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Guantanamo Bay and America's Nazi style concentration camps
    #5384466 - 03/10/06 05:28 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I watched a program last night about 3 inoccent Britains who tried to travel to Kabul to get married.

On the way, they were told they would be driven there but the driver took them to a (so called) division of the Taliban.

The American's rounded up everybody that was there and took them to Guantanamo Bay.

Taliban or not - I was absolutely appalled at what happened there.

They were simply abusing the people. They had no idea as to who these people were or what they had done - yet everybody was told over and over that they were terrorists in connection with Bin Laden.

The English people were told that they had evidence they were at Taliban rallies even though they could prove they were in Britain at the time. They were told that their friends had grassed them up as alquaida members.

They were kept in cages not even as big as the cages in dog homes in Britain. They were not aloud to talk, stand up or even touch the side of the cage or a load of Americans with shields and batons would be called.

This special group would come down marching in formation and shouting. They would then beat the hell out of anybody that wasn't abiding to the 'rules'.


There was alot more going on than just this - psychological methods of destroying these people. Forcefeeding of people on hunger strikes. They were not aloud to look the Americans in the eye or they were told they would be shot.


In my view these so called 'extremist groups' are going to become far more extreme if this is how we are going to treat people.

What would you do if you had been roped in and told you was a Taliban when you wasn't and having been tortured and having your life constantly in threat - if this happened to me then I would want the Americans dead too.


Out of the hundreds of people imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay alone - nobody has ever been charged!

Even if one person there was a henchman of Bin Laden he wouldn't tell anybody under those conditions - it would be assumed certain death!

This is pointless torture of mankind - it makes me sick to think all these people actually believe its acceptable to set up what is basically a Nazi style concentration camp.


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Re: Guantanamo Bay and America's Nazi style concentration camps [Re: Ego Death]
    #5384487 - 03/10/06 05:48 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I have mixed feelings towards GBay, so I will play the advocate for a bit...

What would you do with a person that when asked, "If I let you go, what are you going to do?" replies "I will do everything in my power to kill you."

... it is easy to say GBay should be shut down when we think of the prisoners there as honest, hard working, people... unfortunately, most of the are not. These people have one goal, and one goal only... to kill you, your family, and your loved ones. I am all for a better solution... anything come to mind?


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Re: Guantanamo Bay and America's Nazi style concentration camps [Re: Seuss]
    #5384505 - 03/10/06 06:15 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"These people have one goal, and one goal only... to kill you, your family, and your loved ones"

Can your prove that? I think this is the problem, none of these people were offered a trial. There is no *evidence* that they are a threat.


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Re: Guantanamo Bay and America's Nazi style concentration camps [Re: Ego Death]
    #5384532 - 03/10/06 06:39 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

With all the suicide attempts and hunger strikes at Gitmo, I suspect something fishy is going on there


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Re: Guantanamo Bay and America's Nazi style concentration camps [Re: Basilides]
    #5384541 - 03/10/06 06:49 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Is this one of them?




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Re: Guantanamo Bay and America's Nazi style concentration camps [Re: Basilides]
    #5384547 - 03/10/06 06:54 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

> Can your prove that?

Not in the sense that I have personally spoken to one of them and that is what they told me. However, I have read the words of soldiers that were there and said as much. Reading blogs, such as Michael Yon's, shows a continual pattern of released terrorists going right back to their old job of killing for terror.

(I am trying to argue for something that I don't 100% believe in... though I do understand why it has to be... I have no problem with GBay itself, I only have a problem with the lack of due process for the prisoners there and the lack of non-military oversight.)


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Re: Guantanamo Bay and America's Nazi style concentration camps [Re: Seuss]
    #5384573 - 03/10/06 07:16 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Those muslim terrorists want you to convert to Islam and not just any Islam, they want you to become a follower of the Taliban. You have to give up drugs and alcohol to be a Taliban. The penalty for breaking this rule is death.


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Re: Guantanamo Bay and America's Nazi style concentration camps [Re: Rogues_Pierre]
    #5384605 - 03/10/06 07:36 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

fuck the taliban n fuck osama


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Re: Guantanamo Bay and America's Nazi style concentration camps [Re: plataloco]
    #5384706 - 03/10/06 08:43 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Please no flaming, even if it is against terrorists. We are here to debate, not toss names about.


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Re: Guantanamo Bay and America's Nazi style concentration camps [Re: J4S0N]
    #5386095 - 03/10/06 03:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

J4S0N said:
"These people have one goal, and one goal only... to kill you, your family, and your loved ones"

Can your prove that? I think this is the problem, none of these people were offered a trial. There is no *evidence* that they are a threat.




Can you disprove that? This is one of the few cases where I think a double standard is needed. Without assuming some sort of threat we put a lot of people at risk. Now, in regards to treatment of prisoners, I guess I cant really say I agree or disagree with what currently goes on since I have not witnessed it first hand. That is an issue where I would physically have to see the treatment to go on to make a decision. If they are treating people that bad as a whole, I would probably disagree with it. But, since none of us (correct me if I am wrong) have worked at GBay or visited there we cant assume that is how every single person is treated.


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Re: Guantanamo Bay and America's Nazi style concentration camps [Re: Seuss]
    #5402914 - 03/15/06 11:06 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

If somebody did that to you because of the way you looked - you would want to kill them too.

They didn't know who they were sending off to that camp thats why the guys in the documentary got sent there too!


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Re: Guantanamo Bay and America's Nazi style concentration camps [Re: plataloco]
    #5402926 - 03/15/06 11:09 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah nice one brain box.


Mark my words - it won't be long until more and more terrorist groups appear, even WHITE groups.

Thats where America is headed with its zero tolerance of anybody elses thoughts or philosophies.


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Re: Guantanamo Bay and America's Nazi style concentration camps [Re: plataloco]
    #5402931 - 03/15/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Are you aware that America started the Taliban?

Thats right. The CIA funded the Taliban to do their dirty work.


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Re: Guantanamo Bay and America's Nazi style concentration camps [Re: Ego Death]
    #5404359 - 03/15/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I hate to burst your bubble but everyone knows that.


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Re: Guantanamo Bay and America's Nazi style concentration camps [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5404415 - 03/15/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Very funny but rather inaccurate. For a fine understanding read "Charlie Wilson's War". We just helped, and not all that much, anybody who was willing to kill commies in Afghanistan. The rise of the Taliban was not at all directed or desired by the CIA. The were simply the most successful of the whackos to arise filling the vaccuum left by the Soviet retreat. We also helped quite a few other whackos kill commies there, any one of whom could have been better or worse than the Taliban.


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Re: Guantanamo Bay and America's Nazi style concentration camps [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5404433 - 03/15/06 04:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I hate to burst your bubble but everyone knows that.

i hate to burst your bubble but it's not true.


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Re: Guantanamo Bay and America's Nazi style concentration camps [Re: Ego Death]
    #5409597 - 03/16/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

danoEoboy said:
Yeah nice one brain box.


Mark my words - it won't be long until more and more terrorist groups appear, even WHITE groups.

Thats where America is headed with its zero tolerance of anybody elses thoughts or philosophies.




Yea, we call them Nazis and KKK bitches.

So whuts up with the gas chambers? Where are they? Shit, if you gonna call them Nazi, might as well find evidence of gas chambers, mass excutions, mass graves, CHYEA.


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Re: Guantanamo Bay and America's Nazi style concentration camps [Re: Ego Death]
    #5409860 - 03/16/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Sad to think that my tax dollars go to support a system that results in this sort of shit. Not sure what I can do about it though, and not sure if we are better off with GBAY or not. Its a quagmire.


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