well-schooled efforts? I'm seriously curious. You talk like you have this all figured out.
He would not feel the need to be compensated because everything is "free" for him too
You have to look beyond everything you have ever been taught to see this. I know that's a rather tall order, but it's important if you wanna get it.
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I'm with you on a few points, but try and live in this world without playing one of the games. for the most part it just doesn't work
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What is the alternative to the "game". People have been playing this game for thousands of years because it is the most efficient, easy way to make transactions between consenting parties.
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I guess I just really don't have the same idealistic vision of people and their good-will as you. I know there are selfish people out there. What makes you think someone that gets everything for free their whole life would want to give back to others? That's like rich kids... only, it's the complete opposite of how rich kids really are.
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It has nothing to do with morality and idealism. Money (and the barter system) is the best way to go about things.
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Smoker For Peace said: I'm with you on a few points, but try and live in this world without playing one of the games. for the most part it just doesn't work
You're correct, it doesn't work now. But I can see where one day the entire system will have to be dumped or else we will become extinct.
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Well, the way Micro explained it, it sounds like he just assumes that if everything is free, there'd be some sort of world peace or something. It's just strictly impossible.
And I agree with you Redstorm. In fact, I really wouldn't question you even if I didn't. I think you know a bit more about this than me.
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You're correct, it doesn't work now. But I can see where one day the entire system will have to be dumped or else we will become extinct.
Not true. You are just making things up to further what you believe.
We have been more or less using the same system for thousands upon thousands of years, and we haven't gone extinct.
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Don't you think it's theoretically possible for humanity to re-invent our living conditions?
We may as well go for it, otherwise we're fucked anyhow.
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Humanity doesn't all share the same living conditions.. so.. uh, no? Why would the well-off want to re-invent themselves?
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I'm with ya. It's ignorance that born us (says the 12 links of dependent origination in buddhism and many other spiritual teachings) and it's ignorance that will kill us. makes the joke even funnier
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I don't understand how you think valued trade has lessened the human race. Contrary to that, it has pretty much spawned the innovation and progress we have seen since the dawn of man.
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You're correct, it doesn't work now. But I can see where one day the entire system will have to be dumped or else we will become extinct.
Not true. You are just making things up to further what you believe.
We have been more or less using the same system for thousands upon thousands of years, and we haven't gone extinct.
And we have not had the technology to destroy the planet until the last 50 years or so.
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You're correct, it doesn't work now. But I can see where one day the entire system will have to be dumped or else we will become extinct.
Not true. You are just making things up to further what you believe.
We have been more or less using the same system for thousands upon thousands of years, and we haven't gone extinct.
And we have not had the technology to destroy the planet until the last 50 years or so.
And this has nothing to do with the means of exchanging goods. The Soviet Union provided had an economy much like you advocate, yet they were in the middle of developing the weapons you speak of.
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but then again the technology to save the planet (LSD) came into existence around the same time should be an interesting rest of existnece
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Smoker For Peace said: I'm with ya. It's ignorance that born us (says the 12 links of dependent origination in buddhism and many other spiritual teachings) and it's ignorance that will kill us. makes the joke even funnier
I wonder if there is a shred of a chance that we could actually save ourselves as a whole human race?
Sometimes it feels like we are pre-doomed. Especially when I hear shit like I have heard in this thread.
Maybe that's the joke, maybe that's why it's funny.
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I wonder if there is a shred of a chance that we could actually save ourselves as a whole human race?
Sometimes it feels like we are pre-doomed. Especially when I hear shit like I have heard in this thread.
You spout all sorts of nonsense as if you know what you're talking about. What is stopping you from joining one of the shared ownership communities all over the US? I think it's b/c you like luxury. With capitalism, comes luxury.
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Actually, when I read shit like what you've been saying throughout this whole thread, I feel somewhat doomed too.
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I hope that this existence plays out for a long time so that many generations will get to experience it long after we're gone.
but that kind of thinking doesn't do me any good, all I can do is be here now and love the ones around me (which is getting a little easier to do day by day)
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Yeah, we need Chuck Norris to save us, now I know that he could do it.
Till then I'm going to just keep posting
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Anyone as badass as Chuck Norris would definitely be a Randian free-market capitalist.
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Of course, he's a Capatalist imagehead, he saves real Americans on T.V. every day.
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I'm looking to Nov 2008 for the massive parties to re-establish themselves in a light of pure peace
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He even has a black sidekick!
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reminds me of geordi. Very, very polite
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Thank god this has settled down.
onemorerobot, how you doin' on that work ethic shit?
Have you settled into your "destiny"? 
It's much better to keep 'em blind than in chains, everyone always complains that chains are too tight, inconveniencing the masters.
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Yeah, thank god it settled down, and then you had to go and sound like a retard again.
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HAHAHA, the predicted response
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What did you expect?
Oh Micro, your infinite wisdom is so awesome, and you're right! Let's free those the opressed every-man of America! You know, the ones that are finally finding HAPPINESS in their lives.
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I mean, I like your avatar and everything. I think you're cool. please don't be hostile. It's gonna all work out in spite of us.
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Do you care to back any of your "ideas" up with any sort of evidence that shows that it ever has (or ever will) work instead of blurting out the typical hippy garbage? You have little to no knowledge of politics or history and it shows.
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Redstorm]
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No.
"Back up" is for pigs
I'll let you be the judge
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alright, that was funny.
