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Psychedelic dilemma... no more!
#5383111 - 03/09/06 09:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, the time has come for me to make my decision regarding psychedelics. I am going to be entering the next phase of my monastic ordination (Soto Zen), and my teacher tells me that I have to give up all substances. The problem is I thought it would be an easy decision. Now here I am, questioning my path, and I dont know what I am going to do. On one hand, I value psychedelics, and I see them as great spiritual aids and I dont think I am ready to give them up. On the other hand, I feel that if I keep using them, I am deluding myself as to what the meaning of enlightenment really is. I had a trip planned for the middle of June (10 hits LSD), and now I am seriously doubting this all because of what my teacher said about them being a distraction on the path. But I feel that I can still get much use from them. Ahhh... I dont know what I am going to do. Any input?
Peace 
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: Quoiyaien]
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Well you could think of it sort of like this: Psychedelics are (not necessarily, but assumedly) enlightenment... until they are over.
A spiritual path is true enlightenment. Can psychedelics be incorporated into a spiritual path that leads quickly to ultimate realization? Maybe........
your teacher does not think so. Have you discusess this in depth with him/her?
The issue I see is you are using things TIED to this reality in order to get out of this reality. But when you meditate you are using your own brain to get out of this reality.
The latter is clearly the superior option. Psychedelics can puportedly train you for the bardo, for death........ and if you clean out karma and use psychedelis as described in the psychedelic experience to attain liberation and ego-rebirth then they may be a great spiritual gift.
But........... its up to you. You probably know more about Zen and psychedelis than most of the people that will be respnding to this thread.
I see it like when you take a drug, it automatically throws your mine into "focus mode" for a period of time...... (this period being the comeup) say so you have a 45 minute come up on LSD.... it would be like sitting in a deep meditation for 45 minutes of un-interrupted stream-flow of consciousness............. and would yield LSD results.
but if you take LSD it just thrusts you there whether you intend to be or not, and then you slowly readjust to normal frequencies of consciousness.
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: leery11]
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psychedelics are not necessary, give up thinking about them and it will be of great help.
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: Quoiyaien]
#5384403 - 03/10/06 04:06 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you are serious about your path, you should be willing to give up your attachment to everything. Enlightenment is'nt some point in the future, its always present. Give up your ideas of loss and gain and be present so your true nature can shine through unobscured. Listen to your teacher and become one with the way. Your teacher is a manifestation of your own wisdom, if you ignore his advice, you may miss a precious oppertunity. For Death is near, it comes without warning, soon this body will be a corpse. Consider carefully what is of real value and importance, and with wisdom, enter fully onto that path without a moments hesitation. This is my humble advice, i hope it meets you well.
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: Sinbad]
#5384423 - 03/10/06 04:26 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree much with the advice the others have given.
I think though, that a priori submission, transcendent Zen, the wacka-wacka of all-serious-diviniation, cannot expound your spiritual development as quickly as the growth that you will make in your daily life with the revealations that come to you when you listens, hear, feel, touch...the word and others.
In other words, giving up psychedelics for an indefinite amount will probably be a great thing for you, but the abstinence must come from your own gut. It will happen when you want it to happen. When you're ready you'll give it up, because you will no longer long to be there with the psychedelics.
Good luck, any way you go.
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: Quoiyaien]
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Quoiyaien said: Well, the time has come for me to make my decision regarding psychedelics. I am going to be entering the next phase of my monastic ordination (Soto Zen), and my teacher tells me that I have to give up all substances. The problem is I thought it would be an easy decision. Now here I am, questioning my path, and I dont know what I am going to do. On one hand, I value psychedelics, and I see them as great spiritual aids and I dont think I am ready to give them up. On the other hand, I feel that if I keep using them, I am deluding myself as to what the meaning of enlightenment really is. I had a trip planned for the middle of June (10 hits LSD), and now I am seriously doubting this all because of what my teacher said about them being a distraction on the path. But I feel that I can still get much use from them. Ahhh... I dont know what I am going to do. Any input?
Peace
I bet your teacher just wants him to do it "my way" .. Do what you feel is to do... and be honest about it..
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: Quoiyaien]
#5384444 - 03/10/06 04:57 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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As you well know, there is a difference between seeing the path and being the path. Drugs certainly help one see the path, and perhaps even to be the path for a bit. However, drugs can only do so much... their effects only last for so long. If this is the life you have chosen for yourself, then at some point you will have to give up the crutch (drugs) and learn to become the path on your own. Until then, you are standing on the shore, testing the water temperature with your toes.
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: Seuss]
#5384457 - 03/10/06 05:15 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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the power of psychedelic drugs, while mind blowing, pales in comparison with what you can achieve without them. the question is, are you ready to deal with this knowlege without the crutch of "oh, I'm on drugs."
