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OfflineJayBin
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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Murple]
    #538108 - 02/01/02 08:41 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

If its a bacterial infection could i drink like a hard alcohol to kill it? It pretty stupid idea but i was wondering if that would help to kill it off.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #538112 - 02/01/02 09:05 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

alcy? well it couldent hurt(i think) either way itd make your situation more *fun* :smile: stay up


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #538294 - 02/02/02 02:34 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

When I went thru my shit I was the same way!!

-Please, be carefull with any alcohol/drugs. It's very easy to OD (experence) drinking/druging to kill this type of pain.-

We all love to party, but......


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #538354 - 02/02/02 04:21 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I really sympathize with your bad luck seeing the docs. I've been through it with docs and dentists. Too tired to go into detail, I had to see about 8 docs before I found one who could help me, and 3 dentists once when my face swelled up with the most intense pain (dead tooth, it turned out)

There's a LOT of not so good profesionals out there. More than I even care to consider. Keep looking. Someone has the answer, I know it.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #538636 - 02/02/02 03:10 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I found something!!!!!

In The Mushroom Cultivater, there is a huge section on contamination. Check this out!!!!

Page 273

CRYPTOCOCCUS

Common Names...The yellowish brown yeast, the carcinogenic yeast

Macroscopic appearance: A spherical yeast not forming a pseudomycelium, encapsulated by a cream to brown colored mucus.

Medical implications: ...causes a deadly disease in animals and humans called cryptococcocis, otherwise known as "Torula meningitis" or "yeast meningitis". This yeast attacks and reproduces in the central nervous system, particularly in the brain and spinal fluid. SYMPTOMS BEGIN WITH A STIFF NECK AND HEADACHE and end in total or partial blindness, paralysis, coma and RESPITORY FAILURE. Less sever symptoms occur in other parts of the body, for which there is a better chance of recovery. It is believed that airborne spores are inhaled, entering the body via the lungs...

...In 1979 one of the containment buildings at the Tennessee Clinch River Breeder Reactor project had to be quarintined because of a massive outbreak of Cryptococcus neoformans...
(end quote)

So there it is in black and white, what are they teaching these doctors anyways??? How to be a high priced authority figure but not know anything??? They think their soooo smart.

God bless you, I'm praying for you.
Peace bro...


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: carbonhoots]
    #538705 - 02/02/02 04:40 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Better hope its NOT what the dude above thinks it is but check this out...
If your still feeling bad and you havent been quarantined by ACDC (not the band moron Atlanta Center for Disease Control) yet go find a doc that specializes in holistic medicine they'll take you more seriously about huffing the contamed jars and probably hook you up with a good antigen.



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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Billyblastoff]
    #538717 - 02/02/02 04:59 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, holistic healers are the shit. They cured my tendenitis!

It's probably not cryptococcosis, I just meant that the doctors are probably out to lunch with they're "it's not possible" thing.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: carbonhoots]
    #538901 - 02/02/02 11:13 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I think that yor on to something too. After doing a little online research I have discovered the descriptions of this deadly fungus seems very similaur to what I have seen growing on containamated cakes before. In fact this shit will grow on agar and birdseed (I'm sure rice too). Here is a link that has more info on the killer fungus.

http://www.mycology.adelaide.edu.au/mycology/myco.nsf/d107e9d14f09cd59692565a30044d2b6/385c33f04c2346b1292567200072c3cf?OpenDocument

I swear people: I have seem some brown shit growing on cakes before that look exactly like this stuff. And the symtoms described is exactly what a couple of us have gone thru here! It's described as being fatal. (I surely thought that I was going to die)

One solution to finding out what it is is to order some kind of test kit. There is a company in Canada that sells a fungial test kit for the fatal strains. (lost the link, sorry)


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #538905 - 02/02/02 11:18 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Here is the pic of this deadly fungus growing on birdseed agar:


Look up at the top/upper right (C. neoformans)
That stuff looks very much like what I have seen on containmated BR cakes before.

The size of the spore is right in line with that of chemical warfare agents. Your sinuses are not likely to filter this one out. (some scary shit indeed)


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Jammer]
    #538942 - 02/03/02 12:36 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I am on antiboitics. I take 3 pills of Amoxicillin every day. That should kill any bacteria right? My contamination did not look like that. It was more yellow than that, there was no brown. Some people said it was just mycelium disscharge, but it wasnt. My throat hurts pretty bad when i swallow and my neck still hurts.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #538946 - 02/03/02 12:44 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I think that the concences is that it could very well be a fungus- not baterial. If it is a fungus, Amoxicillin wont help. As I recall thats exactly what the doc gave me for my symtoms. I try to post the link of a perscription drug thats known to work on fungus infections.

Also, there are at least 4 diferent types of the fungus at issue here. One description was was of a yellow looking liquid.

Also the pic that I posted is of a strain that's not known to be in North America for the most part. I believe that you have perhaps another variation of this. If it was really bactierial/virus infection the Amoxicillin would take care of it in a week or so.

' hope that you feel better.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #538984 - 02/03/02 02:17 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

You might want to disregard my comment about Cryptococcus neoformans var. gattii not being in North America. There are references to it being found on Trees in California. Also, given the nature of the spore business who is to say tha a print could not be contanamted from another country. From what I have found out the fungus is extremely widespread in Australia.

