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Is God--???
    #5382335 - 03/09/06 05:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yesterday, I had a conversation with a friend of mine. He asked, is God jealous of anything? I nodded my head in disbelief. I said, I don't know. I thought to myself everyone has a good side, as well as an dark side--aka-persona. I'd like know your input.

Thanks!
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Re: Is God--??? [Re: silver22]
    #5382379 - 03/09/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

God is not anthropomorphic, so I'd say no. However, defining God as immanent-transcendent, then it appears that He does experience jealousy (since we experience it), however it is just the illusion thereof since we fail to realize that Tat vam asi (That art thou!)


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Re: Is God--??? [Re: silver22]
    #5382731 - 03/09/06 07:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Only the ones who don't understand are being jealous.
So, God created all, it's much more then understanding it. So I think that He doesn't. Even if He understands it.


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Re: Is God--??? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #5382776 - 03/09/06 07:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Exodus 20:4-5 says "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God"


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Re: Is God--??? [Re: goatboy7]
    #5382931 - 03/09/06 08:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The question should not be so much as "does God experience jealousy" but HOW God experiences jealousy.

God is infinite, He is ALL possibilities.

An example of ONE way He can experience jealously is through us when we are jealous.

Since the one spirit moves through us (as well as everything else) he experiences our experiences as well as our emotions.
Just one of the reasons why he loves us so much.


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Re: Is God--??? [Re: silver22]
    #5385004 - 03/10/06 10:15 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for all your input. I'd like to probe this question a little further with another question my friend then challenged me with, are God and the devil the same person? My response, I don't know? So venture a little further into your mind and let me know what you think?

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Re: Is God--??? [Re: silver22]
    #5385027 - 03/10/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'm currently deep in consideration as to whether or not my dog and my ferret are the same person. I think such a pondering has just as many profound implications.



Wait, wait, wait.... hold da phone. I just found a resolution to my question. It turns out that dogs and ferrets aren't people, so they can't be the same person. :wink:

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Re: Is God--??? [Re: silver22]
    #5385106 - 03/10/06 10:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

there is no labeled soul..


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Re: Is God--??? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5385141 - 03/10/06 10:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

fireworks_god said:
I'm currently deep in consideration as to whether or not my dog and my ferret are the same person. I think such a pondering has just as many profound implications.

Wait, wait, wait.... hold da phone. I just found a resolution to my question. It turns out that dogs and ferrets aren't people, so they can't be the same person. :wink:

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:




Cute!  No, dogs and ferrets aren't people.  Maybe, if you were the creator, you could give me the answer I'm seeking or somewhere in its direction.  Thank-God for phones-ehh!  Yes, thinking can have many implications. 

How much do you know about one's persona?  Then I tied in the second question.  I'm pondering that at the moment???  Thanks for your say!

:cool:  :peace:


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Re: Is God--??? [Re: silver22]
    #5385437 - 03/10/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

depends how you define God


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Re: Is God--??? [Re: silver22]
    #5385470 - 03/10/06 12:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

moment!  It's snowing outside, like it does every Winter.  I just like to think and think and about questions that I have been asked and that I can't answer without referencing and/or quoting something--not that there is anything wrong with that.  I thank you all for your input.  Please keep on replying, I've liked what I have read.

:peace:  to all!


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Re: Is God--??? [Re: silver22]
    #5385542 - 03/10/06 01:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

God the Almighty--The Creator of Heaven and Earth, and everything we know as what we know...

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Re: Is God--??? [Re: silver22]
    #5385756 - 03/10/06 02:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

ive considered this also. im theist and raised christian. but from waht i heard jealousy and rage and "bad" emotions. god being perfect shouldnt be subject to jealousy, rage, lonliness, etc.

so why is he described that way?


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Re: Is God--??? [Re: silver22]
    #5386189 - 03/10/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The Bible quote offered by goatboy7 describes YHVH as a "jealous God," but one has to grok the agenda and the historical period that each Biblical book was written in. Moreover, one has to get that in earlier periods, YHVH had the nature of a tribal deity, a mountain god on Sinai, and only later with the exposure to Greek thought did this Hebrew tribal god assume the status of the Universal Deity. We moderns see the later form only, but originally it was no so.

Moreover, the Literalist mentality that insists that the Bible is the Word of God is a mentality that has to be looked at carefully. It is an assumption that gives absolute validity and authority to the writings, despite the many translations and failure of moderns to interpret ancient meanings correctly. The Hebrews wrote 'midrashically' - a story format intended to convey a spiritual truth. They were not intended to be historically accurate portrayals, neither were they intended to be literal affirmations of the nature of the Divine 'personality.' Such affirmation is both presumptuous and idolatrous. The Hebrew prophets of YHVH prophesied with regard to what course of action the tribes should take. In doing so, YHVH was 'portrayed' with Human attributes. He could not be depicted, but attributes could be named. The same thing is true of 'The 99 Names of Allah' in Islam. Muslim Literalists will take this literally, Muslim Gnostics will regard the transcendence of God to defy description. God is Mystery. Common sense should reveal to people that personification was (and is) necessary to spiritual children, young or old.


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Re: Is God--??? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5388576 - 03/11/06 09:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Ever wonder if "God" is simply the engine, the computer, running the universe? Then there would be almighty creators (plural) who manage the system.


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Re: Is God--??? [Re: silver22]
    #5389098 - 03/11/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

this is however a flase dilemma since it does not consider the posibility that there is no god.

and if you do believe in god, who is to say he is of an emotional level as we are. maybe he is above all that bull... he is almighty isnt he? :shrug:
but them again, he must be very emotional, the old testament sounds horrible! hes probably all emotion n shit... emos are true followers of god :thumbup:

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Re: Is God--??? [Re: silver22]
    #5396417 - 03/13/06 07:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

This question blew my mind, it got my wheels turning!!!  Thanks!!!
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Re: Is God--??? [Re: LazyCrash]
    #5397868 - 03/14/06 05:35 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I think your question has been asked for millennia (except "computer" was thought of as 'mind'). That is why there ARE Names of God! In the Genesis account, the Divine Name 'Elohim' is used prior to creation, and then YHVH is used after creation. Elohim is both plural and has a feminine ending. Very early on, before patriarchy became ascendent, God was 'Father-Mother' not just Father to humanity (earlier still in history, the Goddess ruled, and her male consort was secondary).

There are complex hierarchies in religions, with 'lesser' entities running things. In medieval Christianity, the theologian known as Dionysus (or Denys) the Areopagite wrote 'The Divine Names' and 'The Celestial Hierarchy' which included things merely mentioned and hinted at in letters attributed to Paul in the NT: Seraphim, Cherubim, Thrones, Dominions (or Dominations), Powers, Principalities, Archangels, Angels. Sub-categories like the Ophanim (Eye-ball covered wheels-within-wheels from prophet Ezekiel's vision) were included. All these entities had cosmic functions like members of a royal court. Hinduism and Buddhism have their entities as well. Islam has its demons, Jinn (genies), archangels and angels. Lesser entities have been 'invented' often enough so as not to compromise the monotheistic character of Deity.


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Re: Is God--??? [Re: LazyCrash]
    #5400773 - 03/14/06 07:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

God's Arch Angel was Lucifer--as some of us have learn--Lucifer is the Devil. stuns me!
:peace: out!


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