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: Quoiyaien]
#5384484 - 03/10/06 05:43 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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You need to do what YOU WANT to do. Don't take this the wrong way, but I think this "path" is bullshit.
For one thing, don't forget that one of the most powerful psychedelics in the world, a.k.a DMT, is found in your own brain. Isn't it ironic that DMT has been associated with some deeper forms of meditation? Isn't it ironic that DMT is released during one of the most spiritual times of your life...a.k.a death? Any way you look at it, many religions dislike drugs...but yet a certain psychedelic is key to the "spiritual process"!
Again, it's just another section where "science" blows "religion" out of the water (checkout DMT research by Dr. Rick Strassman). I just feel that many of these "paths" lead people away from their own True Will...
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: Darkcloud]
#5384562 - 03/10/06 07:06 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's true, you can go spiritual by what your teacher teaches you, and still do psychedelics, it's only up to you. You could start by doing a break and seeing if it helps you, if not, continue with them. I'm not saying that you teacher talks bull shit, but what applies for one person, doesn't have to apply for the other. Just do whatever you feel to do to get there, cause you and only you can decide and know what works better for you.
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: Darkcloud]
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Darkcloud said: You need to do what YOU WANT to do. Don't take this the wrong way, but I think this "path" is bullshit.
For one thing, don't forget that one of the most powerful psychedelics in the world, a.k.a DMT, is found in your own brain. Isn't it ironic that DMT has been associated with some deeper forms of meditation? Isn't it ironic that DMT is released during one of the most spiritual times of your life...a.k.a death? Any way you look at it, many religions dislike drugs...but yet a certain psychedelic is key to the "spiritual process"!
Again, it's just another section where "science" blows "religion" out of the water (checkout DMT research by Dr. Rick Strassman). I just feel that many of these "paths" lead people away from their own True Will...
all psychedelics work because the brain is able to receive them. LSD messes with serotonin which the brain produces....
What you are overlooking is the method of activating DMT. EVERYONE can smoke it and become spiritual. This requirse no dedication, discipline, or self knowledge. Few can meditate and therefore have MASTERY of the DMT experience...........
once you can break through to that experience with meditation. You can go back any time you want, on your own, with no crutches or hinderances in your path.
But for DMT you have to procure and smoke it, always. It's an attachment.
furthermore if you vow to abstain from psychedelics as part of a spiritual initiation, it would not be a good idea to break these vows.
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: Quoiyaien]
#5384847 - 03/10/06 09:40 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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As Ram Dass puts it, the goal is to BE high, not GET high. Psychedelics will get you high, and so you will be high for a while, but then you will come down. If your teacher is able to let you find your original face, so to speak, then you will always be high, and won't need psychedelics.
As everyone else says, they can be extremely useful, but also carry the risk of attachment.
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: dblaney]
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Is your teacher attached to not taking psychadelics? Perhaps he would partake in them with you? Such would be a perfect oppurtunity for him to demonstrate to you why it is now time to move past them. As a teacher, he should sense that it is, as you put it, a dilemna, and he should assist you in giving you the understanding to come to the realization that he is promoting.
Eh? 
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: dblaney]
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Psychedellic teddybear put it away and go to camp. see you later ?
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fireworks_god said: Is your teacher attached to not taking psychadelics? Perhaps he would partake in them with you? Such would be a perfect oppurtunity for him to demonstrate to you why it is now time to move past them. As a teacher, he should sense that it is, as you put it, a dilemna, and he should assist you in giving you the understanding to come to the realization that he is promoting.
Eh? 
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Brilliant! I dont know if you are kidding or not, but that seems like a great idea. Tripping with a Zen master. That would be the coolest experience in the world. Although if I asked, he would probably laugh, and hit me on the head with a stick. He would then probably say "are you attached to my attachment?", then hit me again. All while laughing, going "whats the problem?" Damn Zen masters.
Kidding aside, I think I will bring this up at Dokusan. Thanks.
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: Quoiyaien]
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I wasn't entirely kidding. I would seem to doubt that your teacher would partake in the experience, but I do not know your teacher. The experience for a Zen master would probably be the same as every experience, but I haven't really studied Zen in depth. 
It reminds me of that classic tale wherein Ram Dass hands the master a ton of lsd, who consumes it, and it seems to have no effect. 
Personally, I would choose to forego the usage of psychadelics to pursue the oppurtunity you have before you. Perhaps it is proposed that psychadelics are a distraction because the experience of being within the now that results becomes identified with the psychadelic, or as a result of the psychadelic. Perhaps they are not necessary because, after following your path, you will naturally experience such a state as the result of your development and your dissolution into the present. 0
Ultimately, its your choice and your path (although delving deep into Zen will likely dissolve the illusion of said path ), but if I personally had the same oppurtunity right before me, I'd seize it. 