Here is a Canadian link for Fungus Test Kits.

http://www.discovery-diagnostics.com/immy.html


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Jammer]
    #539020 - 02/03/02 03:24 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

This crypt-o-crap-ass stuff is a YEAST not a fungus.
There's a difference right?


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: carbonhoots]
    #539037 - 02/03/02 03:40 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Good question.

Here is how one site defines yeast:

Yeasts
Yeasts are fungi that grow as single cells, producing daughter cells either by budding (the budding yeasts) or by binary fission (the fission yeasts). They differ from most fungi, which grow as thread-like hyphae. But this distinction is not a fundamental one, because some fungi can alternate between a yeast phase and a hyphal phase, depending on environmental conditions. Such fungi are termed dimorphic (with two shapes) and they include several that cause disease of humans.

Here we consider several examples of yeasts and dimorphic fungi:

the common baker's yeast, Saccharomyces cerevisiae
the genus Cryptococcus, which includes C. neoformans, a pathogen of humans
the dimorphic fungus Candida albicans which can be a significant pathogen of humans
some of the common leaf surface yeasts.

Here is where I found this info:
http://helios.bto.ed.ac.uk/bto/microbes/yeast.htm



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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to E [Re: carbonhoots]
    #539039 - 02/03/02 03:44 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Carbonhoots:

Yeasts are defintatly a branch of the fungus family tree.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: carbonhoots]
    #539041 - 02/03/02 03:46 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Good biology lesson.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Jammer]
    #539048 - 02/03/02 03:58 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Gotta hop in here. . .interesting thread, and I very much hope for a full recovery. I've also [stupidly] smelled questionable growth and gotten light headed and woozy for a few hours afterward...

But there's little chance this is a C. neoformans infection. I'd say no chance. I have some clinical bacteriology lab experience, and every fungal culture we got would first be grown at room temperature. This is, among other things, a safety precaution. Some organisms LIKE C. neoformans only morph into the infectious stage at higher incubation temperatures, namely 37 C [read that, mammalian body temperature]. It's kinda cool actually; it grows mycelium-like at room temperature, and only transforms into its 'yeast-stage' at 37. To identify it, we would take a look at suspect room temp. fuzzy growth. . .if it looked a certain way, we would then very carefully subculture and secure the plate and put it in the 37C+elevated CO2. If it were a dimorphic fungus like neoformans, it wouldn't grow fuzzy, it would be mucoid/wet, like the above pic.

So basically, unless they were incubated much too hot AND you managed to get an environmentally rare yeast into your mix. . .AND are somewhat immunocompromised; The weight of evidence points toward anaphylaxis--which could have been deadly, but likely much sooner after sniffing. Or a secondary source, i.e. you just happen to get sick at the same time. But hey, I don't want to play doctor here, I just know it isn't that easy to accidentally cultivate neoformans.. . shit, I think in 20 years at that lab they grew it three times total.

THIS IS A LINK YOU SHOULD ABSOLUTELY CHECK OUT, the CDC is quite good at identifying suspect contaminants [for a fee] but are also quite available to confer with you on the phone about suspect sniffings:

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/mdb/labreference.htm

The last paragraph on that page sounds like it might be of use to this forum.

Here's another link to some pretty good CDC info on the beast: for a really good time, do a search on any of the other dimorphic fungal diseases, preferably with pics :P

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol4no1/buchanan.htm

Growth In Vivo

To cause infection in humans, a C. neoformans isolate must grow at 37oC in an atmosphere of approximately 5% CO2 and at a pH of 7.3 to 7.4. To survive at 37oC, the organism must have an intact gene that encodes the C. neoformans calcineurin A catalytic subunit (10). Calcineurin is a serine-threonine specific phosphatase that is activated by Ca2+-calmodulin and is involved in stress responses in yeasts (10). Although calcineurin A mutant strains of C. neoformans can grow at 24oC, they cannot survive in vitro at 37oC, in 5% CO2, or at alkaline pH (10). Since these are similar to conditions in the host, one would predict that the calcineurin A mutant would not survive in the human host. In support of that prediction, Odom et al. have shown that such mutants are not pathogenic for immunosuppressed rabbits (10). Calcineurin A appears to be a basic requirement for C. neoformans survival in the host and consequently is a necessary factor for the pathogenicity of the organism.



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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to E [Re: carbonhoots]
    #539054 - 02/03/02 04:10 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I sure as hell hope that isn't what Jaybin's got. However, the symptoms he has described (esp the stiff neck and headache) really do remind me of when I had a central nervous system infection (lymes disease in my case).


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to E [Re: yellowshark]
    #539060 - 02/03/02 04:24 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

you all assume that it was the discolered mold that caused his sickness, but it was most likely bacteria that was also in the jar..especially since his condition improved after taking antibiotics.
youll be ok dude...just take your meds.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to E [Re: fresh357]
    #539191 - 02/03/02 11:36 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

My jars were kept at like 90 degree at times. They were B+ and i wanted to speed the colonization. I think the Amoxicillin is working and killing it off. I am still in bad pain at times. I mailed that site about the fungal indentification. I told them what happened, but i dont have pics. THANKS FOR THE HELP! Will see what happens in the next few days.

The fungal indentifcation people should mail me back in a few days to help me out.


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