It will all work out, I agree. but we have to help it work out, ya dig?
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Of course you don't, since you have no fucking clue what you're even talking about. Fucking typical.
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I agree totally. What can I do to help?
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You like the written word. You like debates.
You want me to "prove" something that has not happened yet has worked in the past. How?
"Proof" is for pigs too
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Be a productive member of society.
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Be a productive member of society.
hahaha na na na damn
that is not true
that is the hymn of slavery
Produce for one's self, then give freely
Fuck "society"
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Ok, be counter-productive. Your choice, but you said you wanted to help. 
It really irks me when people think they're smarter than the whole society they're a part of. Advances in medical science, technology, mass production, space & deep sea exploration, all of this - impossible without society working as a whole. If everyone just finds their place, we can continue making progress.
You can call me a slave all you want, but I just think you're being highly counter-productive to the greater good.
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All of those advances have had dire consequences which have been hidden from view.
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Everything has it's price. I wouldn't trade what we have for anything. I'm typing on the internet, obviously one of the greatest products of technology. I'm going to get on a plane next week - a product of globalization & mass production.
If you want to live in a box and have no consequences, it's your choice.
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Ah well, hippies can't afford computers anyhow. How am I gonna get any like-minded convo about saving the world going on the damned internet anyhoo?
jerkin' the chain...
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I may be going to hell in a bucket, but at least I'm enjoying the ride.
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Thanks for talking. I enjoyed it.
Here, take this armor
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Working hard to bring you closer to your big job interview with Allah
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I personaly try to aproach every day in the most positive manner I try to find good in everything I do even tho I may not like doing it - Its my JOB and if at all posible I try to do the best I can with what I can (do things right or dont do them at all) ading to that most the time when I see people do things half-ass they ususaly have to do them again so why not do it right the first time.
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DriAno said: I personaly try to aproach every day in the most positive manner I try to find good in everything I do even tho I may not like doing it - Its my JOB and if at all posible I try to do the best I can with what I can (do things right or dont do them at all) ading to that most the time when I see people do things half-ass they ususaly have to do them again so why not do it right the first time.
Just be careful who you work for. When you work for another's goals they become your own.
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tnks ill keep that in mind.
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: lukeboots]
#5387793 - 03/10/06 11:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sorry to bump this, but this is what this thread boils down to

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jonnywax said: If everyone just finds their place, we can continue making progress
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Kerr]
#5388010 - 03/11/06 01:08 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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give me SLACK...or kill me
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RandalFlagg
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Paradigm said: Money is a more efficient means of exchange than direct barter.
For some strange reason "Wookies" tend to believe otherwise.
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Microcosmatrix said: You people can't see beyond money because that is all you've ever known.
Your "visions" of gloom without money are based on fear, so we cannot totally effectively communicate about this.
I know one thing. Something has got to give.
We might as well dump the whole stinking system and start over in the trees rather than become extinct by the actions of the governments that print your beloved money.
When it comes to political and economic theory you are absolutely clueless.
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hey blackie
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: goobler]
#5388227 - 03/11/06 04:59 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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goobler said: hey blackie
Hey man. I've become a Shroomery philanthropist just like you. I sent some money to somebody. Woot!
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goobler
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who?
and I always get sex...did you get sex?
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: goobler]
#5388234 - 03/11/06 05:06 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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goobler said: who?
and I always get sex...did you get sex?
I sent money to Gillette to help her pay for her car repair bill.
I doubt you wanted sex when you got that bean bag thing for 40oz.'s apartment.
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goobler
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oh how little you know
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RandalFlagg said:
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Paradigm said: Money is a more efficient means of exchange than direct barter.
For some strange reason "Wookies" tend to believe otherwise.
well, when you think about what is often exchanged on the lot, direct barter makes sense from a black-market perspective - there is no money whose whereabouts need explanation to the tax-man, and everybody gets what they need. for larger scale economies, though, money is definitely more efficient than direct barter (although i'd argue that have a community 'membership' that would entitle you to a fair share of the produce of that community would be even more efficient)
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Krishna]
#5388919 - 03/11/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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The problem with the barter system is what you have may not be what someone else wants who has what you need. It used to work in small communities where each person needed each other's specialized goods and services. That isn't the case today, where technology (especially the internet) makes a community a lot less concrete of a idea.
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When it comes to hired work, I have a very strong work ethic. I spent a lot of time around my grandfather, who is like a second father to me. He was born in 1912, and all his life had a fairly low income. Growing up in the depression, he got very used to working very hard. He also had a very strong set of morals. As a result, he beleived very strongly that unless you worked very hard and honestly, you weren't really working at all. In his line of work, this was very beneficial to him (he was a mechanic and a machinist. Two jobs, both very suited to his work ethic). He always told me about how he tried to work hard and honestly, and about how he was always looking for ways to improve the way that he worked or how the machines worked.
Naturally, since I looked up to him, I adopted (to an extent) the same attitude. When I'm on the clock, I feel very guilty unless I'm working hard and working efficiently. I think the only right thing to do is to work hard and to try and work in the most effective way possible. So much so that I feel bad if I'm doing anything otherwise, as if I don't deserve the job if I don't work as well as that. I'm like that even when doing unpleasant work for minimum wage.
Come to think of it, that anecdote would be a great thing to mention during a job interview, if I get the chance.
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