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Thanks for all the replies. I feel I should clarify the reason for abstaining. At this point, it is a matter of legality. I dont actually recieve the precepts for a few more years, so I could do them if I choose. But I have to take into consideration that that just reinforces the attachment to them. That, and they wont let me continue to the next phase unless I tell them I have cut out the illegal substances. And you try lying to a monk. I can still enjoy wine and other legally obtained indulgances in moderation. So I suppose salvia is still an option. So I think I have made up my mind. I have an opportunity to give away my stash this week, as I am going to visit with a bunch of friends who would love this stuff. I have 1000+ trips of various substances. Damn, I spent more time collecting psychedelics than I did using them. Oh well. Thanks for your help.
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: Quoiyaien]
#5961440 - 08/14/06 01:12 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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If I may add my 2 cents:
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Quoiyaien said: Just some support on this idea, although I have no specific sources, is about an LSD researcher who decided to give some acid to some monks. He gave it to a few, but when he gave it to a Zen master, the master did not feel anything. He gave him more, nothing. Even after injesting 900mcg (or something like that) he still said that it was no different than meditation. The researcher gave up psychedelic research, and took up contemplative life.
In my minds eye I'm picturing Zen monks in monastic environments with beatific expressions.
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Quoiyaien said: Here I am, on acid again... I really odnt know why I am posting her but this is where my mousebuttin seamed to lead me. Can you do to much acid? I only took one hit (incredibly potent), but I am referring to frequency of trips. Every 3 or 4 days now it seems, is this bad? Oh well, whatever, I totally forgot the main reason I came here, but ill try and wing it. Fuck it I dont remember..
Have you tried the meditation experiment on shrooms? Was there a difference?
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: Quoiyaien]
#5961831 - 08/14/06 04:38 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quoiyaien said: Well, the time has come for me to make my decision regarding psychedelics. I am going to be entering the next phase of my monastic ordination (Soto Zen), and my teacher tells me that I have to give up all substances. The problem is I thought it would be an easy decision. Now here I am, questioning my path, and I dont know what I am going to do. On one hand, I value psychedelics, and I see them as great spiritual aids and I dont think I am ready to give them up. On the other hand, I feel that if I keep using them, I am deluding myself as to what the meaning of enlightenment really is. I had a trip planned for the middle of June (10 hits LSD), and now I am seriously doubting this all because of what my teacher said about them being a distraction on the path. But I feel that I can still get much use from them. Ahhh... I dont know what I am going to do. Any input?
peace
What has aided through your past, up until now, and to the future?
You, or drugs?
I'd say, use them as a supplement, but not as a catalyst/trigger.. Aid yourself!  
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: Gomp]
#5962075 - 08/14/06 09:02 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you are now devoted to your path due to the influence of psychedelics, then consider whether you will remain motivated in the future without them. Ideally a monastic decision with vows and so on is supposed to be permanent, right? Where did the compulsion to be monastic come from?
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: Quoiyaien]
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Who subsidizes monastic Zen retreats? Is it a private collection that respect the laws of the retreat owner? Are there abuses such as Do as I say not as I do?
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: Booby]
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Booby said:
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Quoiyaien said: Here I am, on acid again... I really odnt know why I am posting her but this is where my mousebuttin seamed to lead me. Can you do to much acid? I only took one hit (incredibly potent), but I am referring to frequency of trips. Every 3 or 4 days now it seems, is this bad? Oh well, whatever, I totally forgot the main reason I came here, but ill try and wing it. Fuck it I dont remember..
Have you tried the meditation experiment on shrooms? Was there a difference?
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Where did you find that quote of mine? I looked but I just cant remember when I posted that. You mind pm'ing me the link?
I havent had the chance to try the experiment with shrooms as the opportunity hasnt arisen yet.
Peace 
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: Quoiyaien]
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: Quoiyaien]
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Lama Anagarika Govinda - a man whose work I based my doctoral dissertation on and whom I corresponded with briefly - wrote an intro to Leary et al. The Psychedelic Experience. Elsewhere he said that even his 10 hour meditations didn't really reveal to him what LSD revealed to him. He went on to write other fabulous books. If psychedelics are regarded as mere intoxicants then classic forms of Buddhism rejects them. Buddha is often shown holding a 'medicine bowl.' I like to think that it holds "Moksha Medicine" in the form of psychedelics.
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I have always compared psychedelic use for spiritual advancement to an unknown short cut when driving. Although the short cut might shorten the time required, the path is less known and it is easy to get lost. One starts out using psychedelics for spiritual advancement, but can easily loose their way and end up using spiritual advancement as an excuse to continue using psychedelics. To me, this is the danger of the short cut (psychedelic use).
I have only taken LSD a couple of times, and it has changed my life more than any single experience I can remember, other than an abusive teacher I had in elementary school. I wouldn't claim that psychedelics brought me enlightenment, but they certainly opened my mind to experience that transcends duality. I went from a hardcore atheist to the embodiment of faith in the blink of an eye.
