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agoutihead


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Jeremy Narby
#5381835 - 03/09/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I just breezed through his cosmic serpent Q and A on deoxy.com... and i remember him from the symposium.
I only heard what he had to say when there were multiple speakers... i did not pick his seminar to attend because i did not know who he was.
I really wish i would have been to his entire seminar.
After hearing him talking just a little bit... that guy is amazing and has some incredible ideas.
Has anyone read any of his books?
-------------------- "When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert "Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye." "Experience the liquid realm..." "The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann
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Kerr
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Yup I have read Cosmic Serpent, my library has it actually, a great book To tell you the truth I havent read it for a couple years now, I think I may go and check that one out again, thanks for bringing it up
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Re: Jeremy Narby [Re: Kerr]
#5382438 - 03/09/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Its probably my favorite book about hallucinogens. On day people will catch on to what he was talking about.
Id imagine some of what he says is hard to believe or hard to really understand unless you know those things to be true already. I read it after my first ayahuasca experience and felt like the book was reading the ideas in my head that ayahuasca taught me and spitting them back out at me. I dont think there is anything more interesting to "experience" first hand, than the true nature of genetics and the human body. The body and mind are both great teachers. The smartest almost inherently divine entities within us have much to do with the double helix.
interesting note : Dennis Mckenna and his team recently proved(in a lab after years of trial and error) that lsd changes the way that dna acts directly on cognition. Its a hell of an idea to wrap your head around, and even harder to read about, and understand how and why that is.
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badchad
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Re: Jeremy Narby [Re: stemmer]
#5382472 - 03/09/06 06:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
stemmer said:
interesting note : Dennis Mckenna and his team recently proved(in a lab after years of trial and error) that lsd changes the way that dna acts directly on cognition. Its a hell of an idea to wrap your head around, and even harder to read about, and understand how and why that is.
Any chance you could link, or find me the article. I find it difficult to believe anyone could prove cognitive thoughts can effect the structure of our DNA. I searched pubmed, and didn't find much.
-------------------- ...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge. It is an indellible experience; it is forever known. I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did. Smith, P. Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27. ...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely. Osmond, H. Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436
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Re: Jeremy Narby [Re: badchad]
#5382596 - 03/09/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ill try to find the link.
More importantly, what I said was "that lsd changes the way that dna acts directly on cognition".
That means that dna acts directly on cognition anyways. It changes the way our mind synchronizes with the dna. The blueprint becomes more complex, but never actually changed. It does not alter the dna in other words.
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Re: Jeremy Narby [Re: stemmer]
#5382629 - 03/09/06 07:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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it kinda sucks that the old article is gone. But here is the abstract:
LSD in the Mammalian Brain:
The exciting new technologies of functional genomics were used in this study to determine how LSD influences genetic expression within the prefrontal cortex, considered to be the seat of consciousness, within the brain. The investigators have shown that LSD modulates the expression of genes encoding for proteins that alter how neurons communicate with each other. Many of the genes and proteins increased by LSD are involved in synaptic plasticity, which is the underlying process for learning and memory. Thus LSD and other hallucinogens may provide vital clues to understanding these fundamental thought processes. The first preliminary study identifying these genes has been completed and the results published in two prominant neuroscience journals. A second study, currently in press in another journal, identified a novel arrestin-like gene that is regulated by LSD. This is a previously undiscovered gene, and has been named "Induced by Lysergic Acid Diethylamide-1" or ILAD-1 for short. The function of this gene and how LSD modulates its expression may lead to new insights into how serotonin receptors transmit signals within neurons. Location: Vanderbilt University. Principal Investigators: Drs. Charles D. Nichols, Ph.D., and Elaine Sanders-Bush, Ph.D.
All this and more can be found at http://www.heffter.org/
You might even be able to find the original article.
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badchad
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Re: Jeremy Narby [Re: stemmer]
#5382644 - 03/09/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Okay, stated that way, it makes more sense.
The more interesting question would be what these changes are, and whether they were specific for LSD.
For example studies using gene-chip arrays (e.g. : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query...=pubmed_DocSum)
-------------------- ...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge. It is an indellible experience; it is forever known. I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did. Smith, P. Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27. ...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely. Osmond, H. Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436
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agoutihead


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Re: Jeremy Narby [Re: stemmer]
#5382658 - 03/09/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Im going to have to get narby's book... im going to do a search for him and the book now.
-------------------- "When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert "Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye." "Experience the liquid realm..." "The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann
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