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Re: Thelema? [Re: Taco Chef]
    #5386882 - 03/10/06 06:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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novumorganum said:
hey, I'm in south florida too!

well, Regardie's opinion on AC changed dramatically, after time had passed. Much of his later writing bears this out, most notably The Eye in the Triangle.

I question his "failure" as a human being and such. There are newer, more scholarly biographies of the great beast (Do What thou Wilt, and Perdurabo)which make this a much more complex question than the "most evil man alive" jibe that used mostly tabloid and spurned suitors as source material. I in no way want to white wash this very complex individual, but in no way should we just paint him with the brush of invective.

As for his attainments of 5=6 and other grades, well the works produced have to speak as much as any life activity, no?

oh, and one last point, the spheres above tiph carry other attributes, and attaining to them, would thus mean the development of other traits in an individual? I would imagine 5 geburah in this conjecture




Look man I live in Britain right thinking people don't take the "Daily Express" seriously anymore.
But could he write poetry?


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"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""


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Re: Thelema? [Re: Taco Chef]
    #5386892 - 03/10/06 06:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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novumorganum said:
hey, I'm in south florida too!

well, Regardie's opinion on AC changed dramatically, after time had passed. Much of his later writing bears this out, most notably The Eye in the Triangle.

I question his "failure" as a human being and such. There are newer, more scholarly biographies of the great beast (Do What thou Wilt, and Perdurabo)which make this a much more complex question than the "most evil man alive" jibe that used mostly tabloid and spurned suitors as source material. I in no way want to white wash this very complex individual, but in no way should we just paint him with the brush of invective.

As for his attainments of 5=6 and other grades, well the works produced have to speak as much as any life activity, no?

oh, and one last point, the spheres above tiph carry other attributes, and attaining to them, would thus mean the development of other traits in an individual? I would imagine 5 geburah in this conjecture




Ah! But these are stages of integration not development surely?


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"Odrade read the word silently and then aloud.
"Arafel."
She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""


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Re: Thelema? [Re: Silverwolf]
    #5386985 - 03/10/06 06:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hi silverwolfe...the first part of that thread wasn't directed at you..sorry but any cross currents.

hey ever run into any of the typhonian/grant guys around london?


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Re: Thelema? [Re: Silverwolf]
    #5386992 - 03/10/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry, that was unclear. Please re-phrase.


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Re: Thelema? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5386996 - 03/10/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Sweet! I am currently setting up my alter. I have been doing a pentagram ritual, 4 adorations and 3 yoga sessions a day now for about 2 months.


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Re: Thelema? [Re: EarthDroid]
    #5387035 - 03/10/06 07:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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NemoLotus said:
Sweet! I am currently setting up my alter. I have been doing a pentagram ritual, 4 adorations and 3 yoga sessions a day now for about 2 months.





Ah "inflame thyself with prayer" !


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"Arafel."
She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""


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Re: Thelema? [Re: Taco Chef]
    #5387047 - 03/10/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Hi silverwolfe...the first part of that thread wasn't directed at you..sorry but any cross currents.

hey ever run into any of the typhonian/grant guys around london?




Don't hang with the Crowleyians much anymore, "Typhonian" (re; "The Thypon struggle" yes?) "Grant" who? No.


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"Odrade read the word silently and then aloud.
"Arafel."
She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""


Edited by Silverwolf (03/10/06 07:15 PM)


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Re: Thelema? [Re: Silverwolf]
    #5390697 - 03/11/06 11:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i'm not a thelemite but i do enjoy crowley. i find him entertaining and enlightening at the same time. i like that about him.

the book of lies is an artistic masterpiece.

i think there is alot of good points in the thelemic philosophy too. but like another poster said, i don't like lables.


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Re: Thelema? [Re: Shnezbit]
    #5391874 - 03/12/06 12:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

nice to meet you. love the baph!


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Re: Thelema? [Re: Taco Chef]
    #5392280 - 03/12/06 03:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"As above, so below"


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"Odrade read the word silently and then aloud.
"Arafel."
She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""


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Re: Thelema? [Re: Silverwolf]
    #5392739 - 03/12/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Does anyone on here read any Kenneth Grant? I know some of his ideas are often looked down upon by Thelemites, but I think he's a pretty great writer.


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Re: Thelema? [Re: goatboy7]
    #5393049 - 03/12/06 07:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i enjoy grant as well. the nightside of eden is a great book. the only thing with grant though is alot of his theories are seriously flawed. often he'll base several pages of writing on gamatria that is incoerrect. i enjoy grant more for entertainment value rather than scholorship.


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Re: Thelema? [Re: Shnezbit]
    #5394814 - 03/13/06 10:57 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I enjoy Grant as well, but I have a problem with his "creative gematria". Check out Alan Moore's review of Grant in Kaos 14 (www.biroco.com)


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Re: Thelema? [Re: Taco Chef]
    #5396157 - 03/13/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

cool.

if you haven't had a chance to check this out then do. its got some godd interviews on podcast.

they interview achad's son, duquette, some guy about goetic evocation and lot of others.

http://www.thelemacoasttocoast.com/

also this site has some cool stuff. from here i got kenneath angers films:

http://www.media-underground.net/

but that site is under construction i think for the time being.


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Re: Thelema? [Re: Shnezbit]
    #5399837 - 03/14/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

93
cool thanks for the links, very cool

93/93

sigi funny too!


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Re: Thelema? [Re: Taco Chef]
    #5400207 - 03/14/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks :cool:

That quote is from the sub genius, book 2 i think....the opening page if i remember right.

Yea, i really enjoyed the #21 podcast where he interviews the writer of red flame about his  Grady biography. I wanna get the 2 volumes, and the rest of the red flames look cool too. i'll probably get 'em all eventually.

Check out these two links and you can read a really good detailed synopsis of the Grady bio.

http://www.redflame93.com/RF12.html

http://www.redflame93.com/RF13.html

That guy  rocked! I especially like the part about how he would visit Crowley in between fighting WWII. He was there on D-day and almost got killed twice. I can't wait to read the books.


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Re: Thelema? [Re: Shnezbit]
    #5400425 - 03/14/06 06:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yeah...grady has been the victim of far too many character assaults and empty slander; i'm glad his story is being told outside the order.


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