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: Quoiyaien]
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If you can't trust yourself and your own inner wisdom then you should follow whoever and whatever.
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: Icelander]
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You just shattered my mirror! 
Thank you for that.
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: Quoiyaien]
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Sometimes I am thinking that from a nondualist state there must be some breakthrough materials which are like the experience of wholeness. I mean the Divine will shine through since all is one.
I mean without certain chemical reactions I never would have considered the path believable enough to start. I was a monk for a year and it was great for meditataion.
What is ordination? Do you mean taking refuge? You don't have to take all five vows automatically.
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: Quoiyaien]
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I figured it out! The reason I am having so much difficulty with this is because I am thinking either drugs or no drugs, lumping all drugs into the same category. I smoke pot everyday, and for some reason I have it in my head that if I stop toking, I have to quit psychedelics. I realized now that this makes no sense. I have to quit, plain and simple. I cant effectively sit when stoned as I find it clouds things over too much, making everything seem dull. Also, it is very difficult to work on my dreaming practices when I go to bed stoned. Less pot, more sitting!
I don't think I am ready to enter into the monastery yet. I am still receiving teachings, and I still get to study under a great master, so I see no rush. The path of least resistance leads directly to the way of the entheogen, and I seem to be less willing to give up psychedelics, than I am willing to enter the monastery. That was easy. It only took a year to figure it out
I still would like to move into a monastery, but right now it just doesnt feel right. I am going to sit as much as possible, and attend every possible sesshin that I can, while "supplementing" my practice with monthly doses of Psychedelics. This feels like a great decision. Its like the whole universe just relaxed a little 
I'm gonna go smoke some Salvia!
Peace 

EDIT: I just got an email from my teacher, and he said that cutting out pot would be enough to apply as a formal student. This is great fucking news as he is cool with my continuing to take psychedelics. He is going to moniter my practice extra closely, and if he sees my practice getting twisted, he will advise me to stop. It now seems clear as hell that pot is the problem, not the hallucinogens. Oh happy day!
Edited by Quoiyaien (08/19/06 08:56 PM)
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: Quoiyaien]
#5980463 - 08/19/06 11:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey...if it's any consolation...I was gonna enter a Catholic monastery! That was something I seriously struggled with for some 3 years. I met monks, had an invitation to the Trappists (Cistercians) in Colorado, Franciscans, Cappucians. One day, I woke up and the burden was lifted. What was I thinking? I love women and I do not love authority.
Hey, today I listened to Gregorian chants in my study while reading a tome on Gnosticism. Florida sunshine streamed in through four stained-glass panels. Tibetan incensed fragranced the whole house. My Lady worked in another room. I was free to read, contemplate, enjoy Saturday without obligation. I made the right decision - 30 years ago.
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: Quoiyaien]
#5980628 - 08/20/06 12:58 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Its great to hear that you have realized what you wish to do with yourself, pertaining to that decision! It is also interesting to read the decision that your teacher made.
It sounds like everything worked itself out. It seems as though you have an opportunity to demonstrate that occasional psychadelic usage is not a detriment to one's path, and he seems clearly interested in observing your practice to discover this.
I'm not sure if I mentioned it before, but the second time I dosed the mandala acid, I had the psychadelic experience. I could not begin to describe it, and have made a conscious decision to not elaborate any further about it with anyone but my girlfriend (who shared the experience sober), as it is incredibly personal, and transcended any traditional view of reality (but was confirmed by her). I am very thankful for the opportunity. 
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Quote:
fireworks_god said:
I'm not sure if I mentioned it before, but the second time I dosed the mandala acid, I had the psychadelic experience.
 Peace.
Welcome to the other side. Quite the experience, no? 
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: Quoiyaien]
#5981221 - 08/20/06 11:26 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Often the choice to force ourselves into a system -any system- is an egoic, and not an enlightened decision. I read a quote this morning that the difficulties on our path are not bad, but they force us to accept our limitations as students, that is, the realization of our imperfections, so we do not develop a 'deva complex.' That is, so we do not think we are more perfect than we actually are. It is easy, when we are not confronting our difficulties to think that we are more evolved than we are. So these difficulties are the true touchstones for our ego to recognize that we do need to follow a path. Thus neccessitating true humility and not some artificial state of assumed perfection.
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Re: Psychedelic dilemma [Re: eve69]
#5981881 - 08/20/06 04:42 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you can get acid, don't quit dude, their is so many that would like to be in your shoes, acid is a rarity in my parts, zen teachers and teachers holding sessions of obsure arts are dime a dozen,
its like the bros over the hoes type thing, you want to be real, and go with the bros, but you know the fun is in the hoes, and the bros will always be their, so pick the acid ho
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